So with all the trading of picks/players/U17's do we still need to do a minimum of 3 players in the the draft?

If so it looks like it would be pick 4, Viney and maybe rookie upgrade for Nicholson?

Both Nicho and Evans will be upgraded i believe...

Yes I believe we need to take another pick outside 4 and Viney but perhaps you are right boydie - perhaps Nicho and Evans being upgraded is included...

Yes I believe we need to take another pick outside 4 and Viney but perhaps you are right boydie - perhaps Nicho and Evans being upgraded is included...

Doesn't the pick 58 we got from the filth count?

Doesn't the pick 58 we got from the filth count?

Yes, we are just saying that we don't have to use that pick in the draft as one of the three required picks. We believe rookie elevations are included.

back on track ... I think Jordie Gysberts will stay unless we can get a sub 35 pick for him.

He has the ability. mental application & intensity needed.

Why is everyone saying Evans and Nicho to be upgraded?

Is their any source for this?

Nicho has to be upgraded or delisted, i believe he will be upgraded

I thought that evans could be kept for another year on the rookie list as an interstate rookie?

Do we really expect much development of Gysberts (or any other mid) with Royal as midfield coach?

Nail on head.

Watson and Kennedy were both tall inside mids who were or nearly were traded early in their careers because they didn't work hard enough and their skills were not up to scratch. I am not saying that Gysberts will be as good as either but they are of similar style.

I saw his and Blease early pre-season work and their efforts were embarrassing. The penny dropped with Blease and he had continuity of games to show his improvement. Its hard to tell with Gysbert due to injury interruptions whether the same has occurred.

If we think we can rectify his alleged attitude to hard work then he is well worth persevering with. He should not be traded just for the hell of it.

Nail on head.

I also don't have a particularly high opinion of Royal, the coach. He was a great footballer.However, given Neeld's relentless attempts to improve our playing list, would he not get rid of Royal (or any other coach) who he thought was not performing well?I know that our mids have been poor, but is this because of Royal or other factors?

The club has done a magnificent job in the trade period, but to offload Gysberts for anything less than a first round pick or at least an cemented senior player would be a little pre-mature. Gysberts just may turn out to be am a-grade player. It really is too early to tell.

Gysberts is definitely a keep at this stage, especially with the emphasis on talls lately we need his services in the middle.

Talent is like a brain; absolutely useless unless used or combined with old fashioned G & D.

We have too much of the former, and the Gys is one of them.

Watson and Kennedy were both tall inside mids who were or nearly were traded early in their careers because they didn't work hard enough and their skills were not up to scratch. I am not saying that Gysberts will be as good as either but they are of similar style.

I saw his and Blease early pre-season work and their efforts were embarrassing. The penny dropped with Blease and he had continuity of games to show his improvement. Its hard to tell with Gysbert due to injury interruptions whether the same has occurred.

If we think we can rectify his alleged attitude to hard work then he is well worth persevering with. He should not be traded just for the hell of it.

For all of his faults, I too would like to see if the penny can drop with this guy.

Build a body to match his height, build endurance to match AFL footy, and develop a hunger to be the best he can be, and there's definitely a quality player waiting to emerge despite some shortcomings in his game.

I also don't have a particularly high opinion of Royal, the coach. He was a great footballer.However, given Neeld's relentless attempts to improve our playing list, would he not get rid of Royal (or any other coach) who he thought was not performing well?I know that our mids have been poor, but is this because of Royal or other factors?

Neeld was a Mid Field coach of a premiership team, so he would know if Brian Royal was not up to the job. He has already stated that the coaching team is not changing.

It would be great to hear from Gys. A top draft pick who had injury issues this year. With everyone doubting his commitment.

What's his plan for the next year? Is the fire in the belly? How hard is he planning to work to get up to standard?

Really think the club should give Gys an opportunity to put his side forward.

Cause right now there's a lot of speculation about him not wanting to be at our club.

He is a skinny inside mid with no real pace or other weapons. Something needs to change for him to become a senior AFL footballer.

It would be great to hear from Gys. A top draft pick who had injury issues this year. With everyone doubting his commitment.

What's his plan for the next year? Is the fire in the belly? How hard is he planning to work to get up to standard?

Really think the club should give Gys an opportunity to put his side forward.

Cause right now there's a lot of speculation about him not wanting to be at our club.

The fact he hasn't, or the club hasn't released a "fluff piece" about his plans for next year, would indicate that he may not be in the plans for next year.

For all of his faults, I too would like to see if the penny can drop with this guy.

Build a body to match his height, build endurance to match AFL footy, and develop a hunger to be the best he can be, and there's definitely a quality player waiting to emerge despite some shortcomings in his game.

Agree. But will it happen?

Neeld was a Mid Field coach of a premiership team, so he would know if Brian Royal was not up to the job. He has already stated that the coaching team is not changing.

At the B&F Royal was signaled out on two occassions by midfield players. Can't recall any praise given to other coaches.

Neeld was a Mid Field coach of a premiership team, so he would know if Brian Royal was not up to the job. He has already stated that the coaching team is not changing.

Thats interesting. If true then it goes to show those who like to deflect from players underperforming and blame the coaches would be ummm wrong.

We see the end result of our poor midfield and the first to cop the punch is the coach. Royal is out of contract I believe (yes?) - if Neeld doesnt move him on then our ex premiership midfield coach obviously rates him - but what the hell would he know ?

At the B&F Royal was signaled out on two occassions by midfield players. Can't recall any praise given to other coaches.

Absolutely does my head in- posters with zero clue pot an assistant coach with no more insight than the midfield is not performing. Posters here see the end result and bam - whack the coach. You cant pull your socks up if you arent wearing any. Lay blame squarely where it should be laid - at the feet of underperforming footballers not assistant coaches.(let someone who knows, the senior coach, make the assessment on his assistants)

Anyone that thinks Gys deserves a 1st round pick in exchange isn't seeing how value is determined at market.

At the draft kids are picked nearly exclusively on potential. They will have exhibited the various skills and abilities over their junior journeys and arrive at combines and are ranked by those whose job it is. Are they drafted on what they can do or what the recruiters think they may do once brought into the AFL system ?

It has to be the latter almost exclusively as they are almost unaminously untried at a senior level. One word sums it up, POTENTIAL.

They are given "mystic" point values for potential. This value holds sway whilst all their actual proess is essentially hidden.

This adds to the sometime lotto effect of the draft. Some kids come on, some don't. Valuable draft picks are essentially pegged to educated guessing.

Once a kid enters the system and is unwrapped al is laid bare. The mystic value disappears and we are then able to see the real , raw recruit for what he is. After a little time a revaluation will occur as matter of course. A comparison of what the recruiters estimated will be put against what IS.

His mystic value was pick 11 , his real value at trade is effectively now that plus a round, yes folks he's worth no more than a mid second at very best. He's been overtaken in the potential valuations by the new kids. We now KNOW what he's done. All current values are/will be based on that.

We have a number of kids showing more. I'd take anyone's second rounder and roll the dice again.

Need to keep him there is too much up side. We have seen that he can play, he just needs to get his body right and he will be in our starting 22