On 11/10/2012 at 06:49, Red&BlueBlood said:

Def waste of a pick, ill say for the 1000's time on Demonland - should of gone for Darling!!

But in saying that he should of mad all this "extra effort" and put in the "extra sessions" before his career was on the line...

IMO We should offer him a 1 year contract and give him NAB cup time to show us he is better than the Casey reserves.

[censored] posting, Cook may not cut it, but i doubt you have any proof and i challenge you to prove to me that he did not "put the effort in" before a couple of weeks ago?

guy has had half the chances Watts got and weighs atleast the same or more being 2 years younger.

Poor form digging into a bloke while they are down imo

Geelong pulling out of Gysberts trade after snagging Caddy

  On 11/10/2012 at 22:18, Jonesbag said:

Geelong pulling out of Gysberts trade after snagging Caddy

Thanks Jonesbag. An actual post on topic, much appreciated.

Port no longer looking to pick up Russell and Brisbane now entering the race to secure Dawes.

Dawes has already said he doesn't want to go interstate as he is studying law at Melbourne Uni...it's out of the Dogs or the Dees

Brent Moloney's move to Brisbane, and Melbourne's acquisition of Shannon Byrnes means that Melbourne WILL NOT receive any compensation for losing the free agent.

Melbourne will only be compensated should Jared Rivers be picked up from a rival club via free agency.

  On 11/10/2012 at 22:37, Tall Defence said:

Port no longer looking to pick up Russell and Brisbane now entering the race to secure Dawes.

I'm really starting to think ol Brissie isn't that bright !!!!

  On 11/10/2012 at 22:57, wattsup said:

Brent Moloney's move to Brisbane, and Melbourne's acquisition of Shannon Byrnes means that Melbourne WILL NOT receive any compensation for losing the free agent.

Melbourne will only be compensated should Jared Rivers be picked up from a rival club via free agency.

Makes sense really. Also geelongs Mitch Brown is being put up for trade

  On 11/10/2012 at 22:57, wattsup said:

Brent Moloney's move to Brisbane, and Melbourne's acquisition of Shannon Byrnes means that Melbourne WILL NOT receive any compensation for losing the free agent.

Melbourne will only be compensated should Jared Rivers be picked up from a rival club via free agency.

Very bold statement.

I don't know if it is accurate though - it will depend on whether Moloney's salary at BL is high enough to put him in another 'band' to Byrnes. It will come down to the 'points' as Andersen alluded to but did not expand on.

  On 11/10/2012 at 22:57, wattsup said:

    Brent Moloney's move to Brisbane, and Melbourne's acquisition of Shannon Byrnes means that Melbourne WILL NOT receive any compensation for losing the free agent.

    

    Melbourne will only be compensated should Jared Rivers be picked up from a rival club via free agency.

Can you support this? Linky?

  On 11/10/2012 at 23:27, H_T said:

Can you support this? Linky?

Its at the bottom of this Emma Quayle article:

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/lions-make-late-bid-for-popular-pie-20121011-27foi.html

  On 11/10/2012 at 23:27, H_T said:

Can you support this? Linky?

it was on facebook afl draft and trading page, so not sure how accurate it is but they do just report everything from media

  On 11/10/2012 at 23:27, H_T said:

Can you support this? Linky?

What's to support . One in one out nett= 0

We get nothing. Only changes as stated if Jared goes. Pretty simple really

  On 11/10/2012 at 23:21, rpfc said:

Very bold statement.

Wit.

  On 11/10/2012 at 07:01, Moonshadow said:

I see your point Rolly, but that fwd line you suggest is not much better, if at all, than what we started with this season.

Try:

Byrnes, Dawes/Ped/Gumby, Silvia

Fitzy, Clark, Davey

With Jamar or Gawn drifting in as 3rd or 4th big.

Watts will stay in back line for time being, as will Sellar, Garland and Rivers (if they stay)

Howe will play more in midfield perhaps drifting fwd, swapping with Sylvia.

Out: Martin (trade), Green (ret), Jurrah (delist), Cook (delist).

Just a comment

Why do many consider Howe more for midfield when his jumping marking soaring ability could provide a point of difference to an attack and give real difficulty for opposition back men. Provides opportunity for crumbers if he is negated.Deep in the forward line Howe can really be effective within the right structure and provide a different option, especially for the basic long kick to the square. With Clarke Dawes/etc as the bulky contested space maker Howe could be the decoy.

With Watts as a mobile wing flank(back or forward) with good decision and delivery skills he could deliver to the best option

  On 11/10/2012 at 12:44, Munga said:

Dee-luded, i feel exactly the same. i miss the one on one contests as well. the congestion is killing it. I fear some people are mistaking desperate contested congested footy with good football. Desperation is great but those runs up the wing kicking to a one on one at CHF with a crumbing forward front and centre is what i miss. Or those classy chains of handballs out of defense and raking pass to a wingman running to space.

The current game is Mostly just blancmange.

You get the occasional game thats good but mostly its one dimensional scrapfest.

Not enough long bombs to contests.

Its the running power afforded by the rotations X with sports science thats allowing the coaches to choke up all the vacant spaces.

The coaches themselves, are killing the spectacle, by using the powers they have too defensively.

Its not worth the effort to go to the game anymore.

  On 11/10/2012 at 23:44, belzebub59 said:

What's to support . One in one out nett= 0

We get nothing. Only changes as stated if Jared goes. Pretty simple really

I know that, but I read somewhere concerning criteria used about the players. I could be wrong, but it works on a number of factors to the AFL's discretion. Including salaries/contract. I recall something about Moloney's B&F and Brownlow top 10 finish too.

Bottom line to my reponse is, I didn't think it was that simple, really.PS. Thanks Lobster effect for link.

  On 11/10/2012 at 23:48, dpositive said:

Just a comment

Why do many consider Howe more for midfield when his jumping marking soaring ability could provide a point of difference to an attack and give real difficulty for opposition back men. Provides opportunity for crumbers if he is negated.Deep in the forward line Howe can really be effective within the right structure and provide a different option, especially for the basic long kick to the square. With Clarke Dawes/etc as the bulky contested space maker Howe could be the decoy.

With Watts as a mobile wing flank(back or forward) with good decision and delivery skills he could deliver to the best option

The reason would be that Howe has the skills and potential to be as effective Ryan O'Keefe. Get touches through the middle but get forward and kick a goal.

I would prefer this than to just leave him as a medium forward who can't run through the middle.

You need versatility and you need mulitple players outside the midfield to run through the middle - Howe being able to do that would be a massive advantage. He is also quick and hard and we could use that in the middle...

  On 11/10/2012 at 13:45, Roost It said:

Did you guys watch the GF. Footy at it's best.

6 or 7 good games a year, is good enough for you, your lucky to be so easily satisfied.

Sorting thru the chaff is too much.

  On 11/10/2012 at 22:57, wattsup said:

Brent Moloney's move to Brisbane, and Melbourne's acquisition of Shannon Byrnes means that Melbourne WILL NOT receive any compensation for losing the free agent.

Melbourne will only be compensated should Jared Rivers be picked up from a rival club via free agency.

Why didn't we come to terms with Byrnes but hold off on the transfer pending Rivers and Cats to see if we could do a similar deal to Dons and Power??????

  On 11/10/2012 at 23:49, dee-luded said:

Its not worth the effort to go to the game anymore.

Says the poster with almost 10,000 posts specifically about football to his name. Interesting.

  On 11/10/2012 at 23:42, The Lobster Effect said:

Its at the bottom of this Emma Quayle article:

http://www.theage.co...1011-27foi.html

Kind of annoying that, I would've thought Beamer would be rated higher than Byrnes but then he did have a terrible year.

Why are we chasing a bunch of key forwards when the problem is not our forward line efficiency, but the lack of forward 50 entries?

How about some midfielders, please Mr Neeld (and yes I know we have Viney, but he is not going to be able to do it all by himself).

  On 11/10/2012 at 06:57, Ben-Hur said:

There were aspects of his play that caused me to not see him developing to a quality AFL standard. It's a judgment call. Could he get to a James Sellar standard in time ? Possibly, not definitely, and that's not good enough anyway. For me that would be his ceiling and I'd cut him accordingly. Obviously the club agrees. I would have been staggered if they hadn't.

I posted the following 2 months ago:

"I've seen him live a number of times now, including against cellar dwellars Frankston, and the guy couldn't be more underwhelming. He's slow, there's not an aggressive bone in his body, he didn't work hard, and didn't read the play well. He's an OK mark, a good kick, he supposedly has excellent endurance, he's a good decision maker (when he gets it) but not much more."

Hawthorn made early judgment calls on top 10 picks Beau Dowler and Mitch Thorpe. West Coast did with Tony Notte. Adelaide did with Fergus Watts. Skilled football watchers make calls on young talls because they don't envisage enough upside. They don't always get it right, but they invariably do. Essendon made the call on Jenkins, but it looks like they got that one wrong.

I'm rapt that we now have people at the club that are prepared to make calls on poor draft selections. Keep in mind, Nut, that Sydney have turned over 33 players in the last 3 years. We need to turn our list over.

If it looks like a dud, smells like a dud, plays like a dud, it's in all likelihood a dud. I'm enjoying seeing these duds on the chopping block.

I guess my issue is that he sooo untried at this stage- as you can tell, I am a [censored] "live in hope "type and I quite like Neeld as he appears to be the opposite. If we trade out Morton (who at times shows a bit) I semi get it as we have seen plenty of him to be able to say yeah....naaaahhhhhhhh. But this guy is two years in and injuries, no real preseason yet - have we seen enough to make the call ?

The only thing that none of us are privvy to, which coaches are, are the close up hunger,passion and desire to make it. We see it from the other side of the boundary. It was interesting that someone posted Brett Lovett saying that Cook should never play for the MFC- it maybe that he has witnessed closely the complete absense of any desire that we see from the other side of the fence.

  On 12/10/2012 at 00:36, poita said:

Why are we chasing a bunch of key forwards when the problem is not our forward line efficiency, but the lack of forward 50 entries?

How about some midfielders, please Mr Neeld (and yes I know we have Viney, but he is not going to be able to do it all by himself).

Maybe Neeld is backing himself & the rest of the football department to get the best out of the existing mids we have? Can only speculate I guess. I'd imagine his judgement of midfield players is pretty sound just going on his background in coaching.