Carlton thinks they can buy a premiership by sacking a contracted coach and enthroning Malthouse as to restore the blues' fortunes. This trick has already been tried - with Dennis Pagan - and there is no reason to believe that Malthouse can bring Carlton a premiership. He was a long time at Collingwood before he got lucky. Carlton's culture has been to buy flags but the lack of loyalty in this case will rebound on them.

and carlton wasting lots of money and coming to nought is a problem because ?

He needs to bring a key forward and key back with him. The Blues list make-up is their primary undoing.

I don't care either way, as long as it ends in tears.

If they really want to waste money get Scully to coach them, He loves money.

Carlton have no leadership...Carlton are similar to melbourne in that they are stocked full of 1st round draft picks. The main difference between melb and carlton is a handful of players...ie,. Judd, etc..Judd is not a captain. He is a mecenary.

Swans have a super leadership group...Strong Culture and the players buy into it.

  On 27/08/2012 at 19:58, bush demon said:

Carlton thinks they can buy a premiership by sacking a contracted coach and enthroning Malthouse as to restore the blues' fortunes. This trick has already been tried - with Dennis Pagan - and there is no reason to believe that Malthouse can bring Carlton a premiership. He was a long time at Collingwood before he got lucky. Carlton's culture has been to buy flags but the lack of loyalty in this case will rebound on them.

Agree. Pagan Mach II. Malthouse's final wopping superannuation cheque courtesy of the Dick Pratt estate.

Carlton aren't going to win a flag owing to the mis-time of the arrival of Murphy/Gibbs etc and Judd's imminent decline.

Close but no cigar Blues.

  On 27/08/2012 at 19:58, bush demon said:

Carlton thinks they can buy a premiership by sacking a contracted coach and enthroning Malthouse as to restore the blues' fortunes. This trick has already been tried - with Dennis Pagan - and there is no reason to believe that Malthouse can bring Carlton a premiership. He was a long time at Collingwood before he got lucky. Carlton's culture has been to buy flags but the lack of loyalty in this case will rebound on them.

I tend to agree...Although I wouldn't say Mathouse got lucky, but I would say it took him a long time to get them to the top.

Who cares? we've got enough problems of our own.

  On 28/08/2012 at 00:06, rjay said:

Who cares? we've got enough problems of our own.

Like what?

What's the big deal? Malthouse is a better coach than Ratts, I say go for it... As long as Mick isn't keen to join his old pal Mark as midfield coach at the Dees....

Have i missed something in the last 24 hours??

Malthouse is the new Carlscum coach?? Or is it still just speculation?

Wifi has been down.

  On 27/08/2012 at 19:58, bush demon said:

Carlton thinks they can buy a premiership by sacking a contracted coach and enthroning Malthouse as to restore the blues' fortunes. This trick has already been tried - with Dennis Pagan - and there is no reason to believe that Malthouse can bring Carlton a premiership. He was a long time at Collingwood before he got lucky. Carlton's culture has been to buy flags but the lack of loyalty in this case will rebound on them.

Dennis Pagan was coaching Carlton when they were penalised for salary cap breeches......Had no picks in the draft and were forced to get players delisted by other clubs.....

  On 27/08/2012 at 19:58, bush demon said:

Carlton thinks they can buy a premiership by sacking a contracted coach and enthroning Malthouse as to restore the blues' fortunes. This trick has already been tried - with Dennis Pagan - and there is no reason to believe that Malthouse can bring Carlton a premiership. He was a long time at Collingwood before he got lucky. Carlton's culture has been to buy flags but the lack of loyalty in this case will rebound on them.

Hypothetical= If Ratten's contract was finished would the loyalty concept still apply? Would Malthouse be an obvious choice? Surely any team would go for him. Don't forget G. Lyon went for Malthouse first after Melbourne sacked Bailey.

Wish Melbourne would have got Malthouse or Ross Lyon....dream on..................Loyalty to Ratten? Sure I agree that Ratten deserves his last year. Problem is will Malthouse still be available? When does loyalty count? Was Melbourne "Loyal" to Bailey? Melbourne weren't "loyal" to Green by not at least giving him a second year as Captain. Football is a business and loyalty doesn't count anymore. If bad loyalty "rebounds" then Melbourne certainly wore it this year.

I love how malthouse states he won't dance on any graves but then says he wants to coach next year or never again. He has in some way put the sword through ratten. If cloke doesn't go to us I hope he goes to Carlton and they get done for salary cap breaches again.

  On 28/08/2012 at 02:43, thaipantsman said:

Hypothetical= If Ratten's contract was finished would the loyalty concept still apply? Would Malthouse be an obvious choice? Surely any team would go for him. Don't forget G. Lyon went for Malthouse first after Melbourne sacked Bailey.

Wish Melbourne would have got Malthouse or Ross Lyon....dream on..................Loyalty to Ratten? Sure I agree that Ratten deserves his last year. Problem is will Malthouse still be available? When does loyalty count? Was Melbourne "Loyal" to Bailey? Melbourne weren't "loyal" to Green by not at least giving him a second year as Captain. Football is a business and loyalty doesn't count anymore. If bad loyalty "rebounds" then Melbourne certainly wore it this year.

If you don't stop it, you'll go blind.

  On 28/08/2012 at 02:47, cowboy_from_hell said:

I love how malthouse states he won't dance on any graves but then says he wants to coach next year or never again. He has in some way put the sword through ratten. If cloke doesn't go to us I hope he goes to Carlton and they get done for salary cap breaches again.

will be very interesting (off topic) if Melbourne still goes for Cloke given his current form. Should get RR to do a poll?

Carlton's main problems are they drink their own bathwater and have an overly inflated opinion of every aspect of the club, but when reality sets in someone has to be burnt at the stake, and a cargo cult mentality where they go and buy someone (e.g. Judd) and think this will just make it all happen. It seems Ratten is the victim this time when it goes far deeper - the President should be taking much of the responsibility. They really are an [censored] of a club and one only needs to look at their membership slogans in recent years to see what they are made of.

  On 28/08/2012 at 02:47, cowboy_from_hell said:

I love how malthouse states he won't dance on any graves but then says he wants to coach next year or never again. He has in some way put the sword through ratten. If cloke doesn't go to us I hope he goes to Carlton and they get done for salary cap breaches again.

More likely they'll get done for "Brown Paper Bag" breaches.

Carltons new problem is a ittle bloke called Eddie.

This ought to be entertaining

Very sad for Ratten. Extremely hard call for us Demonlanders to comment. We don't know all the little intricacies. My guess is the post is correct and Blues are going for Malthouse. Will Ratten be head coach elsewhere??

  On 28/08/2012 at 01:49, why you little said:

Have i missed something in the last 24 hours??

Malthouse is the new Carlscum coach?? Or is it still just speculation?

Wifi has been down.

Apparently there's a presser tomorrow morning - speculation is that he'll be given the flick.

Malthouse in.

  On 29/08/2012 at 08:50, thaipantsman said:

Very sad for Ratten. Extremely hard call for us Demonlanders to comment. We don't know all the little intricacies. My guess is the post is correct and Blues are going for Malthouse. Will Ratten be head coach elsewhere??

He might go to Port. It's the only job where Clubs don't interview coaches. The Coach interviews the club.

  On 29/08/2012 at 08:50, thaipantsman said:

Very sad for Ratten. Extremely hard call for us Demonlanders to comment. We don't know all the little intricacies. My guess is the post is correct and Blues are going for Malthouse. Will Ratten be head coach elsewhere??

You're correct TPM but who cares? The more pain, infighting, dissent and general shite for Carlton the happier I'll be!

This will be better than Sumo wrestling, a phenomenal clash of egos...

MM has the Midas touch when it comes to making an emotional connection to players and getting them to play well, (from a source who is close to the coal face) and is the guy who will get them to run into the line of fire, but this will not be enough to deal with his own problem.

He also has a monumental ego on a par with any other figure in the game (and present in the Carlton board) and humility is not in his lexicon. I think the clash of egos at the blues will be huge and I don't think the blues will profit from it (this part I'm quite happy about as I hate them in a way that is generally a prelude to violence). And nothing in his arrival, if it happens indicates that the CFC board will pull their heads in.

You think the whole Pagan saga would have taught them a thing or two, and Mick's ego is going to be end of him, by the time the CFC spits him out he'll regret the BS he gave Ratten.

I don't reckon Judd will be happy about it either and he can sit and spin on his Visy packaging wrapper (still sad on him as well)

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