couldn't be h_t, I'm completely in the dark

me too, & it's cold in here as well... whats that smell of,,,, mushrooms???

Firstly we got Clark cheap as he wanted to leave, i doubt Brisbane would have given him away for that if he wasn't about to walk out.

West could be a ruck turned forward, be a better option then paying overs for Cloke.

Im guessing you cant explain it or suggest something better rather then 'not going to bother' after you just bothered to write a useless response to my suggestion

olisik, stop! before you go too far back, please, I can't bear it.

As I have already said, the only reason we got Clark for 12 was because he was about to walk out of the club.

If Clark was happy enough staying at Brisbane I highly doubt we would have gotten him for 12.

So if he wants to leave & he's only a B grade AFL player, would you pay too much?

When Jack comes up against top AFL Mids he won't have the advantage of being aggressive before his years.

Its strange how everyone is saying that Viney is nothing special nowdays based purley on other players having good carnivals. Its still the same Jack Viney who everyone was raving about and who was being touted as a lock in our 'hypothetical best 22 for future seasons' theads?

If we were to pass on Viney with our first pick and GWS or someother club picked him up, i believe it would be the modern eras equivelant to dumping norm smith as coach. Lets take him at 3, pick his mate Wines at 4 and soldier on in 2013

Query, would we be interested in Justin Koschitski if available and if so what would we be prepared to part with to get him?

Looks to me as if a change of scenery might just be what he needs at the minute and If my sauces are correct St.Kilda might be willing to deal!

ANY TAKERS?

Bit of a gamble. A pick around 20 - 25 would probably be all. passe'.

I say we use the picks 3,4 in the super draft and all other picks are to trade in for a Beams or wellingham or boak.

We are in a great postion to attack this FA and should move heaven and earth to fix our midfield so we can be the next westcoast.

I still think we have a strong 10 players on our current list that we can build a strong side around.

Trengove,Jones,frawley,Blease,Gysberts,Jamar,Grimes,Clark,Watts,Jurruh

If we can add 6 strong names to that list in 2013

Viney,Boak,Toumpas,Stringer,Wellingham,Knights

We could be playing finals in 2013 and having a real crack

I'm sure you could add Howe to that list (and probably Tom McDonald). Plus - long term- Max Gawn I think.

Its strange how everyone is saying that Viney is nothing special nowdays based purley on other players having good carnivals. Its still the same Jack Viney who everyone was raving about and who was being touted as a lock in our 'hypothetical best 22 for future seasons' theads?

If we were to pass on Viney with our first pick and GWS or someother club picked him up, i believe it would be the modern eras equivelant to dumping norm smith as coach. Lets take him at 3, pick his mate Wines at 4 and soldier on in 2013

Now Wines is a ball user, & Toumpas as well. They're what we need. Players who can run with the ball & distribute, as well as gut running.

Hurt factor with the use of the ball & via their spread.

The other is Stringer, Key tall who sounds like he could also be a Koutifides or Pav, playing thru the middle.

Query, would we be interested in Justin Koschitski if available and if so what would we be prepared to part with to get him?

Looks to me as if a change of scenery might just be what he needs at the minute and If my sauces are correct St.Kilda might be willing to deal!

ANY TAKERS?

straight swap for Bate.(might chuck in a spud too)

Kosi, going Once? Twice? Three times?.....

Are you all done?????...

straight swap for Bate.(might chuck in a spud too)

Guess what dc.......what do you get when lucky Phil bends over to pick up more hotdog rolls in his recruiting caravan at Rooty Hill ?

You guessed it...

Ok Sylvia for Kosi! and throw Morton in for good measure!

Deal?

Edited July 2, 201213 yr by picket fence

Love all the spithballing. Also love the posters who have absolutely no ability to comprehend how the father son bidding process works, the manner in which compo picks can and can't be used and the illegal deals.

We will know where we stand with Viney BEFORE trade week commences. We will either have used pick 3 or the second rounder.

It is only then that we will have any true idea of our trade position.

Picks 3, 4 and 12 to play with or Picks 4, 12 and 20 something in terms of trade table strength.

No matter what the scenario with Viney, short of Pendlebury or Watson or Franklin being involved in the trade, i cannot see the club offering up any top 5 selection for a trade.

Pick 12 in a "super draft" is what the club will be dangling along with perhaps the second rounder and / or a variety of players if necessary.

The player that it would appear most likely that they are targetting at least at this early stage is Boak.

He was Pick 5 in 2006. Has played 100 games and will be 24 by season end. He is in a similar position as Clarke was at the end of last year in terms of wanting to leave for another club.

The first question is can he be enticed to Melbourne. Maybe.

The second question is what can we offer to get the trade done. Pick 12 and 23. Maybe someone like a Petterd who they may see upside in.

This is a fairly strong trade offer. It will be stronger than what Geelong can offer in terms of picks. As the ladder stands currently, only Dogs, Tigers, Blues and Saints could offer a higher first round pick but they wouldn't have a higher second round pick. The Blues and Saints are unlikely to have the cap space either. Which leaves only the Tigers and Dogs as other Victorian teams in with a show. The Tigers only have one first round selection which they may be reluctant to part with. The Bulldogs are the only other team with two first round selections.

When you look at the situation critically, unless he flat out refuses to talk to Melbourne, we are in a very strong position without having to give up picks 3 or 4.

Pick 12 and player to Port, Boak to Geelong, Trent West to MFC

I like it a lot. Best option all round I've heard. Everyone's a winner.

I like it a lot. Best option all round I've heard. Everyone's a winner.

That's a joke right?

That's a joke right?

Did it start with "a man walks into a bar..."???

When you look at the situation critically, unless he flat out refuses to talk to Melbourne, we are in a very strong position without having to give up picks 3 or 4.

I agree, have flagged something similar (though had put the question out there if we might do a straight swap for the 4, but you're prob right, that's a very high price). I reckon Caddy is the other player who Melbourne might look at.

Also i reckon peeps should forget about Sheedy's nonsense. When it is all said and done they won't play funny buggers with Viney - its just too big a risk. Also as he flagged this week they will be after some mid 20 players to bolster their youth. Remember Cornes, Brogan and McDonald will in all likelihood retire. They'll go after a couple of stars no doubt but players like Bate, Dunn, Pettard and perhaps even Moloney will hold some interest for them if for no other reason to provide a bit of a buffer for their youngsters, who so often struggle in their second year of AFL (Rich being a great example). The experience of GC this year will be salutatory. This might give us something to trade with them with

Guess what dc.......what do you get when lucky Phil bends over to pick up more hotdog rolls in his recruiting caravan at Rooty Hill ?

You guessed it...

that's a frightening image to even speculate over.....way beyond my usual fertile imagination

If Melb give up pick 4 for Travis Boak I will be horrified!!

Maximum of pick 12 plus a player if need be.

This thread is off it's chops!!!

Did it start with "a man walks into a bar..."???

Is the Pope a roman?

No- I am one of the advocates of taking Viney at whatever pick need be- I don't so much care what "value" we get with the Viney pick- I worry about the player we may miss out on because we had to take Viney with a high pick- not picking Viney himself.

I think you missed the point.

Oh, SMFl, I am two chapters past the point...

There is an argument beginning to emerge from a few on here that if we take Viney at 3, after explicitly saying we wouldn't, we would be seen as weak tea and therefore should not pick him up at 3 as a blanket rule.

It's BS, if Viney is worth near pick 3 and we couldn't work a deal or a bluff - we should take him. From what I have heard - he is clearly near 3...

We gave up pick 12 for Clark, so how would this scenario be much different?

And name another one of my scenarios that suck?

Something constructive or don't bother quoting me with responses like this one.

This scenario is different because Trent West is a spud, whereas Clark looks and plays like Jesus with tats.

Another of your scenarios that sucked was suggesting we trade Trengove. Although you did have the foresight to raise the question of whether that would wreck the culture of the club, which I am willing to admit was very perceptive.

I like it a lot. Best option all round I've heard. Everyone's a winner.

Only a "full moon" could like that option and consider it a winner all round.

Your avatar fits the mould. Phil's butt. And tonight is a full moon.

Who is to say that the eligible 17 year olds are going to be worth Pick 3? We may find that we are giving up Pick 3, for a player that may go Pick 10+ in the normal draft. O'Meara was an apparent lock for Top 3 in a normal draft, Crouch was considered 5-10 (from memory), but was the 2nd best player available in the mini draft. I haven't heard of any O'Meara-types in this year's mini dradt (ie. a player that is likely to go top 3 next year).

I have faith in the Club that we will have Pick 3, 4 and 12 in this year's draft, and Viney comes to us in the 2nd round. That would be a win, and we won't have to do 2 things, make a secret deal with GC/GWS and we won't have to sit here for the next 18 months waiting for said 17 year old to start playing for us and having to put up with numerous threads about how they will be the next best thing. It also means we can start to get a bit of stability with our list so we can chase a premiership rather than high draft picks.

I understand where you're coming from, but you're wrong.

The difference is a choice between a 17yo pick + Viney or a mid-20's pick + Viney. So essentially we will be weighing up the choice between a 17yo mini draft pick which is a likely top-10 if not top-5 kid in 2013 or a mid-20's pick this year.

It's not like we are giving up pick 3 either as we would be otherwise forced to use it on Viney.

I really think all this is moot anyway as we will end up being forced to use pick 3 on Viney.

Query, would we be interested in Justin Koschitski if available and if so what would we be prepared to part with to get him?

Looks to me as if a change of scenery might just be what he needs at the minute and If my sauces are correct St.Kilda might be willing to deal!

ANY TAKERS?

Hell no. We would've been better off just keeping Miller.

We need midfielders. Clark and Jurrah will be a great forward line to build around throw in Watts & Sylvia and bring in a crumbed and it is a pretty dangerous forward line. Would like to bring in an experienced mid like Boak but even getting a GC player like Caddy or Prestia would be good. Would prefer not to part with pick 3 or 4 though (unless in a Viney deal for a 17yo pick) and considering we got Clark for pick 12 no reason we shouldnt be able to secure a decent mid (Boak) for that.

I would just love to see the two of them on the park in top fitness together.....will be see that?