After doing the first half the year (link below) and having only 3 posters get it right, I thought we should do it again.

http://demonland.com/forums/index.php?/topic/29451-the-first-half-draw/page__p__528006__hl__wins#entry528006

To PRB who voted we will win 11 games from here - this poll isn't a counterpoint to your thread as it doesn't touch on my point at all, so you don't need to proffer a response in this thread that is so unlikely it is to be considered absurd.

As your disclaimer in your first thread said - " I am not saying we it is likely we will win all the next 11 games."

So how many do you actually think we can win?

This is, after all, a thread about games and not the draft...

4 wins. 3 games against the new kids on the blcok and the darwin game against port

GWS - WIN

Brisbane - we have done well there the last few times - gonna go out on a limb and say WIN

RIchmond - they have too much to lose - LOSS

Freo - our crappness at Etihad versus their crappness at the same venue + how much their flakiness has been tempered by Lyon - narrow LOSS

Port Adelaide - they pushed us in Darwin last year when they were awful as against they are losing cattle at a rate of knots - narrow WIN

North Melbourne - will Scotty still be there? will Brayshaw still be there? if that mongrel Harvey plays, we lose - LOSS

Gold Coast - basket case - WIN

St Kilda - see Richmond - LOSS

GWS - given our ability to drop games late in the season against ordinary opposition, danger game away from MCG - narrow WIN tho'

Adelaide - pantsed them last year here - cant see it happening this year - LOSS

Freo - Patterson Stadium - see Etihad - LOSS

That make 5 and 6.

Sorry didnt see the voting page until after I posted.

Find it hard to see us winning more than 4.

Even then I worry about the Darwin game.

A couple of good first quarters would improve our chances.

To PRB who voted we will win 11 games from here - this poll isn't a counterpoint to your thread as it doesn't touch on my point at all, so you don't need to proffer a response in this thread that is so unlikely it is to be considered absurd.

As your disclaimer in your first thread said - " I am not saying we it is likely we will win all the next 11 games."

So how many do you actually think we can win?

This is, after all, a thread about games and not the draft...

Valid point. Changed tips.

The three hinge games are Freo at Etihad, Brisbane at the Gabba, and North Melbourne at Etihad. Our best against Carlton and Collingwood and Essendon would kill all three of these but can we do it over 4 quarters, and will Etihad continue to haunt us?

5 - 7 wins I reckon.

I'm surprised so few are voting for us to beat Nth. If Nth Melbourne don't pick up their form soon, they will continue their fall down the ladder. I watched some of their game against GC and they were far from convincing.

I've gone for 6 wins as I think we can atone for our rnd 1 loss against the Lions, will beat the newbies, Nth and Port. Given our current form, i do not see much of a gap between us and the likes of the bulldogs, port, nth melb, and brisbane.

I think our surprise win will be over St Kilda at the G.

I've gone for 5 wins on the run home.

I'm surprised so few are voting for us to beat Nth. If Nth Melbourne don't pick up their form soon, they will continue their fall down the ladder. I watched some of their game against GC and they were far from convincing.

I don't know what it is, but we simply cannot beat North Melbourne. They have owned us since 2007 and always put in their best performance of the year V's us.

That's our certain loss on the run home.

I think we'll win 3 maybe 4.

I get 4

After doing the first half the year (link below) and having only 3 posters get it right, I thought we should do it again.

http://demonland.com...ins#entry528006

All voting well after the fact too

I went for 5.

(GWS X 2, Brisbane, Port and Gold Coast.)

Bloody good run home considering we only play 2 teams who are currently in the 8. One of which is St Kilda who are only just in there on percentage..

Even year I know but all these games bar Adelaide are there for the taking really.

Tipped 5, nearly 6.

Thinking that the Darwin trip will come back to bite us on the arse again and we'll come unstuck against North. Until then, it was looking like 5 on the trot.

I went for 7, but our inability to beat any Victorian clubs bar Richmond and Essendon in the last five years is of major concern. Im hoping for upsets over North and St.Kilda to bury this hoodoo.....anything at Etihad would be a bonus.

On current form I can only see 3 wins against the new teams. That said the incurable optimist in me feels the only game where there'll be no chance at all is Freo in Perth. Whatever the outcome, I hope we give every game a crack for the second half of 2012.

Isn't it nice that we don't have to play Geelong, Collingwood, Essendon, Carlton, Hawks, Sydney and West Coast again?

I have us in for 3, with absolutely no bloody idea at all to be honest. This team will be a tipster (and supporters) nightmare over the coming 11 games. We "should" beat GWS x 2 and the Suns, We could beat Norf, Brisbane, Freo (in Vic), St Kilda, Richmond and Port, and we won't beat Freo (in WA) and Adelaide.

When we've only played one game this year we played 4 quarters, we have won. Even against the bottom 10 sides, if you only play 3 quarters it will be hard to win.

Putting my balls on the line, I'll say that we will win between 2 and 9.

Well, if we start to click, and the we see the team adhere to Neeld's gameplan for longer periods of time and get in and have a crack, then at least 6 of those games are very winnable.

But in saying that, we will undoubtedly drop at least 1 or 2 of them, and realistically win another 3 or 4 for the year.

Having tipped four in the first half (only getting Essendon right) what do I know?

Anyways, I've gone for four - GWS at the 'G, Gold Coast, North - I really want to break this dual hoodoo the Roos and Dlands and reckon they are more vulnerable now than for years) and Port.

I'm the one tipping a return loss against GWS at Manuka. They might be tiring at that end of the season, but on form they'll challenge us so I am trying to be realistic.

RIchmond - they have too much to lose - LOSS

I'd say they've "lost" it, they won't make finals. I've still said a loss but Richmond are a funny lot, a win there wouldn't surprise me (and would be oh so sweet!).

I've said 5 with the wins against GWS x2, Freo at Etihad (upset to finally break the hoodoo), Port, and GC. North, Richmond, and the Lions to me present as chance wins. Even St Kilda we've shown we can match them, get some confidence, who knows?

We get 5-6 and the media will be praising Neeld and his crack team.

Isn't it nice that we don't have to play Geelong, Collingwood, Essendon, Carlton, Hawks, Sydney and West Coast again?

Yeah, it was a pretty good draw wasn't it.

The challenge with predicting this year is that the draw and the arrival of a new coach, plan and FD meant that the first half of the year was always going to be challenging (more so in retrospect).

Yet the win over Dons and solid effort for 3 quarters vs Pies shows we have improved since the first game (shudder) this year.

I'd rated us 10th at the start of the year, reckon we've done a "step back to take two forward" thus far this year, but the changes should start bearing fruit in the second half of the season. I hope they do, and am predicting they will.

Hence, the 9 win prediction.

I had 3, wow, even depressed myself!

Simple fact is when you're 1-10, it's very hard to invisige a win. Lions beat us down here, how can we beat them over there when they beat West Coast?

How can we beat Port in Darwin when they have smashed teams we got beaten by?

I know Freo's form in Victoria is shaky to say the least but they are clearly playing better footy than us.

A gutsy win over a down Essendon isn't enough to give me any confidence for wins against anyone but the new franchise teams. Maybe we can pull out another surprise win but I'm not confident enough to tip it.

And no, in case you're wondering; this doesn't mean i'm "ambivalent" - I'm just basing my predictions on what i've seen so far. That is 1 win and 10 losses.