Thursday May 17th - Jurrah-dgment Day

[daisycutter 29,600]

Would be the first club in the VFL/AFL to have a listed/contracted player go to the clink?

He wouldn't. But lets not dig all that up

[DemonDave 1,089]

Dot points of the news:

-Preliminary examination to be 23rd July.

-His lawyer is seeking alterations to his bail to allow Liam to play in the Darwin game (Round 17), will know about 4ish today.

The new examination date is 2 days after our game in Darwin, coincidentally. The new hearing date means he has to appear in person. so one would assume if he is fit enough he will play on the Saturday night and front up on the Monday in court.

[stuie 7,374]

The new examination date is 2 days after our game in Darwin, coincidentally. The new hearing date means he has to appear in person. so one would assume if he is fit enough he will play on the Saturday night and front up on the Monday in court.

Kinda hope he doesn't play to be honest, would much rather a super quick in and out trip to Darwin than Liam spending 3-4 days there.

[stiza_007 3]

Correct me if I am wrong,

So if fit and in contention, Liam could return into this side this week, and remain in the team up until the new examination date in July, where ultimately his outcome will be determined?

[Bossdog 2,002]

Would appear to be given bail due to not being a flight risk or have prior convictions(not sure on this one.)

[daisycutter 29,600]

Correct me if I am wrong,

So if fit and in contention, Liam could return into this side this week, and remain in the team up until the new examination date in July, where ultimately his outcome will be determined?

I don't think any outcomes will be determined in July. It is a preliminary hearing as I understand it

This will spin out for a long time so strap yourself in for a big wait and lots of speculation

[Bossdog 2,002]

Correct me if I am wrong,

So if fit and in contention, Liam could return into this side this week, and remain in the team up until the new examination date in July, where ultimately his outcome will be determined?

The date in July is an evidence hearing to see if there is enough evidence to send him to trial. He will have to appear and this case will go for several days....

[The Chazz 4,077]

Would appear to be given bail due to not being a flight risk or have prior convictions(not sure on this one.)

If he is a Melbourne listed player, you can be assured he'd have no priors, would totally go against our drafting policy...

[olisik 4,060]

if he is put into the clink, is the MFC still obligated to there contract if he cant play?

[daisycutter 29,600]

if he is put into the clink, is the MFC still obligated to there contract if he cant play?

there is always someone........................

[Pates 9,659]

if he is put into the clink, is the MFC still obligated to there contract if he cant play?

Not that I particularly want to think about it, I imagine there would be an out clause for conviction of breaking a serious law.

Initially when I heard about the date I was thinking it was the beggining of the trail (I was one that didn't think he'd play a game) but having read these articles this is all preliminary stuff, the trial might not even happen till after the season (if there is one).

I'm also it sure about him playing in the Darwin game, surely his head wouldn't be right if he's just coming up to the hearing. Let alone the issues around him staying in the NT.

[Dr. Gonzo 24,135]

there is always someone........................

It's a valid question.

[olisik 4,060]

Reason i ask is because we are going into a massive trade season with free agency, lots of high draft picks, lots of gaps in our list and any spare amount of $ on our salary cap could mean a difference between getting a star and being out-bidded. I mean no dis-respect in the query, I was just curious if we would be restricted in anyway if he was unable to play.

[daisycutter 29,600]

It's a valid question.

it may be a valid question for the right people at the right time

i just think that now and on DL it is in bad taste

anyway what makes you think anyone on DL is privy to the details of a players contract?

[BarrassHarrass 25]

The fact that the cops have slapped on further charges is not a good sign for Liam at all. As a lawyer who works in Crim law, I see this as a sign that the cops and the DPP are looking to slap him with a sentence. Typically the way this will play out is that when he pleads he may pead not guilty to the serious charges and they will still get him on one of the 'lesser' charges. This ploy is also used to avoid a situation where the accused pleads guilty to one charge in the hope he gets a suspended sentence or similiar. Darn it. Looks as though he will get some time for this attack. Having said that, I have no experience with NT Laws and/or how their prosecutor's operate. Only speaking from Victorian experience.

Edited May 17, 2012 by BarrassHarrass

[CHAMP 347]

Yep, just ask Rubin Carter!

Indeed, "The Hurricane" and the "Jurrahcane" (both "locked up for crimes that they never did" maybe).

[PaulRB 6,336]

Wouldn't the addition of lesser charges also imply that he is innocent of the major charge but was involved in the periphery?

[BarrassHarrass 25]

Wouldn't the addition of lesser charges also imply that he is innocent of the major charge but was involved in the periphery?

Yes, although innocent is not the word I would use. More like they dont have enough evidence to make the serious charges stick.

[The Lobster Effect 885]

Yes, although innocent is not the word I would use. More like they dont have enough evidence to make the serious charges stick.

on a worst case scenario i think i read that he was facing up to 14 years if the prosecutors were successful with the main charge.

so that's obviously an extremely WORST cased scenario, but based on your legal experience, what's a REALISTIC scenario if the prosecutors were successful with the main charge? I know this a hypothetical with lots of unknowns, but was just curious. anyway fingers crossed for the hopeful outcome

[beelzebub 23,313]

It's a valid question.

it is indeed.. unpalatable, but legitimate.

Would much prefer he gets to walk.

[Pennant St Dee 13,094]

The fact that the cops have slapped on further charges is not a good sign for Liam at all. As a lawyer who works in Crim law, I see this as a sign that the cops and the DPP are looking to slap him with a sentence. Typically the way this will play out is that when he pleads he may pead not guilty to the serious charges and they will still get him on one of the 'lesser' charges. This ploy is also used to avoid a situation where the accused pleads guilty to one charge in the hope he gets a suspended sentence or similiar. Darn it. Looks as though he will get some time for this attack. Having said that, I have no experience with NT Laws and/or how their prosecutor's operate. Only speaking from Victorian experience.

Don't now about NT law, what are the new charges if they are lesser charges (non indictable) may be good behaviour, fine, suspended sentence. I don't know the intracacies of the case so can't speculate, whilst victims need to be taken into account courts need to way up public inerest of giving Jurrah a prison sentence as opposed to the other options.

The matter has not been committed to trial yet, so wait and see

[Matt Demon 1,418]

It will be a sad day If things don't go his way, feeling pretty crap about it all to be honest.

Fingers crossed...

[hardtack 10,514]

It will be interesting to see how the club reacts, if he is eventually found guilty of even the lesser charges and doesn't have to serve any time. Will the club take a guilty verdict to mean that he is no longer welcome at the club, or will they offer him counselling and put their faith in his ability to come out of this a better person. Quite the conundrum.

Edited May 17, 2012 by hardtack

[old dee 23,770]

It will be interesting to see how the club reacts, if he is eventually found guilty of even the lesser charges and doesn't have to serve any time. Will the club take a guilty verdict to mean that he is no longer welcome at the club, or will they offer him counselling and put their faith in his ability to come out of this a better person. Quite the conundrum.

Too good to fling it will be councilling.

If it was Lawrence he would be gone the day after

[hardtack 10,514]

Too good to fling it will be councilling.

If it was Lawrence he would be gone the day after

I tend to agree... but the club must be dreading being put in that position.