Sylvia is a sublime but slightly erratic talent who, for one reason or another has never gotten the best out of himself in his time at the club.

That is not to say that he is not one of the team's better players (he finished 10th in the best and fairest) but, as Brent Moloney pointed out in Bluey night, he should be aiming for the top.

Games MFC 2011  19 MFC Total 121 Goals MFC 2011 25 MFC Total 105

Games CSFC 2011 1 Goals CSFC 2011 0

MFC Kicks 215 (5th), Handballs 165 (5th), Tackles 101 (2nd), Inside 50s 89 (2nd)

Club Champion 143 votes (10th). 

Hope that Col heeded the sage advice of Beamer. Would love to see him wreaking havoc on the regular. I hope this new coach is as good as we all hope he will be, because if so, we stand to see the improvement in a player like Col that we all long to see. Big year 2012 I'm tipping.

Arguably the most frustrating player on the list because he is also arguably the most talented.

Looking forward to Col Sylvia ver 3.01 Should he ever get his head in the right spot for long enough he might just become the player we all would love him to be. More the point he might just surprise himself,

Quite the pivotal year approaching.

Yes, if Neeld is the hard man they say he is, then Col will not be shown much love if he continues his hot and cold ways. I'm sure Neeld is well aware of this issue and would not be at all surprised if he hasn't already had a few words. Col would become a real weapon if Neeld can manage to get him to perform to his potential on a weekly basis - Brownlow material even.

A word of caution... saying Col is one of the better players because he managed 10th in the Bluey won't cut it with a number of posters here; just look at the "experts" thoughts on Green who was just one place behind him in 11th.

With all due respect to the Bluey and I certainly dont mean to dilute its importance you have to see it in context. Someone willl aways win it. Its a closed shop affair. Whom ever is deemed the best at the club gets teh points and accunulates his award etc. This only really serves to compare one to another within our own ranks and doesnt in any real shape or form hold them to an unadulterated and less forgiving ajudication. its the likes of A-A_, or the Brownlow, or other inustry awards that will see our players in some less 'rosey' light.

In all reality to have only placed 10th and 11th repsectfully for Col and Brad is damning.

Col could indeed aspire and place in the Brownlow, he is that good ( mainly in the potential) but so rarely puts much back to back, or indeed as 4 of 4 but should he ever, then gee-wizz what a player.

But we've all visited this subject time and time again , so what does that in itself tell you ? Simply that he hasnt go tthere yet and its bloody well time he did.

Good luck kid.

With all due respect to the Bluey and I certainly dont mean to dilute its importance you have to see it in context. Someone willl aways win it. Its a closed shop affair. Whom ever is deemed the best at the club gets teh points and accunulates his award etc. This only really serves to compare one to another within our own ranks and doesnt in any real shape or form hold them to an unadulterated and less forgiving ajudication. its the likes of A-A_, or the Brownlow, or other inustry awards that will see our players in some less 'rosey' light.

In all reality to have only placed 10th and 11th repsectfully for Col and Brad is damning.

Col could indeed aspire and place in the Brownlow, he is that good ( mainly in the potential) but so rarely puts much back to back, or indeed as 4 of 4 but should he ever, then gee-wizz what a player.

But we've all visited this subject time and time again , so what does that in itself tell you ? Simply that he hasnt go tthere yet and its bloody well time he did.

Good luck kid.

Sorry B59, you're going to have to explain this one to the uneducated. Obviously I'm reading it wrong when I say in your first paragraph you're hinting that the Bluey is really not a recognised award in the greater football community's eyes, and as you rightly point out, there will always be a winner, just like there will always be someone who comes last in it, and there will always be someone who comes tenth.

But, in your next paragraph, your concerned that Col came tenth in our B&F. I wouldn't think B&F position would matter too greatly (if I read your first paragraph correctly).

All the bullsh!t aside, and most have said similar on this thread, or any other time they talk about Col. He is inconsistent, should be our best player, needs to pull his finger out and work harder. If he can do this, he can be a season winner for us, at the moment, he's just a match winner but only for a handful of games each year. Not good enough.

Now now Billy. I thought i explained myself perfectly well. Someone will always win the Bluey. What it represents as a winner, is in essence is a place in the MFC's history. Beamer was most deserved of this. His Charlie points are testament to it also.

But in the context of our club players of the ilk of Brad and Col ought to have been battling it out right there at the top. They werent. in reality they were irrelevent to any real achievements thoughout the year.

Awards and indeed any appraisal outside of the club is going to be more of a repflection of where these players stand in the greater light of the general playing community. Where do Melbourne players rank in this greater judgement ? Hardly to be seen is the answer. I would rather that Melbourne players looked to being amongst the competitions best as their litmus. They do that and Club awards would follow in course.

Again, just in case youre tempted ( and I know you are ) to put a spin where its not warranted, the Bluey is a great award. To be cherished by all that have won and wil win it. But it is a club award and isnt as impartial as a competition wide award. thats simply a fact.

None of this shoud distract ftom the reality that Col has yet to deliver.

Now now Billy. I thought i explained myself perfectly well. Someone will always win the Bluey. What it represents as a winner, is in essence is a place in the MFC's history. Beamer was most deserved of this. His Charlie points are testament to it also.

But in the context of our club players of the ilk of Brad and Col ought to have been battling it out right there at the top. They werent. in reality they were irrelevent to any real achievements thoughout the year.

Awards and indeed any appraisal outside of the club is going to be more of a repflection of where these players stand in the greater light of the general playing community. Where do Melbourne players rank in this greater judgement ? Hardly to be seen is the answer. I would rather that Melbourne players looked to being amongst the competitions best as their litmus. They do that and Club awards would follow in course.

Again, just in case youre tempted ( and I know you are ) to put a spin where its not warranted, the Bluey is a great award. To be cherished by all that have won and wil win it. But it is a club award and isnt as impartial as a competition wide award. thats simply a fact.

None of this shoud distract ftom the reality that Col has yet to deliver.

It's always a hard one the B&F. How many times has the person that wont the Brownlow not won their B&F in the same year? It will forever raise eyebrows and have us scratching our heads. I for one can't believe that Judd didn't win the Brownlow (can believe this as the decision is made by idiotic judges), but more surprisingly to me, he didn't win their B&F. Not taking anything away from Murphy, but surely Judd had a better year didn't he?

Further to this, I can't see how Jared Rivers made our Top 3 (would've thought Garland was a better defender all year)! While he had a fairly consistent year, so be judged our third best player for the year is mind-blowing.

The thing that I prefer to do is rather than judging individual years results, I'd rather look at it over a 5 or 6 year period (or even throughout a players career). If they regularly finish in the Top 5, even if they never win the Bluey, that's the sign of a good player. It's the ones that are Top 3 one year, then 12th the next, then 8th the next, that inconsistency is what's killing us, and it's blokes like Col that are doing it to us.

I should give you a pat on the back though - I questioned your post, and you almost got through it without getting personal, and you didn't emoticons. By the end of preseason, I'll have you on "favourite poster" thread. Just call me the "post whisperer"!

Hope that Col heeded the sage advice of Beamer. Would love to see him wreaking havoc on the regular. I hope this new coach is as good as we all hope he will be, because if so, we stand to see the improvement in a player like Col that we all long to see. Big year 2012 I'm tipping.

I hope Beamer heeds his own sage advice and wreaking havoc on a regular basis.

I am tipping a big year for Colin just like I tipped it in 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011......

I hope Beamer heeds his own sage advice and wreaking havoc on a regular basis.

I am tipping a big year for Colin just like I tipped it in 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011......

subtle ..lol

It's always a hard one the B&F. How many times has the person that wont the Brownlow not won their B&F in the same year? It will forever raise eyebrows and have us scratching our heads. I for one can't believe that Judd didn't win the Brownlow (can believe this as the decision is made by idiotic judges), but more surprisingly to me, he didn't win their B&F. Not taking anything away from Murphy, but surely Judd had a better year didn't he?

Further to this, I can't see how Jared Rivers made our Top 3 (would've thought Garland was a better defender all year)! While he had a fairly consistent year, so be judged our third best player for the year is mind-blowing.

The thing that I prefer to do is rather than judging individual years results, I'd rather look at it over a 5 or 6 year period (or even throughout a players career). If they regularly finish in the Top 5, even if they never win the Bluey, that's the sign of a good player. It's the ones that are Top 3 one year, then 12th the next, then 8th the next, that inconsistency is what's killing us, and it's blokes like Col that are doing it to us.

I should give you a pat on the back though - I questioned your post, and you almost got through it without getting personal, and you didn't emoticons. By the end of preseason, I'll have you on "favourite poster" thread. Just call me the "post whisperer"!

Billy..im just as perplexed as to how some blokes finished as high as they did.. Imn many respects this says a lot about the Melbourne of season 2011. It will be a different 2012 if for no other reason than those in charge are different.. Anyone is welcome to read into that what they like.

It's always a hard one the B&F. How many times has the person that wont the Brownlow not won their B&F in the same year? It will forever raise eyebrows and have us scratching our heads. I for one can't believe that Judd didn't win the Brownlow (can believe this as the decision is made by idiotic judges), but more surprisingly to me, he didn't win their B&F. Not taking anything away from Murphy, but surely Judd had a better year didn't he?

It's arguable. Murphy polled something like 11 x "1"s in the Brownlow in his total of 19 votes. Pretty consistent year. The first half of the season was very, very good and whilst it didn't reflect as well in the Brownlow - it certainly would have in the B&F and internally at Carlton.

Further to this, I can't see how Jared Rivers made our Top 3 (would've thought Garland was a better defender all year)! While he had a fairly consistent year, so be judged our third best player for the year is mind-blowing.

J.Rivers was our best defender in the first half of the season by a country mile. Frawley started hitting his straps around Round ~8/9. He played tentatively prior since Round 2. Garland was here and there throughout and if you recall he struggled with injury for a period of time around the North Melbourne game.

It's arguable. Murphy polled something like 11 x "1"s in the Brownlow in his total of 19 votes. Pretty consistent year. The first half of the season was very, very good and whilst it didn't reflect as well in the Brownlow - it certainly would have in the B&F and internally at Carlton.

J.Rivers was our best defender in the first half of the season by a country mile. Frawley started hitting his straps around Round ~8/9. He played tentatively prior since Round 2. Garland was here and there throughout and if you recall he struggled with injury for a period of time around the North Melbourne game.

There was a 6-8 week period where Rivers should not have been playing seniors let alone moving up the B&F ranks (have to admit, I don't know if he got votes during that period). But, to be fair to Rivers, not many of our players deserved votes in that time.

As I said HT, not taking anything away from Murphy's season, but wouldn't you think a $1.80 favourite for the Brownlow, where a professional betting agency were paying out bets before the end of the season, must have had a pretty bloody good season. As it turned out (through the eyes of the umpires), he polled more vites than Murphy. That was my point about someone winning the Brownlow and not winning the B&F, it will forever have questions raised. That's why I prefer to look at a players placing in the B&F over a period of time. I want to see consistent performances year after year.

Chip Frawley is well on track of doing this. Col needs to do this.

I hope Beamer heeds his own sage advice and wreaking havoc on a regular basis.

I am tipping a big year for Colin just like I tipped it in 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011......

So did I!

Last year I said he could win the Chas, and I still think he has the talent to do it.

So did I!

Last year I said he could win the Chas, and I still think he has the talent to do it.

You beat me to the punch -- Col does have the talent and the ability to win the Brownlow; only he himself can know why he lacks the drive, the dedication, or the geuniue will to do so.

I hope our new coach helps him to find his best, but the coach can only help -- OVER TO YOU, COLIN, IF YOU REALLY CARE !!

His contract should have a significant bonus clause for finishing first in our B+F. Most of the time, money is a good enough motivator. Dangle a carrot in front of Sylvia's nose and watch him bolt like a thoroughbred.

If Neeld is the Coach we are lead to believe he is, then i'm expecting to see consistancy from our inconsistant players.

If guys like Sylvia, Jurrah, and Bennell can start to become consistant players under Neeld then we're on the right track

If Neeld is the Coach we are lead to believe he is, then i'm expecting to see consistancy from our inconsistant players.

If guys like Sylvia, Jurrah, and Bennell can start to become consistant players under Neeld then we're on the right track

DemonWA if he achieves that with no.7 I will give him the" 2012 Coach of the Year Award".

I hope Beamer heeds his own sage advice and wreaking havoc on a regular basis.

I am tipping a big year for Colin just like I tipped it in 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011......

Touche RR, touche.

I, too, hope Beamer heeds his own advice. However, I hope it more for Col due to how damaging he could be, and I don't think anyone can really question Beamers drive and motivation. They can definitely be forgiven for asking such questions re Col.

DemonWA if he achieves that with no.7 I will give him the" 2012 Coach of the Year Award".

haha.

Old Dee - Jamie Bennells #1 fan!

Mark Neeld and Superman once fought each other on a bet. The loser had to start wearing his underwear on the outside of his pants.

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Neeld will be on to Col with a red-hot poker in hand.

Col is the gun we need to fire on a consistent basis. On his day he can be a game-breaker, but on any other day he seems sullen and disinterested. He is fast, strong, a beautiful long kick and has great hands. In short, he has the talent to be a top-liner, but he seems content with mediocrity. No doubt the new coaches will be searching for the right buttons to push to get Col up and about on a weekly basis. If they succeed (said more in hope than expectation) he could take the competition by storm. If they fail, he will continue to frustrate.

He's currently the best player on our list, but for whatever reason doesn't deliver as such every week. It feels like I've been waiting forever for Col to come of age. Continue to wait I shall...