List management

[Bruce Almighty 0]

If i recall correctly most clubs delist 4 -5 players each year in order to draft new talent.

I have had a look at our list and i think this year will be the hardest year to decide who stays and who goes.

I think the following players should fall into the selection criteria to be traded or delisted:

Delistings

Newton - He has had his fair share of chances

Mcnamara - Clearly not good enough and been on the list long enough

Campbell - We have enough ruck options

Lawerence

Johnston

Wonaemirri - depending on what is happening in his personal life - if he wants to play then i would love to keep him, but i have the feeling he wont.

Trades/Delistings

Bate

Dunn

Maric

Morton

Warnock

Kepp on rookie List

Evans

Promote to senior list

Nicholson

I think everyone else deserves there spots.

Thoughts?

[Disco Demons 92]

If i recall correctly most clubs delist 4 -5 players each year in order to draft new talent.

I have had a look at our list and i think this year will be the hardest year to decide who stays and who goes.

I think the following players should fall into the selection criteria to be traded or delisted:

Delistings

Newton - He has had his fair share of chances

Mcnamara - Clearly not good enough and been on the list long enough

Campbell - We have enough ruck options

Lawerence

Johnston

Wonaemirri - depending on what is happening in his personal life - if he wants to play then i would love to keep him, but i have the feeling he wont.

Trades/Delistings

Bate

Dunn

Maric

Morton

Warnock

Kepp on rookie List

Evans

Promote to senior list

Nicholson

I think everyone else deserves there spots.

Thoughts?

Morton must stay...he is still developing.

Keep Nicholson on the rookie list....Give him Newtons number.

Following should go.

Newton

Mcnamara

Campbell

Trade/Delist

Bate

Dunn

Maric

Warnock

Wonaemirri- if he doesn't return in resonable shape...delist.

[Neita3000 37]

Really need to see who is in and out on contract to get a good grasp on it imo

[hardtack 10,547]

We currently have such a young and talented list that is still in its developmental stage, so do we really need to delist just for the sake of delisting. We will need to keep as much experience as possible for at least one more season I would have thought.

[davey_magik 1]

Didn't we draft Lawrence last year? That would mean he's on a two year rookie contract so I don't see the point of delisting a rookie one year into his career unless it was a mutual agreement.

I think there might be a few clubs interested in Warnock and possibly Bate, I'd like to keep Warnock for depth TBH but I think he'll want to play regularly somewhere else.

[Sir Why You Little 37,046]

Maric still deserves more time....He could be a real weapon once the core team is settled....Look at the crumbing Jurrah was able to collect from Watts.

[Bruce Almighty 0]

i neccessarily wouldnt want to delist anyone but we need to in order to use draft picks - if we dont use draft picks then we will have a flat spot in years to come wont we?

[Nasher 33,616]

I'd like to keep Warnock for depth TBH but I think he'll want to play regularly somewhere else.

And if the depth isn't required (like it mostly hasn't been this year even when Garland went down)? A third consecutive year playing mostly for Casey. You've touched on the fact that Matty wouldn't want that, but I don't think the club would want it either. You've then got a bloke filling up a valuable spot on the list, who isn't being played, who has little improvement left in him, who will never again be part of our regular side.

If you're on the north side of 25 and you're a regular for Casey then your career has gone badly in the wrong direction. You're not depth, you're just a guy who is no longer good enough. Warnock fits this description, as do Bate and Dunn.

[jabberwocky 2,301]

Got this from another forum source but cannot vouch for its accuracy but looks about right.

Uncontracted at end 2011

Jake Fitzpatrick

Max Gawn

Addam Maric

Stefan Martin

Cale Morton

Tom Scully

Colin Sylvia

Austin Wonaeamirri

Players contracted to end 2012

Rohan Bail

Clint Bartram

Matthew Bate

Jamie Bennell

Sam Blease

Lucas Cook

Troy Davis

Lynden Dunn

Colin Garland

Jeremy Howe

Mark Jamar

Neville Jetta

Nathan Jones

Liam Jurrah

Tom McDonald

Jordie McKenzie

Brent Moloney

Ricky Petterd

Jared Rivers

Jake Spencer

James Strauss

Luke Tapscott

Jack Trengove

Matthew Warnock

Players contracted until 2013 are:

Aaron Davey

Jack Grimes

Jordan Gysberts

Jack Watts

Frawley is contracted until 2014

Still have Nicholson and potentially Evans to be promoted from the rookie list.

Rookie Listed Players

Campbell, Robert (Rookie)

Evans, Michael (Rookie)

Johnston, Cameron (Rookie)

Lawrence, Kelvin (Rookie)

McNamara, Tom (Rookie)

Michael Newton (Rookie)

Nicholson, Daniel (Rookie)-Promote to senior List

Vets List ie doesn't take up position on main list

Brad Green

Unknown

Joel Macdonald, possibly coming to the end of a 2 year deal?

[dee-luded 2,959]

If i recall correctly most clubs delist 4 -5 players each year in order to draft new talent.

I have had a look at our list and i think this year will be the hardest year to decide who stays and who goes.

I think the following players should fall into the selection criteria to be traded or delisted:

Delistings

Newton - He has had his fair share of chances

Mcnamara - Clearly not good enough and been on the list long enough

Campbell - We have enough ruck options

Lawerence

Johnston

Wonaemirri - depending on what is happening in his personal life - if he wants to play then i would love to keep him, but i have the feeling he wont.

Trades/Delistings

Bate

Dunn

Maric

Morton

Warnock

Kepp on rookie List

Evans

Promote to senior list

Nicholson

I think everyone else deserves there spots.

Thoughts?

Delistings

Newton - He has had his fair share of chances

Mcnamara - Clearly not good enough and been on the list long enough

Campbell, (KEEP),,,I ca't see we'd only rookie him for just the one year unless he totally breaks down. He's doing his role currently IMO. Mature backup & teaching.

Lawerence, (KEEP),,,he's looked good and dangerous to me...

Wonaemirri, (KEEP),,,

Trades/Delistings

Bate

Dunn

Maric

Morton

Warnock

Promote to senior list

Nicholson / Evans

[Jordie_tackles 354]

I thought that Jamar only signed a 1 year extension? anyone know?

I also believe it will be hard to upgrade Nicholson and Evans unfortunately

Delist Maric and Wonna? harsh on Wonna

Upgrade the Rush to the Veterans list with Green

thats three before we potentially trade anyone

[Dappa Dan 2,188]

Just watched Footy Classified on IQ where the Dean Brogan retirement story popped up... And it got me thinking.

Before jumping on my back, and everyone beating their chests, I'm wondering what everyone thinks Port would be willing to part with for one of our ruckmen...

Their first pick, if the ladder remains unchanged, will be pick 6. Followed, I think, by a pick in the late twenties or early thirties depending on priority picks.

They'll be desperate for a ruckman that at least has shown they can handle a full-time job in the position. They have 3 backups in Matthew Lobbe, Jarrad Redden and Daniel Bass (who, who and who?)...

So given our ruck list is suddenly the flavour of the month, with Jamar and Martin holding their own, and Gawn looking like he has a future, albeit a long-distance one... who on our list would get what?

For the record, I doubt Port would be willing to part with many picks, simply because THAT'S how you rebuild a team, and lord knows they need a rebuild. I also don't by any means advocate moving on any of our players... But since EVERY player has their price, I think it'd be an interesting exercise... for no other reason than for us to do the football equivalent of cackling whilst sitting on an open chest full of gold...

Do we think someone like Martin could find a home there for their second pick? Or a player? What about Spencer, who has been injured but was previously rated as our backup ruckman? And the big one of course, Jamar, who is going into the prime of his ruck career, and given how he plays (not reliant on pace) looks like he'll have another 5+ years in the game... He has been linked with South Australian teams before... Could he net a pick 6? Maybe with a sweetener?

[Jordie_tackles 354]

Just watched Footy Classified on IQ where the Dean Brogan retirement story popped up... And it got me thinking.

Before jumping on my back, and everyone beating their chests, I'm wondering what everyone thinks Port would be willing to part with for one of our ruckmen...

Their first pick, if the ladder remains unchanged, will be pick 6. Followed, I think, by a pick in the late twenties or early thirties depending on priority picks.

They'll be desperate for a ruckman that at least has shown they can handle a full-time job in the position. They have 3 backups in Matthew Lobbe, Jarrad Redden and Daniel Bass (who, who and who?)...

So given our ruck list is suddenly the flavour of the month, with Jamar and Martin holding their own, and Gawn looking like he has a future, albeit a long-distance one... who on our list would get what?

For the record, I doubt Port would be willing to part with many picks, simply because THAT'S how you rebuild a team, and lord knows they need a rebuild. I also don't by any means advocate moving on any of our players... But since EVERY player has their price, I think it'd be an interesting exercise... for no other reason than for us to do the football equivalent of cackling whilst sitting on an open chest full of gold...

Do we think someone like Martin could find a home there for their second pick? Or a player? What about Spencer, who has been injured but was previously rated as our backup ruckman? And the big one of course, Jamar, who is going into the prime of his ruck career, and given how he plays (not reliant on pace) looks like he'll have another 5+ years in the game... He has been linked with South Australian teams before... Could he net a pick 6? Maybe with a sweetener?

Who was it Recuitto said in an article that Port should through 800K or more at Jamar in the off season.... apparently he has a Melbourne GF and has just started a personal training studio so is settling down

Martin i would want a pick around 15, if that what Jacobs got last year then MArtin is alot better than him on current form, Martin is huge for us as that versatile guy who can ruck but isnt pigeonholed in that spot

And you are right Port need a ruckman but can they give up their top draft pick?? i doubt it... Spencer who i think is coming along ok before injury?? may fit

[Guest Artie Bucco]

You'd have to have rocks in your head to want to trade Martin, he is the perfect 2nd ruckman.

Same with Gawn or Jamar, as one is our best 1st ruck now, and the other our 1st ruck of the future.

Spencer would be the go.

I'm just worried how much we'd get for him coming off a knee reco.

I think Port will go for Hamish McIntosh anyway, or Hawthorn might.

Goldstein is too good.

Jamar signed a 1 year deal that has since expired and the next deal he signed was long term.

Can't remember how many years.

[Disco Demons 92]

Got this from another forum source but cannot vouch for its accuracy but looks about right.

Players contracted to end 2012

Rohan Bail

Clint Bartram

Matthew Bate

Jamie Bennell

Sam Blease

Lucas Cook

Troy Davis

Lynden Dunn

Colin Garland

Jeremy Howe

Mark Jamar

Neville Jetta

Nathan Jones

Liam Jurrah

Tom McDonald

Jordie McKenzie

Brent Moloney

Ricky Petterd

Jared Rivers

Jake Spencer

James Strauss

Luke Tapscott

Jack Trengove

Matthew Warnock

interesting how we have so many players coming out of contract at the end of 2012...we should be starting to press well then?!

[rpfc 28,463]

Ok.

We need three deletions at least with Evans and Nicholson pushing for spots.

Warnock, Maric, Bate, Dunn, and Wonaeamirri will be vulnerable for differing reasons.

Newton is a rookie. That is the first time I have posted that in months but I expect it to be repeated often as some on here refuse to understand that rookies are not included in the three necessary deletions.

Edited June 28, 2011 by rpfc

[Guest Artie Bucco]

ARGHHH!

How many times does it have to be said? Newton IS NOT a rookie.

He WAS, but then he was permanently elevated to the senior list to take the position of Cameron Bruce.

Also, Warnock's contract situation is unconfirmed, but I believe he is out of contract at the end of 2011.

[Jordie_tackles 354]

ARGHHH!

How many times does it have to be said? Newton IS NOT a rookie.

He WAS, but then he was permanently elevated to the senior list to take the position of Cameron Bruce.

Also, Warnock's contract situation is unconfirmed, but I believe he is out of contract at the end of 2011.

I thought he was still a rookie and dont see how he isnt, we would have elevated him to the main list without all the rookie [censored] if we could no? hence waiting till start of the season? i honestly dont know

He is still listed on the club website as a rookie so maybe a tleast understand the confusion

[rpfc 28,463]

ARGHHH!

How many times does it have to be said? Newton IS NOT a rookie.

He WAS, but then he was permanently elevated to the senior list to take the position of Cameron Bruce.

Also, Warnock's contract situation is unconfirmed, but I believe he is out of contract at the end of 2011.

Huh?

Cam Bruce left a Vets spot open, filled by no-one. His departure opened up an extra rookie spot. That's probably where you are confused.

If Newton is 'on the list' it is because of LTI promotion or a mid-year promotion, and both of those are short term.

[Guest hangon007]

Can I bang some pots here. No wait a second I will see how this plays out between rpfc & AB.

[rpfc 28,463]

Can I bang some pots here. No wait a second I will see how this plays out between rpfc & AB.

Right now, your wasting internet...

[Adam The God 30,261]

Martin stays. I'd think about Spencer, but he doesn't have the value that the latter has obviously.

[ox_5 163]

Newton is a rookie.

I don't care if he is currently on the senior list due to the veterans rule, he is still considered a rookie come seasons end.

Let's hope I don't need to repeat this cause it really is pretty simple.

[jabberwocky 2,301]

Ok.

We need three deletions at least with Evans and Nicholson pushing for spots.

Warnock, Maric, Bate, Dunn, and Wonaeamirri will be vulnerable for differing reasons.

Newton is a rookie. That is the first time I have posted that in months but I expect it to be repeated often as some on here refuse to understand that rookies are not included in the three necessary deletions.

Bate and Dunn contracted to 2012 so some sort of deal would need to be struck.

I second your ideas on Newtown, he is a rookie for the purposes of the list.

[The Big Ticket 94]

We can't trade Martin Dappa, way too much upside IMO. We'd be going backwards trading him to Poort.