Correct me if I am wrong but it is my opinion that the only reason PJ is training with us is that we missed out on David Hale. Surely to god if we got him then it would have been curtains for PJ. FWIW keeping an experienced ruckman on the rookie list isn't a terrible move incase touch wood spencer is injured again .. as usual and somthing happens to Jamar I would rather PJ than rely on Newton and Dunn. I don't think Gawn is ready to come in and be #1 ruckman yet so if it's only for a year I see no problem with it.

Correct me if I am wrong but it is my opinion that the only reason PJ is training with us is that we missed out on David Hale. Surely to god if we got him then it would have been curtains for PJ. FWIW keeping an experienced ruckman on the rookie list isn't a terrible move incase touch wood spencer is injured again .. as usual and somthing happens to Jamar I would rather PJ than rely on Newton and Dunn. I don't think Gawn is ready to come in and be #1 ruckman yet so if it's only for a year I see no problem with it.

Again, Stefan Martin says hi.

We're already paying him. He's on our senior list. Why the hell wouldn't we use him?

We don't need PJ. We have enough back up. Jamar, Spencer, Martin, and Newton on the rookie list, are enough. That spot could be given to TMac or to another young kid.

Good question tu. Let us all know if you get an answer.

CS commented on the clash jumper last night...perhaps he can shed some insight into why Juice is still with us....or perhaps not.

CS commented on the clash jumper last night...perhaps he can shed some insight into why Juice is still with us....or perhaps not.

we can all guess pretty well why he is there, but the point was does he deserve to be there.

Did you miss the bit where he said "not really"?

no. did you miss the bit where I said "you could be" ?

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Just a few words on the players I know:

Alex Mcleod - Alex is a very light midfielder who has super speed and exceptional agility. He possesses one of the best side-steps of any player in Victoria. He is however a very poor kick of the football. He's technique is woeful and execution is very hit and miss.

Cameron Johnson - IMO he is one of the best players below his knees in Victoria. He is a well balance forward who can kick the ball a really long way. He does however bounce around packs like an absolute cat and doesn’t seem to have any want for a physical contest.

Just a few words on the players I know:

Alex Mcleod - Alex is a very light midfielder who has super speed and exceptional agility. He possesses one of the best side-steps of any player in Victoria. He is however a very poor kick of the football. He's technique is woeful and execution is very hit and miss.

Cameron Johnson - IMO he is one of the best players below his knees in Victoria. He is a well balance forward who can kick the ball a really long way. He does however bounce around packs like an absolute cat and doesn’t seem to have any want for a physical contest.

Again, Stefan Martin says hi.

We're already paying him. He's on our senior list. Why the hell wouldn't we use him?

We don't need PJ. We have enough back up. Jamar, Spencer, Martin, and Newton on the rookie list, are enough. That spot could be given to TMac or to another young kid.

Spencer and Martin have been a bit injury prone and I wouldn't like to see Newton as 1st ruck. I hope we rookie a ready-to-play 1st ruck - it's only one of 6 picks although I agree it does depend on which one we feel we need to use to get someone worthwhile. If there's no better alternative I'd definitely take PJ at pick 84.

Just a few words on the players I know:

Alex Mcleod - Alex is a very light midfielder who has super speed and exceptional agility. He possesses one of the best side-steps of any player in Victoria. He is however a very poor kick of the football. He's technique is woeful and execution is very hit and miss.

Cameron Johnson - IMO he is one of the best players below his knees in Victoria. He is a well balance forward who can kick the ball a really long way. He does however bounce around packs like an absolute cat and doesn’t seem to have any want for a physical contest.

Thank-you. Nice info. Nice balanced write-ups. Suppose at this level all players missed in the draft will have their deficiencies.

Now it comes down to which ones the FD think they can work with and iron out the weaknesses to an extent.

Spencer and Martin have been a bit injury prone and I wouldn't like to see Newton as 1st ruck. I hope we rookie a ready-to-play 1st ruck - it's only one of 6 picks although I agree it does depend on which one we feel we need to use to get someone worthwhile. If there's no better alternative I'd definitely take PJ at pick 84.

But nonetheless Spencer and Martin are on our senior list already. How many back up rucks do we need?

But nonetheless Spencer and Martin are on our senior list already. How many back up rucks do we need?

It is hard to say - ask Collingwood in 2010 and it's 0 ask Hawthorn and it's 6. For #1 ruckman in 2011 we've got Jamar, Spencer, Martin, Fitzpatrick, Gawn in that order out of potentially 46 listed players - are you feeling lucky? I do concede that there is also the issue of getting them all game-time at some level. If they're all fit then at least one possibly two will be playing Casey 2s. How many ruckmen do Casey have on their list? We'd ideally want them to have zero so we can play all our ruckmen but I can see why that may not be palatable to them particularly considering the general absence of MFC listed players in the last 2 VFL finals series.

It is hard to say - ask Collingwood in 2010 and it's 0 ask Hawthorn and it's 6. For #1 ruckman in 2011 we've got Jamar, Spencer, Martin, Fitzpatrick, Gawn in that order out of potentially 46 listed players - are you feeling lucky? I do concede that there is also the issue of getting them all game-time at some level. If they're all fit then at least one possibly two will be playing Casey 2s. How many ruckmen do Casey have on their list? We'd ideally want them to have zero so we can play all our ruckmen but I can see why that may not be palatable to them particularly considering the general absence of MFC listed players in the last 2 VFL finals series.

I feel that our current stocks are enough.

Let's be honest, if Jamar goes down, we're in trouble, regardless of having PJ on the list or not.

I feel that our current stocks are enough.

Let's be honest, if Jamar goes down, we're in trouble, regardless of having PJ on the list or not.

This thread simply highlights the absolute stupidity of the discussion about Hansen. The bloke was advised to retire and has a history of missing games through injury. We know PJ is not up to scratch either in ruck or forward. Look elsewhere, I say.

This thread simply highlights the absolute stupidity of the discussion about Hansen. The bloke was advised to retire and has a history of missing games through injury. We know PJ is not up to scratch either in ruck or forward. Look elsewhere, I say.

Agreed.

Spencer and Martin have been a bit injury prone and I wouldn't like to see Newton as 1st ruck. I hope we rookie a ready-to-play 1st ruck - it's only one of 6 picks although I agree it does depend on which one we feel we need to use to get someone worthwhile. If there's no better alternative I'd definitely take PJ at pick 84.

Agree with your thoughts.

I stopped pass training on Monday, and a few of these guys where training. The one that impressed me the most was a miny Matt Bate, short red head bloke, worked his arse off alwasy at the front of the group and looked like a hard nut. Does any one know who that would be?

I stopped pass training on Monday, and a few of these guys where training. The one that impressed me the most was a miny Matt Bate, short red head bloke, worked his arse off alwasy at the front of the group and looked like a hard nut. Does any one know who that would be?

that would be cameron johnston

Alex McLeod

footage here.. http://www.afl.com.au/News/NEWSARTICLE/tabid/208/Default.aspx?newsId=104488

looks very quick and loves to take the game on! wouldn't be disappointed if we took him

cameron johnston

footage here http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/102223/default.aspx

Alex McLeod

footage here.. http://www.afl.com.au/News/NEWSARTICLE/tabid/208/Default.aspx?newsId=104488

looks very quick and loves to take the game on! wouldn't be disappointed if we took him

It's hard to tell from a little highlights package, but I reckon this kid would run himself into trouble far too often at AFL level.

It's hard to tell from a little highlights package, but I reckon this kid would run himself into trouble far too often at AFL level.

Bits of it do give that impression, but his pace and attack on the ball and man seem like assets.

Just a few words on the players I know:

Cameron Johnson - IMO he is one of the best players below his knees in Victoria. He is a well balance forward who can kick the ball a really long way. He does however bounce around packs like an absolute cat and doesn’t seem to have any want for a physical contest.

..... Cameron would have loved playing for us the last 5 years in our forward line... "he is one of the best players below his knees in Victoria."

Plenty of fwds have made it in footy being "outside" players. Milne says hi for one.

cameron johnston

footage here http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/102223/default.aspx

He can kick a footy.

Alex McLeod

footage here.. http://www.afl.com.au/News/NEWSARTICLE/tabid/208/Default.aspx?newsId=104488

looks very quick and loves to take the game on! wouldn't be disappointed if we took him

Younger players with pace are often encouraged to take the game on, but when they hit tougher competition that tends to diminish.

He can kick a footy.

Looks pretty composed. Likes the long option to advantage - but they are only the highlights.