The Disciplined Dees

[DeezMan 4]

buying drugs for a friend off a known local drug dealer, regardless of the amount is trafficing, and if he(stokes) was not a local AFL player would have been charged for trafficing. The charge was not a joke, the end result was a joke!

Agree 100%.

If it was a Melbourne player they would have been executed ASAP.

[Daytona Demon 0]

buying drugs for a friend off a known local drug dealer, regardless of the amount is trafficing, and if he(stokes) was not a local AFL player would have been charged for trafficing. The charge was not a joke, the end result was a joke!

You're absolutely right, Stokes should've been sentenced to death by firing squad...

Edited September 5, 2010 by Daytona Demon

[Chook 15,022]

buying drugs for a friend off a known local drug dealer, regardless of the amount is trafficing, and if he(stokes) was not a local AFL player would have been charged for trafficing. The charge was not a joke, the end result was a joke!

Maybe you should go and live in Indonesia, where the laws regarding drug trafficking might be more to your liking. But first ask yourself what really is so bad about someone buying their friend a little bit of something that makes them happy, and please think beyond the fact that it's illegal.

Edited September 5, 2010 by Chook

[daisycutter 29,737]

. . . But first ask yourself what really is so bad about someone buying their friend a little bit of something that makes them happy, and please think beyond the fact that it's illegal.

Thats silly. If it is illegal then it is illegal, you can't think beyond that! Regardless of whether you (or me) think it should be illegal or not it is, and until people are prepared to face the consequences of their actions and accept some responsibility, we will keep seeing people potentially wreck their careers or lives. Standing on your soap-box is not going to help anyone

[Chook 15,022]

Thats silly. If it is illegal then it is illegal, you can't think beyond that! Regardless of whether you (or me) think it should be illegal or not it is, and until people are prepared to face the consequences of their actions and accept some responsibility, we will keep seeing people potentially wreck their careers or lives. Standing on your soap-box is not going to help anyone

But I'm asking whether you think it should be illegal. Perhaps that's not what you think you're talking about, but it is. If you believe that he should have gotten a worse punishment than he did, that's just a hop, skip and a jump away from my contention (although on the opposite side of the argument) that it shouldn't even be illegal at all. If you can argue that the penalty should be greater, can't I equally argue that there shouldn't be one at all?

Laws are only laws until they are opposed by enough people to get the law changed. What Rosa Parkes did was illegal, but she raised the question of whether there should be a punishment for something that isn't really hurting anyone. If something is considered "wrong", I think it's more than necessary to wonder what the world would be like if it wasn't. Otherwise, how could false assumptions ever be changed? Brendan Fevola has nearly wrecked his life legally multiple times, and Cameron Stokes has nearly wrecked his life illegally, doing something less damaging to himself than many people do with everyday consumption of legal prescription and recreational drugs. The only difference is the legality (often based on no more than historical convention) of the means by which said "destruction" has taken place.

Edited September 5, 2010 by Chook

[daisycutter 29,737]

But I'm asking whether you think it should be illegal. Perhaps that's not what you think you're talking about, but it is. If you believe that he should have gotten a worse punishment than he did, that's just a hop, skip and a jump away from my contention (although on the opposite side of the argument) that it shouldn't even be illegal at all. If you can argue that the penalty should be greater, can't I equally argue that there shouldn't be one at all?

Laws are only laws until they are opposed by enough people to get the law changed. What Rosa Parkes did was illegal, but she raised the question of whether there should be a punishment for something that isn't really hurting anyone. If something is considered "wrong", I think it's more than necessary to wonder what the world would be like if it wasn't. Otherwise, how could false assumptions ever be changed? Brendan Fevola has nearly wrecked his life legally multiple times, and Cameron Stokes has nearly wrecked his life illegally, doing something less damaging to himself than many people do with everyday consumption of legal prescription and recreational drugs. The only difference is the legality (often based on no more than historical convention) of the means by which said "destruction" has taken place.

For me, this is not a debate about whether it (whatever it is) should be legal

I was getting sick of people making excuses for other people who make bad choices and illegal choices (and not just once)

Arguing it should be illegal or not is avoiding the issue of personal choice and responsibily and consequences

This situation IMHO is not the appropriate place for this argument

Just my opinion

[Chook 15,022]

For me, this is not a debate about whether it (whatever it is) should be legal

I was getting sick of people making excuses for other people who make bad choices and illegal choices (and not just once)

Arguing it should be illegal or not is avoiding the issue of personal choice and responsibily and consequences

This situation IMHO is not the appropriate place for this argument

Just my opinion

Agreed. Let's just keep it to footy, then.

Go Dees!

[DeezMan 4]

Agreed. Let's just keep it to footy, then.

Go Dees!

Yehhhhhh... this thread was supposed to merely congratulate our Dees on having a squeaky clean slate in the public eye. Those clubs with the older average-age players could really take a leaf out of the "baby Demons'" book...

[e25 5]

Haahahahah hahahahaha

[Rhino Richards 1,467]

I'm really, really deeply uncomfortable with what is basically bragging about something that we as fans have so little knowledge of and less control over, and which is so immensely fragile.

I'm proud of the club's visible culture, I've been proud of just about everything I've heard from the club for a couple of years now.

But it's not a pride that goes to blowing our own trumpet. Your reputation isn't settled 'til your dead. Sometimes not even then.

Exactly right.

I was getting sick of people making excuses for other people who make bad choices and illegal choices (and not just once)

Arguing it should be illegal or not is avoiding the issue of personal choice and responsibily and consequences

Common sense.

[Guest Thomo]

Well, that's exactly why he was charged with 'trafficking'. He panicked. He would've been better off keeping his mouth shut until he got legal advice...Who knows?? I'm sure AFL players would meet all kinds of people with all the socializing they do.

Its a moot point really. Its done and dusted, and tbh there's far more pressing issues elsewhere to be concerned about..He's already had to experience the ignominy of being publicly shamed. So let's move on...

I heard a story about a person who was caught with some drugs, and was taken to the police station to be questioned. He called someone who was high up at his club in the middle of the night, that person at the club called the legal team that represents the club, mainly because they are personal friends with the a board member of the club, not because they are the best firm to handle the case. The Lazy legal partner could not be bothered getting out of bed, so he called an employee who was barely out of school to attend the station. He remained quiet and did not advise his client to do the same, as the player broke down and said that he was buying the drugs for his friends, he then went on to name six other players at his club, one who is rumoured to be looking to move north to work on his tan, as people who buy from the same dealer. Police loved the story, but could not take any further action due to lack of evidence. The club was not impressed with the legal team, and blame them for the problem. They are aware of the player behaviour, and have no problem with is as long as the team is winning.

Obviously this story has nothing to do with anything mentioned in this thread.

[daisycutter 29,737]

I heard a story about a person who was caught with some drugs, and was taken to the police station to be questioned. He called someone who was high up at his club in the middle of the night, that person at the club called the legal team that represents the club, mainly because they are personal friends with the a board member of the club, not because they are the best firm to handle the case. The Lazy legal partner could not be bothered getting out of bed, so he called an employee who was barely out of school to attend the station. He remained quiet and did not advise his client to do the same, as the player broke down and said that he was buying the drugs for his friends, he then went on to name six other players at his club, one who is rumoured to be looking to move north to work on his tan, as people who buy from the same dealer. Police loved the story, but could not take any further action due to lack of evidence. The club was not impressed with the legal team, and blame them for the problem. They are aware of the player behaviour, and have no problem with is as long as the team is winning.

Obviously this story has nothing to do with anything mentioned in this thread.

now thats what I call a good rumour . . . if I only could guess who was involved, hmmmm

[Steamin Demon 392]

Stokes wasn't 'trafficking' drugs mate.

He bought a very small amount of cocaine for a friend coming down from the NT. The charge was a joke, and even the courts understood that.

He's a good guy...

Nonetheless, its been good seeing our guys are keeping out of trouble in recent times B)

I also don't see the Travis Tuck thing as a 'discipline' issue. The guy had been receiving treatment for depression prior to this incident. You have to understand the cuthroat, high-stakes nature of being an AFL player and the effect this has on a lot of players.

Travis has been suffering from depression, and then he's virtually told his career as a footballer is over at the age of what, 21,22??

A little more sympathy wouldnt go astray..

Oh please !!! Firstly on Stokes 'He was just buying it for a friend' only a parent would believe this. He just happened to have a drug dealers number in his phone and only bought a small bag ?? If you buy and then sell drugs its called trafficking regardless of how you spin it. So I will show no such sympathy.

Secondly, I am no expert on depression but it is a fact that depression is a by product of drug abuse so claiming he is using drugs to combat depression is a cop out. The incident needs to be looked at for what it is, This stupid young MAN was using a drug by himself in his car so it would be safe to assume he was going to drive this car whilst under the influence of this highly potent drug thus putting people at risk.

This cop out is a insult to people who suffer from depression, So for Travis Tuck I am playing the worlds smallest violin.

[Steamin Demon 392]

1. Its a non event. Get over it.

2. You are right in saying that you're not an expert on 'depression', and I'd doubt you're an expert on anything at all.

You know 'nothing' about Tuck's personal circumstances. It is a known fact that people suffering from depression often use drugs and alcohol to try and combat often debilitating mood swings. The fact you haven't grasped this BASIC fact regarding depression shows you have no idea what you're talking about. He had been seeking help for a period of time leading up to the incident, so its not an excuse at all.

Your last sentence is just monumentally stupid, and embarrassing to be honest...

Are you his doctor? I doubt it. You seem to know alot about this, So please enlighten me into his history regarding drugs, Medical condition and depression because I seem to have trouble grasping it.

[Daytona Demon 0]

Are you his doctor? I doubt it. You seem to know alot about this, So please enlighten me into his history regarding drugs, Medical condition and depression because I seem to have trouble grasping it.

I actually deleted that post because I decided I cant be bothered talking to you..

Edited September 6, 2010 by Daytona Demon

[Steamin Demon 392]

I actually deleted that post because I decided I cant be bothered talking to you..

No worries Doc.

[DeezMan 4]

If I had've known this thread was going to end up like it has, I wouldn't have ever created it. :/

I'm uncomfortable with what is now being discussed...

High Tower Edit: So am I. Guys please be careful. I'll be editing any information as such.

Nasher Edit: Deleted quote.

Edited September 8, 2010 by Nasher

[H_T 3,049]

Guys, I have edited posts in a responsible manner. It is in the best interests for Demonland. Please be careful what you post and familiarise yourselves with the Code Of Conduct. And if you feel uneasy about certain information being posted, report it. Mods will see to it.

Ok E25, Thomo ?

[e25 5]

Fair enough.

I think I've probably been vague enough, but I'm not an expert in legal matters.

[DeezMan 4]

E25, please... you and a few others (but especially you) turned this simple congratulatory thread into a thread that is really a prohibited subject matter.

You are to blame; no one else. So don't go around blaming others.

DeezMan Edit: Nice to see you deleted quoted post. Well done young man.

Nasher Edit: Deleted quoted post

Edited September 8, 2010 by Nasher

[Rhino Richards 1,467]

E25, please... you and a few others (but especially you) turned this simple congratulatory thread into a thread that is really a prohibited subject matter.

You are to blame; no one else. So don't go around blaming others.

Edit: Nice to see you deleted quoted post. Well done young man.

He didn't I did.

And i think you are spot on the money Deez.

[e25 5]

E25, please... you and a few others (but especially you) turned this simple congratulatory thread into a thread that is really a prohibited subject matter.

You are to blame; no one else. So don't go around blaming others.

Edit: Nice to see you deleted quoted post. Well done young man.

No, this is a thread congratulating players on having not been caught for anything.

Neither you or I know what they really get up to in their spare time.

I'm not blaming anyone for anything, merely pointing out that the thread is based on a false premise.

You seem unable to grasp that.

[Guest Rojik of the Arctic]

No, this is a thread congratulating players on having not been caught for anything.

Neither you or I know what they really get up to in their spare time.

I'm not blaming anyone for anything, merely pointing out that the thread is based on a false premise.

You seem unable to grasp that.

I'm sure he gets it. He is (as I am) grateful that when a player is on the front and back pages of the newspapers for drugs, sexual assaults or alcohol fuelled idiocy it's not one of ours. It is you that doesn't grasp that whether a footballer spends his off time snorting coke off a hooker or visiting sick kids it is completely out our hands as supporters and as such we are just damn happy none of the bad stuff (if there is any) is making news and hurting the club. Surely it isn't that hard to understand?

[agent_orange 0]

I'm not blaming anyone for anything, merely pointing out that the thread is based on a false premise.

You seem unable to grasp that.

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Thank you for pointing this out. Now I can sleep at night.

The dees have been well behaved. A young professional outfit. Be happy

[DeezMan 4]

The people have spoken, E25...

Perhaps you should listen to them.