Bailey or Lyon

[Kaiser Bill 1]

My understanding is Dean Bailey received the coaching job because he planned to turn the list over and give us some time on the bottom giving us a chance to recruit the best footballers in the country via the draft. He has achieved that goal. Along the way has he convinced anyone that he is also capable of coaching a winning team?

DB has recently stated that he believes teams will be zoning more this year and we will need a game plan to break through zones. However I thought that was the style of 2008 when Hawthorn used zones to take the flag. Therefore I would suggest that type of thinking is reactionary and quite dalayed.

I think we need a new coach who can coach a winning team. A coach that will have innovative ideas.

How good would a Garry Lyon / Todd Viney combination be!

[45HG 1,559]

Who?

[Kaiser Bill 1]

oops. forgive the spelling mistake in Bailey

[LITTLE STINGA 1]

My understanding is Dean Baily received the coaching job because he planned to turn the list over and give us some time on the bottom giving us a chance to recruit the best footballers in the country via the draft. He has achieved that goal. Along the way has he convinced anyone that he is also capable of coaching a winning team?

DB has recently stated that he believes teams will be zoning more this year and we will need a game plan to break through zones. However I thought that was the style of 2008 when Hawthorn used zones to take the flag. Therefore I would suggest that type of thinking is reactionary and quite dalayed.

I think we need a new coach who can coach a winning team. A coach that will have innovative ideas.

How good would a Garry Lyon / Todd Viney combination be!

Wait to at least after rnd 1. I would hate to see Lyon as coach I don't think he is up to it. If we continue to play like we did against Freo then I would love to see Viney as coach.

[45HG 1,559]

Zones have been a part of footy for as long as I can vividly remember (yes, I'm relatively young). Are you talking about rolling zones? If that is the case, I don't recall Bailey ever mentioning them.

[Swampfox 190]

My understanding is Dean Baily received the coaching job because he planned to turn the list over and give us some time on the bottom giving us a chance to recruit the best footballers in the country via the draft. He has achieved that goal. Along the way has he convinced anyone that he is also capable of coaching a winning team?

DB has recently stated that he believes teams will be zoning more this year and we will need a game plan to break through zones. However I thought that was the style of 2008 when Hawthorn used zones to take the flag. Therefore I would suggest that type of thinking is reactionary and quite dalayed.

I think we need a new coach who can coach a winning team. A coach that will have innovative ideas.

How good would a Garry Lyon / Todd Viney combination be!

We got belted by Fremantle in Subiaco in a round 1 NAB Cup game

We were never going to win playing a first quarter like that

I wasnt happy about the atrocious fumbling either but no way do i blame Bailey for it

Hope your second post is more positive

[Guest Rojik of the Arctic]

Calling for a coaches head after 1 NAB cup game that runs under different rules and has each team trying to achieve/gauge different things is premature to say the least.

Of course I am disappointed but to say that things are rotten at the MFC after one hybrid game where youngsters were tried, seasoned players were missing and that was played in the middle of February 4000 kms away is nothing short of knee jerk. If things are the same come round 12-14 then I will agree with you but lets just wait until then.

[Kaiser Bill 1]

We got belted by Fremantle in Subiaco in a round 1 NAB Cup game

We were never going to win playing a first quarter like that

I wasnt happy about the atrocious fumbling either but no way do i blame Bailey for it

Hope your second post is more positive

I worry that DB will be offered a contract extension prior to the commencement of the season proper. This idea was floated in a news article published earlier this year. I don't believe he deserves an extension yet. I understand it is early and I would love to see him succeed. But I have my doubts.

If Lyon shows coaching ability with the young kids this year, then he should be considered as a candidate. I think it would be poetic if he could take us to our first premiership in ~45 years

[felixdacat 459]

Short Answer : Bailey

Long Answer : Bailey for now, to be revisted at the end of 2010 Season.

[Kaiser Bill 1]

Calling for a coaches head after 1 NAB cup game that runs under different rules and has each team trying to achieve/gauge different things is premature to say the least.

Of course I am disappointed but to say that things are rotten at the MFC after one hybrid game where youngsters were tried, seasoned players were missing and that was played in the middle of February 4000 kms away is nothing short of knee jerk. If things are the same come round 12-14 then I will agree with you but lets just wait until then.

My opinion is based on the two full seasons he has coached more than the freo game. Also, I am not hoping for DB to be removed, especially not now. I only want to see if anyone else has hopes in Lyon.

[Guest Rojik of the Arctic]

My opinion is based on the two full seasons he has coached more than the freo game. Also, I am not hoping for DB to be removed, especially not now. I only want to see if anyone else has hopes in Lyon.

Ahh, my mistake. I thought it was a Bails witch hunt.

[agent_orange 0]

Ahh, my mistake. I thought it was a Bails witch hunt.

Any coach whoses players show that level of skill at any stage should seriously be questioned.

[mordja 187]

Didnt take long to get a rubbish "sack the coach" thread up did it?

[jabberwocky 2,301]

Any coach whoses players show that level of skill at any stage should seriously be questioned.

Seriously what does that mean, just a throwaway line or can you explain it?

[Rhino Richards 1,467]

I only want to see if anyone else has hopes in Lyon.

No.

Closest experience he has has to coaching is hosting the Footy Show and runnning an end of season booze up in Ireland some years ago that went pear shaped.

[Cards13 9,117]

When was the last time Lyon coached a football side?

[Daz's Dee's 113]

Really i didn't see Dean bailey dropping simple chest marks and missing every second target.... thats simple skill errors not coaching!!

[iv'a worn smith 1,979]

I don't intend to make any comment about the coach or his staff. Only time will tell about that.

However, it is well documented that we have been and continue to be severely financially challenged. There was, understandably, a lot of optimism over the summer, given the quality (supposedly – of course the jury isstill out there) of the young talent we have in stock. All the club's key off field personnel and the coach put a very positive spin on our chances of being more "competitive" on the field this year.

But of course and as occurs with every club, we are continually told just how crucial our membership is to the overall, long term viability of the club. My membership is now into its 40^th consecutive year and barring unforeseen circumstances, I intend to continue to maintain that unbroken allegiance for several more years yet. However, I have to say, I get a little tired of seeing very little in return for my membership, other than promises of an exciting future.

For our first serious hit out for 2010, what I saw left me very disappointed. While I accept that we have a very young list, I would have hoped that there would have been a discernible and measurable improvement in the commitment of the playing group. Where does such commitment come from? I will leave others to judge that, but for a club that is at the lower end of the marketing and footy business spectrum, we had a real opportunity to give some real substance to the hyped expectations of an exciting future and provide a stimulus to our membership drive. From where I sit, there is nothing that I could take out of last night that would inspire. I wonder how a young person, considering whether to support the Dees or not and put their hard earned up for membership would feel, after witnessing what was evident last night.

Sure, we are a young side, but there are others within the ranks of the AFL who have had to battle financial hardship, turnover lists and rally the troops. Based on what we have witnessed over the last 2 weeks of NAB cup games, other than Richmond, our performance was by far the worst.

The time is over for excuses. I do not consider it possible to set the world on fire over night, but we as supporters and those on the fringe need to see more from this group of players. It is still early days, no doubt and that is self-evident, but we missed an opportunity last night and I can only ponder why we appeared so insipid.

Unless we see some real steel put into this side, the current administration cannot be surprised, if we continue to languish in the increasingly competitive world – both on and off the field –that AFL Football has and will continue to be.

I look forward to 2010, but the time has come to see real improvement and not just talk about it.

Edited February 21, 2010 by iv'a worn smith

[Keyser Söze 0]

For our first serious hit out for 2010, what I saw left me very disappointed. While I accept that we have a very young list, I would have hoped that there would have been a discernible and measurable improvement in the commitment of the playing group. Where does such commitment come from? I will leave others to judge that, but for a club that is at the lower end of the marketing and footy business spectrum, we had a real opportunity to give some real substance to the hyped expectations of an exciting future and provide a stimulus to our membership drive. From where I sit, there is nothing that I could take out of last night that would inspire. I wonder how a young person, considering whether to support the Dees or not and put their hard earned up for membership would feel, after witnessing what was evident last night.

There's your problem.

Its a NAB Cup match being treated as though it was Rnd 1

[iv'a worn smith 1,979]

There's your problem.

Its a NAB Cup match being treated as though it was Rnd 1

It was the club's first real opportunity to give the membership drive a kick along with a convincing and committed performance. We did not see that last night. Supporters have a right to expect a better performance. Practice matches at Princes Park are not televised. Surely you accept there is a difference in the way such matches are marketed to the public.

[Keyser Söze 0]

It was the club's first real opportunity to give the membership drive a kick along with a convincing and committed performance. We did not see that last night. Supporters have a right to expect a better performance. Practice matches at Princes Park are not televised. Surely you accept there is a difference in the way such matches are marketed to the public.

Marketing NAB Cup matches comes secondary to development of the team.

I posted last night, on the 'sack Bailey' thread that was deleted, a list of our players from the match and the senior games played by each of them.

That in itself should be an eye opener for you.

[iv'a worn smith 1,979]

Marketing NAB Cup matches comes secondary to development of the team.

I posted last night, on the 'sack Bailey' thread that was deleted, a list of our players from the match and the senior games played by each of them.

That in itself should be an eye opener for you.

It is patently obvious about the lack of experience and youth of our team, but we are not unique and we compete in the same market as the Kangaroos of this world, who gave their supporters a lot more to hang on to than our lot did.

You might like to read my post in its entirety, rather than pick one phrase and assert that my argument is any leas valid.

[Demon3 2,541]

No.

Closest experience he has has to coaching is hosting the Footy Show and runnning an end of season booze up in Ireland some years ago that went pear shaped.

Thats just a silly post RR, shows how petulant and ignorant you can be. Anyone who knows football knows that Lyon has a great knowledge and understanding of the game, and has alot of experiance in the game, coaching included.

[Strawbsodwyer 0]

what is our game style? I still don't know all I can see if overuse of the football. I was surprised to see we had players behind the ball at the start of the game, makes it very diffucult to put scores on the board and be direct with the football.

[rusty_kingswood 0]

I worry that DB will be offered a contract extension prior to the commencement of the season proper. This idea was floated in a news article published earlier this year. I don't believe he deserves an extension yet. I understand it is early and I would love to see him succeed. But I have my doubts.

If Lyon shows coaching ability with the young kids this year, then he should be considered as a candidate. I think it would be poetic if he could take us to our first premiership in ~45 years

Are you suggesting that Lyon would take this squad to a flag in the space that Bailey has left on his contract?