Pick 5 - Sydney what would it take to get this

[Guest hangon007]

The more I've looked at the draft order the more I think ... if we could get that pick ... our draft day could look like

2 quality mids ie Scully Trengrove

1 quality tall ... outside chance Butcher may still be there!!!!

So in that theory what do you think we need to do to get a deal done with Sydney?

I was thinking using Pick 18 and package a player

Edited August 31, 2009 by hangon007

[Ryan Dee 140]

As much as Sydney want to stay up the ladder and trade for current players, with the GC coming in they would be mad to trade their 5th pick. I think it would be very difficult to get.

[H_T 2,941]

I think it would take nothing short of a miracle to obtain pick 5 from Sydney.

[MikeyJ 60]

I think it would take nothing short of a miracle to obtain pick 5 from Sydney.

Especially considering they don't have it.

Sydney's first pick in the draft is pick 6.

Edited August 31, 2009 by MikeyJ

[titan_uranus 23,294]

I think it would take nothing short of a miracle to obtain pick 5 from Sydney.

Especially since their first pick is pick 6...

Edited August 31, 2009 by titan_uranus

[RalphiusMaximus 6,005]

Sydney have expressed an interest in Miller before. You might get something out of them for him but I doubt it would be their first pick.

[MikeyJ 60]

Haha, great minds think alike!

[H_T 2,941]

Especially considering they don't have it. Sydney's first pick in the draft is pick 6.

Especially since their first pick is pick 6...

Exactly my point. A miracle.

[Viney_12 1]

hang on ........... the swans want to draft a good propsect this draft, pick 6 allows them too.

[Dr Jekyl & Mr Hyde 0]

They wont be trading this pick - they're looking to rebuild.

[Akum 2,660]

They wont be trading this pick - they're looking to rebuild.

I'm not so sure, they've shown a lot more faith in trading than drafting in the past. I can't remember them ever having done a "from-the-bottom-up" rebuild either - if they did, they'd risk losing a largish chunk of their supproter base while they rebuilt, and they can't afford to do that with GWS18 coming. And it's terrible timing to be starting a rebuild this year, even though they have had a number of important players leave one way or another this year.

But you may be right. In which case if they are rebuilding they'd have to be trading FOR picks (first or second round), rather than trading AWAY picks - picks 6 & 22 and so on aren't going to give them nearly enough.

Edited August 31, 2009 by Akum

[Redleg 38,755]

So in that theory what do you think we need to do to get a deal done with Sydney?

I was thinking using Pick 18 and package a player

They would probably want either Grimes or Morton and pick 18.

There was some talk they were interested in Miller and Valenti. I am not advocating trading Jones, but Jones, Miller and Valenti and maybe a swap of late picks could get the deal done. I personally think Jones has improved a lot this year and is a much better player than previously. He is getting his disposal off and kicking the occasional goal.

If you did the deal you would want to be sure that the player you drafted was better than Jones.

[mauriesy 6,931]

They would probably want either Grimes or Morton and pick 18.

Which would be pretty stupid on our part.

We "buy" Morton for Pick 4, then two years later when he is on the verge of stardom, "sell" him (and Pick 18) for pick 6? We go back two picks and lose two year's development?

No thanks.

[Akum 2,660]

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There was some talk they were interested in Miller and Valenti. I am not advocating trading Jones, but Jones, Miller and Valenti and maybe a swap of late picks could get the deal done. I personally think Jones has improved a lot this year and is a much better player than previously. He is getting his disposal off and kicking the occasional goal.

If you did the deal you would want to be sure that the player you drafted was better than Jones.

This is more in line with Sydney's preferred way of going about it IMO. They're getting 3 known quantities for one unknown, and they'd think they could get more out of Miller than we can (might be right too). Valenti & Jones are the sorts of players they like, and while both have tons of upside (for them), they may struggle for game time in what will be a very competitive midfield (for us).

On the one hand, I love both Valenti & Jones and wish we didn't have to give up players of this calibre and type. On the other hand, realistically if we want such a huge prize as a first round pick, it's going to have to hurt real bad!

[Old Gregg 1]

Nobody will be giving us another first round draft pick. Let's be realistic. Unless we want to trade a Davey or a Grimes, we won't get a 1st rounder, especially given our current draft situation.

[rpfc 27,702]

They would probably want either Grimes or Morton and pick 18.

There was some talk they were interested in Miller and Valenti. I am not advocating trading Jones, but Jones, Miller and Valenti and maybe a swap of late picks could get the deal done. I personally think Jones has improved a lot this year and is a much better player than previously. He is getting his disposal off and kicking the occasional goal.

If you did the deal you would want to be sure that the player you drafted was better than Jones.

Grimes or Morton and 18 for Pick 5? In this weakened draft?

You are going to far the other way. Jones would do it by himself. Almost.

[Redleg 38,755]

Grimes or Morton and 18 for Pick 5? In this weakened draft?

You are going to far the other way. Jones would do it by himself. Almost.

I was saying what they would probably want.

[H_T 2,941]

Grimes or Morton and 18 for Pick 5? In this weakened draft?

You are going to far the other way. Jones would do it by himself. Almost.

What value would you put on say Nathan Jones by himself, rpfc?

[rpfc 27,702]

What value would you put on say Nathan Jones by himself, rpfc?

I don't like speculating on current players but if Nathan were keen to move and we agreed we could ask for a pick between 8 and 12 in this draft.

Any other draft and it would be 12 and 18 using my rudimentary math.

Jones and 18 might get 6 if Sydney are looking for ready made players.

[Guest Rojik of the Arctic]

I don't like speculating on current players but if Nathan were keen to move and we agreed we could ask for a pick between 8 and 12 in this draft.

Any other draft and it would be 12 and 18 using my rudimentary math.

Jones and 18 might get 6 if Sydney are looking for ready made players.

As much as I love the guy I'd rather Brock was offered ahead of Jones.

[Bring-Back-Powell 13,683]

Brock McLean, Neville Jetta/Jamie Bennell and pick 18 for pick 5.

[e25 5]

Excuse me, why on earth would we want to trade for pick 6 anyway?

I don't see any reason to, beyond the frenzied desire to collect draft picks of people who have little understanding of list development and the AFL system.

I'd liken it to the bloke who had 16 kids just cos the bloke next door had 15.

[Rhino Richards 1,467]

Brock McLean, Neville Jetta/Jamie Bennell and pick 18 for pick 5.

Lets give them pick 2 while you're at it.

One of the few trades that gets put here that actually screws MFC rather than the other way around.

[DemonDing 56]

Brock McLean, Neville Jetta/Jamie Bennell and pick 18 for pick 5.

???

[rpfc 27,702]

Brock McLean, Neville Jetta/Jamie Bennell and pick 18 for pick 5.

McLean and 18 for Pick 6 is not the greatest deal for us.

That one you have is abhorrent.

We're not Fremantle.