The Jack Trengove thread

[e25 5]

size has nothing to do with it...your talking about a number one pick...he actually has awesome skills

He won't push other guys off the ball, but he'll beat them to it and run all day.

[Doggo 32]

I rate Scully enormously, but anyone that thinks he's going to slot in next year and perform to the levels he has at juniour level is kidding themselves. Size will have a lot to do with it, in these early development stages. He simply won't be able to play the style of game that he does at juniors, and will be forced to play as more of a wide ball carrier in his first and second years.

Not saying he won't be effective, but we won't see him play to his full potential as an in and under midfielder until he gains at least another 5+kg.

Trengove will be ready to go come round 1, and his scope for improvement will be far lesser than Scully's. But what he''ll deliver now will be very very good.

[DemonDan... 77]

I rate Scully enormously, but anyone that thinks he's going to slot in next year and perform to the levels he has at juniour level is kidding themselves. Size will have a lot to do with it, in these early development stages. He simply won't be able to play the style of game that he does at juniors, and will be forced to play as more of a wide ball carrier in his first and second years.

Not saying he won't be effective, but we won't see him play to his full potential as an in and under midfielder until he gains at least another 5+kg.

Trengove will be ready to go come round 1, and his scope for improvement will be far lesser than Scully's. But what he''ll deliver now will be very very good.

Has anyone seen this

Note at the end how he calls himself a wuss and scared to attack the ball!! not good

Id be happy with Morabito or Trengove - but id much prefer Morabito

Edited August 29, 2009 by DemonDan...

[LITTLE STINGA 1]

Has anyone seen this

Note at the end how he calls himself a wuss and scared to attack the ball!! not good

Id be happy with Morabito or Trengove - but id much prefer Morabito

Unless this is a joke I don't know what you're going on about. He said he was like that when he was younger now he is hard at the ball, a lot harder than Morabito.

[H_T 2,941]

Unless this is a joke I don't know what you're going on about. He said he was like that when he was younger now he is hard at the ball, a lot harder than Morabito.

Correct. Demon Dan needs to turn up his ear piece one thinks.

[DemonDan... 77]

Correct. Demon Dan needs to turn up his ear piece one thinks.

No. Incorrect BS and HT. He's been trying to improve on that aspect of the game - which clearly indicates that it is still an issue and something that he needs to address in his prep for a game, mentally..

He wasn't hard at the ball while younger and is still addressing this. I dont have an ear piece HT - must be yours. Im not changing his words around..

The footage concerns me, I want someone who will go every time!

[demon_king 13]

I notice he's back in the Sturt seniors this week. The game is being played tonight, will be interesting to see how he goes.

[Old Gregg 1]

Has anyone seen this

Note at the end how he calls himself a wuss and scared to attack the ball!! not good

Id be happy with Morabito or Trengove - but id much prefer Morabito

How can you take these things seriously??? Lighten up

[DemonDan... 77]

I notice he's back in the Sturt seniors this week. The game is being played tonight, will be interesting to see how he goes.

Cool! Hopefully he goes hard!

Keep us posted if ya can?

[Demon Disciple 11,082]

I'd be very surprised if Trengove was not hard at the ball, given he was the SA Captain, and is playing for the seniors at Sturt. If he didn't go when it was his turn, or on a regular basis, he wouldn't have been a - given the captaincy and b - playing in the seniors.

What i understood from the footage, is that he felt when he was younger, he didn't go as hard as he could, so he now makes that a priority (which he does very well). He is plenty tough and hard, this aspect of his game is one of his strengths.

[DemonDan... 77]

I'd be very surprised if Trengove was not hard at the ball, given he was the SA Captain, and is playing for the seniors at Sturt. If he didn't go when it was his turn, or on a regular basis, he wouldn't have been a - given the captaincy and b - playing in the seniors.

What i understood from the footage, is that he felt when he was younger, he didn't go as hard as he could, so he now makes that a priority (which he does very well). He is plenty tough and hard, this aspect of his game is one of his strengths.

Im kinda a bit tongue-in-cheek about it if truth be told

Just giving the all-knowing HT a rev up..

Still, its something for the dees recruits to think about/look for in his game and something i wouldnt have been mentioning!

[H_T 2,941]

Nice to see you have now conveniently reviewed your mistake....lol. Back tracking and saying that it is a bit of tongue in cheek is a poor effort and nice cover up. It doesn't wash with me. Keep up the reviews.

[DemonDan... 77]

Nice to see you have now conveniently reviewed your mistake....lol. Back tracking and saying that it is a bit of tongue in cheek is a poor effort and nice cover up. It doesn't wash with me. Keep up the reviews.

No mistake..

JACK TRENGOVE ADMITTED HIMSELF, ON TAPE, THAT HE WAS A WUSS and that HE WAS ADDRESSING THAT ASPECT OF HIS GAME

(GOD I LOVE CAPITALS!! People will be drawn to this post..)

Im just playing it up a bit, cause its fun seeing you chase me from thread to thread to argue the point.

BTW- yeah, tongue-in-cheek, like saying Bennell will never change, after [censored] himself a month or 2 ago. (Hey, He changed as soon as he got to the lockers!)

Edited August 29, 2009 by DemonDan...

[Binmans PA 26,328]

Trengove will be an absolute gun and I standby my opinion that we should draft him, but as cynical as this seems, does anyone think we can actually keep him past 2 or 3 seasons? Watching Thompson, play for the Crows today, reminded me of what can happen. Players, also have seemingly become disloyal to clubs that have picked them, by wanting to return home as soon as possible. Reading all the trade threads, if any of the rumours are true about a number of players wishing to return to their home states, then this is becoming increasingly more acceptable. However, at the same time, I watched Gibbs today and I doubt he'll be one wanting to return to SA any time soon, so I suppose Trengove might stick around. We have to make sure we continue to develop a strong club culture, that makes these kids want to stick around. Thoughts?

Edited August 29, 2009 by AdamFarr

[Ryan Dee 140]

Trengove will be an absolute gun and I standby my opinion that we should draft him, but as cynical as this seems, does anyone think we can actually keep him past 2 or 3 seasons? Watching Thompson, play for the Crows today, reminded me of what can happen. Players, also have seemingly become disloyal to clubs that have picked them, by wanting to return home as soon as possible. Reading all the trade threads, if any of the rumours are true about a number of players wishing to return to their home states, then this is becoming increasingly more acceptable. However, at the same time, I watched Gibbs today and I doubt he'll be one wanting to return to SA any time soon, so I suppose Trengove might stick around. We have to make sure we continue to develop a strong club culture, that makes these kids want to stick around. Thoughts?

Valid point,

I think if we are where we want to be in 2 or 3 years time Trengove will want to stay on board. You wouldn't find a player in thr AFL that is so keen on going home that he would leave a team that is having a good crack at the flag :D

Lets not forget this kid is a goal kicking midfielder, a very valuable asset.

Edited August 29, 2009 by Mr Morton

[DEES 0]

I reckon if we picked up Trengove with our 2nd pick we will not see him leave us. From the way jack comes across, you can tell he has a different personality to scotty. I think he will remain faithful to whichever club picks him up ( hopefully us).

For me, i would compare this kinda scenario to Brad ebert of west coast, a massive buzz occured when he didnt go to an adelaide club, but now he has adjusted to being an eagle and resigned til 2012. I reckon both of these players are alike and will remain with their repsective clubs for their whole careers.

[Demondeb 8]

Trengove will be an absolute gun and I standby my opinion that we should draft him, but as cynical as this seems, does anyone think we can actually keep him past 2 or 3 seasons? Watching Thompson, play for the Crows today, reminded me of what can happen. Players, also have seemingly become disloyal to clubs that have picked them, by wanting to return home as soon as possible. Reading all the trade threads, if any of the rumours are true about a number of players wishing to return to their home states, then this is becoming increasingly more acceptable. However, at the same time, I watched Gibbs today and I doubt he'll be one wanting to return to SA any time soon, so I suppose Trengove might stick around. We have to make sure we continue to develop a strong club culture, that makes these kids want to stick around. Thoughts?

I read somewhere that his dad lives in Victoria and so he would be happy to come across - I did have Scott Thompson on the mind when I first heard about Jack but feel much more comfortable that he will stay - especially once we have a side that will be in finals and he will be part of our first flag since '64!!

[Hannabal 4]

Trengove will be an absolute gun and I standby my opinion that we should draft him, but as cynical as this seems, does anyone think we can actually keep him past 2 or 3 seasons? Watching Thompson, play for the Crows today, reminded me of what can happen. Players, also have seemingly become disloyal to clubs that have picked them, by wanting to return home as soon as possible. Reading all the trade threads, if any of the rumours are true about a number of players wishing to return to their home states, then this is becoming increasingly more acceptable. However, at the same time, I watched Gibbs today and I doubt he'll be one wanting to return to SA any time soon, so I suppose Trengove might stick around. We have to make sure we continue to develop a strong club culture, that makes these kids want to stick around. Thoughts?

I never really understand such a pessimistic stance.

We've had Rivers, Walsh, Brown, Bell, Ingerson, and countless other South Australians that have never wanted to go home, but some supporters still get spooked over the 'go home' factor. We even had Darren Kowal who we wanted to ship home to WA and still couldn't get rid of him. An ex-Board member told me that Scott Thompson only went home because he couldn't stand Daniher. Make of that what you will. Also, it's not easy to get back to SA. They're rarely at the bottom of the ladder, so if you refuse to trade them what are they going to do ? Pavlich is from SA and at the biggest basket case club in the AFL and thus far he's remained with the club that drafted him.

I have no concerns over the go home factor when it comes to Trengove. None.

[H_T 2,941]

You really take the cake DemonDan. Nice to see you amusing yourself. I won't go on about your little games any longer after this, this is what you said.

Has anyone seen this

Note at the end how he calls himself a wuss and scared to attack the ball!! not good

Truth of the matter is he referred to himself as a wuss when younger, since then he toughened up. Hence why BS & I queried you, no need to twist things around: -

Unless this is a joke I don't know what you're going on about. He said he was like that when he was younger now he is hard at the ball, a lot harder than Morabito.

No. Incorrect BS and HT.

YOU are the one who is incorrect.

Now this is where you twist it around to suit yourself: -

No mistake..

JACK TRENGOVE ADMITTED HIMSELF, ON TAPE, THAT HE WAS A WUSS and that HE WAS ADDRESSING THAT ASPECT OF HIS GAME

Im just playing it up a bit, cause its fun seeing you chase me from thread to thread to argue the point.

Good luck in the next playful game of yours.

GO DEES.

[Demon Disciple 11,082]

A big reason why Scott Thompson left was because Daniher refused to play him. He wasn't getting anywhere near the amount of game time he should have. An old school mate of mine's cousin was his girlfriend at the time (no joke), and besides being a bit homesick, Scott was not too fond of the relationship he had with Daniher, and was a big reason in why he left.

[Binmans PA 26,328]

I read somewhere that his dad lives in Victoria and so he would be happy to come across - I did have Scott Thompson on the mind when I first heard about Jack but feel much more comfortable that he will stay - especially once we have a side that will be in finals and he will be part of our first flag since '64!!

Hmm, the thing about this is, how close are he and his Dad? Anywho, I read this on Demonland too, but still have some worries.

[Binmans PA 26,328]

I never really understand such a pessimistic stance.

We've had Rivers, Walsh, Brown, Bell, Ingerson, and countless other South Australians that have never wanted to go home, but some supporters still get spooked over the 'go home' factor. We even had Darren Kowal who we wanted to ship home to WA and still couldn't get rid of him. An ex-Board member told me that Scott Thompson only went home because he couldn't stand Daniher. Make of that what you will. Also, it's not easy to get back to SA. They're rarely at the bottom of the ladder, so if you refuse to trade them what are they going to do ? Pavlich is from SA and at the biggest basket case club in the AFL and thus far he's remained with the club that drafted him.

I have no concerns over the go home factor when it comes to Trengove. None.

Only Rivers out of those is a top liner who would have any value in his own state. He is one example that I tell myself, will hopefully mirror Trengove. As for the others, none of them would get a game for clubs in their state (with apparently the exception of Walsh, who we traded to Port) and Ingerson came to us having played for Adelaide. We were simply the only way his career was to continue. Whereas, someone like Trengove, who has such a bright future, both Adelaide clubs would love to lure him, so I'm not sure it's the same thing.

As for Pavlich, there are rumours he'll go back after next season. So as I said, if all these rumours are true, then there is reason to be wary.

That said, I hope you're right.

[Hannabal 4]

Only Rivers out of those is a top liner who would have any value in his own state. He is one example that I tell myself, will hopefully mirror Trengove. As for the others, none of them would get a game for clubs in their state (with apparently the exception of Walsh, who we traded to Port) and Ingerson came to us having played for Adelaide. We were simply the only way his career was to continue. Whereas, someone like Trengove, who has such a bright future, both Adelaide clubs would love to lure him, so I'm not sure it's the same thing.

As for Pavlich, there are rumours he'll go back after next season. So as I said, if all these rumours are true, then there is reason to be wary.

That said, I hope you're right.

I just gave some basic examples. I could have mentioned Simon Black who cried when drafted to Brisbane, but never went back to WA. Or Victorians Luke Power who stayed. Or Victorian, Leppitsch. Or the Victorian, Scott Brothers. Or Lappin. I could go on and on and on and on and on. But you'd probably highlight Des headland, who was the only one to leave.

Nearly all players want to be one club players.

The go home factor virtually never concerns me. And it certainly doesn't with Trengove.

[e25 5]

Only Rivers out of those is a top liner who would have any value in his own state. He is one example that I tell myself, will hopefully mirror Trengove. As for the others, none of them would get a game for clubs in their state (with apparently the exception of Walsh, who we traded to Port) and Ingerson came to us having played for Adelaide. We were simply the only way his career was to continue. Whereas, someone like Trengove, who has such a bright future, both Adelaide clubs would love to lure him, so I'm not sure it's the same thing.

As for Pavlich, there are rumours he'll go back after next season. So as I said, if all these rumours are true, then there is reason to be wary.

That said, I hope you're right.

Pavlich?

Come on, if Pav does go home to SA, the winner in that deal will be Freo. He won't come cheap, but he doesn't have many years left.

If we ended up with situation like his with Trengove it'd be a great outcome.

The numbers just don't back up this 'go home' paranoia.

All this fear-mongering is tiresome.

[DemonDan... 77]

You really take the cake DemonDan. Nice to see you amusing yourself. I won't go on about your little games any longer after this, this is what you said.

Truth of the matter is he referred to himself as a wuss when younger, since then he toughened up. Hence why BS & I queried you, no need to twist things around: -

YOU are the one who is incorrect.

Now this is where you twist it around to suit yourself: -

Good luck in the next playful game of yours.

GO DEES.

Posting at 9am on Sunday morning??

Did I leave you on the hook all nite? Sorry man.

Ya can edit up big posts all day.. I was playing it up a bit, but i didnt twist anything - the facts are there to see.

Ill be sensible for just a sec.

Here's the quote for ya:

"..So i have been trying to improve in that aspect of the game." (regarding hardness/wussiness)

My point was, 'it was mentally something he was still addressing'. Right. Yours was 'No, its history - not a concern anymore'. Right.

"Have been trying to improve" -his words- are in present tense, it supports the point i was making (obviously he must still be addressing it- he's the one who mentioned it) and ie: can not be a trend ONLY confined to his childhood, or the past.

But rather, something that has been ongoing since then (his childhood / past).

You're the one (not the kid himself) but YOU have decided he's toughened up and that the jobs complete (or there abouts) and you base your arguement on the opinion you created, that i or others might not necessarily agree with.

M'Kay.

So where was i wrong?

In fact I've made a correct assessment - not even an opinion - of the words Trengove himself used.

(My opinion for the record is - he's identified a weakness to work on, which is really good - going in Hard needs to be second-nature at AFL level- so keep improving, make it a strength!

Again, - Happy with either Trengove / Morabito - for pick 2.. just prefer the latter. Both should be stars.)