Melb North Melb Merger discussion

[Ho Chi Dee 0]

He thinks it would be to the benefit of the competition?

Merge the two clubs with the lowest support base in the country, disenfranchise half of each clubs supporters and likely be left with a total following equal to one of the clubs on its own.

And how tempting it would be for potential corporate sponsorship - the club that essentially represents no-one and no place and the club that is perennially viewed as down-trodden battlers up against the odds.

Instant powerhouse.

However laughable Jackson's suggestion may be, what it does reiterate is that our position is far from secure long term. It only takes a change of personnel at the top of AFL management for mergers and relocations to be back on the agenda - particularly if the code needs to look to tighten belt straps in the near future to absorb some of the financial pain of 2 new clubs.

We need to make hay whilst the sun shines.

[beelzebub 22,282]

Should he also suggest Adelaide & Port merge?

Adelaiade are falling away on field & Port are broke.

would they then be POWERADE !!

[stevenDEMON 0]

would they then be POWERADE !!

Nice

[QueenC 74]

would they then be POWERADE !!

Very clever Bub :D !!!

[Rhino Richards 1,467]

He thinks it would be to the benefit of the competition?

Merge the two clubs with the lowest support base in the country, disenfranchise half of each clubs supporters and likely be left with a total following equal to one of the clubs on its own.

And how tempting it would be for potential corporate sponsorship - the club that essentially represents no-one and no place and the club that is perennially viewed as down-trodden battlers up against the odds.

Instant powerhouse.

However laughable Jackson's suggestion may be, what it does reiterate is that our position is far from secure long term. It only takes a change of personnel at the top of AFL management for mergers and relocations to be back on the agenda - particularly if the code needs to look to tighten belt straps in the near future to absorb some of the financial pain of 2 new clubs.

We need to make hay whilst the sun shines.

Spot on.

It reminds me of the financial strength that was created in the Australian Insurance Industry when HIH (financial basket case) bought FAI (basket case) and produced the biggest annual loss at the time in Aust corporate history and the HIH Group sunk with billions of dollars of losses.

A merged MFC- NM hybrid non entity would only make it easier for the AFL to shove the mishmash organisation to somewhere else in Australia to set up another Club.

[Ho Chi Dee 0]

Spot on.

It reminds me of the financial strength that was created in the Australian Insurance Industry when HIH (financial basket case) bought FAI (basket case) and produced the biggest annual loss at the time in Aust corporate history and the HIH Group sunk with billions of dollars of losses.

A merged MFC- NM hybrid non entity would only make it easier for the AFL to shove the mishmash organisation to somewhere else in Australia to set up another Club.

The multi-million-dollar-misplacing Tasmanian Demonic Kangaroos has a nice ring to it, don't you think?

[beelzebub 22,282]

There are no red roos in Tassie... just grey... and possibly bluish ones...who knows

[45HG 1,539]

It's hardly because they've lost a few games - North have had issues for years.

One of the major problems for the Roos is that they've had [one of] the greatest players of his time in Carey, they've had success and premierships in the past few decades (70's and 90's), but where's the benefit built on the back of those successes?

Despite our lack of success we have a larger membership base (and far larger if you include all MCC members that support the Dees).

North have also played their ace, turning down the Gold Coast carrot to live or die in Victoria, and the white knights with their promised millions have failed to eventuate. Apart from an artificial spike last year, North's call to arms seems to have done nothing for memberships either.

In contrast, our Debt Demolition campaign injected significant funds into the footy Club. Despite our poor on-field performance over the past few years we've managed to break our membership record year after year.

I can't say I entirely agree with this.

Whilst it may be true at present, it ignores the fact that this time last year our membership was worse than their's is now and we were 5million in debt. We don't yet know if our membership is a fabricated spike likes their's was and the fact we have a few more unsigned supporters is largely irrelevant.

North have their problems, and I felt positive we could dig out of our situation whereas i'm not too confident about the Roos, but we shouldn't get too far ahead of ourselves- this time last year we looked just as bad, if not worse.

[Ho Chi Dee 0]

There are no red roos in Tassie... just grey... and possibly bluish ones...who knows

That's alright - add some gray to the blue, white and red of the clubs, throw in some green, black and yellow to represent the Apple Isle, have the team responsible for Port's away number this year and have a "sexy" club strip the Gold Coast would be envious of.

[Rhino Richards 1,467]

The multi-million-dollar-misplacing Tasmanian Demonic Kangaroos has a nice ring to it, don't you think?

I remember in the 1990's the Coodabeens had a merger team theme song contest where the entries from listeners were outstanding. There was one entry to the tune of "Road to Gundegai" after a team called North Footskildaroy.

Never been more apt than now.

[LITTLE STINGA 1]

It's hardly because they've lost a few games - North have had issues for years.

I didn't read about this last year their situation hasn't changed only the wins and losses have.

[beelzebub 22,282]

I didn't read about this last year their situation hasn't changed only the wins and losses have.

last year they were awaiting the beating hooves of white knights.... strangely they're still waiting.. so I might suggest things arent as you suppose

[Yencks 8]

what a [censored]...nobody gives a crap what you think jackson. you brought in a crap team to our comp. you stuffed us with our stadium deals...open your eyes. "relatively small" amount of people!! :angry:

you and jeff kennett think you have the right to stab us when we are down...you're not making any friends.

[H_T 2,941]

Amazing. Yet Demetriou has guaranteed 10 teams in Melbourne for the time being which included assistance. Does anyone remember this? Jackson should be more concerned with Port Adelaide.

[beelzebub 22,282]

Amazing. Yet Demetriou has guaranteed 10 teams in Melbourne for the time being which included assistance. Does anyone remember this? Jackson should be more concerned with Port Adelaide.

just ponder those words for a moment ...

done ?

add to that this is a man who thinks a team in west sydney is a goer !!

how do you feel now ?

just a question

[Ho Chi Dee 0]

I remember in the 1990's the Coodabeens had a merger team theme song contest where the entries from listeners were outstanding. There was one entry to the tune of "Road to Gundegai" after a team called North Footskildaroy.

Never been more apt than now.

Pity they couldn't have seen the Docklands development coming, there could have been a suburb named for the new entity.

The poor old Roy Boys.

[Al`s DEMONS 0]

I'd say he is a tad slooow off the mark here. Missed his chance by 12 months. We have a stable board, record membership, young team on the up, good sponsorship, massive debt reduction, and i don't remember North ever being a section of the MCC which might hamper that little suggestion of his somewhat

love your work

[diesel 420]

I think it says something for MFC and clubs like ours who have been on the ropes that we have been able to survive succesive AFL leaders who have lacked vision right back to Ross Oakley in the late 80's that have threatened, bullied and tried to bribe us out of existence.

Even Demetriou can see now that there is enough money in the game (earned across all clubs) to support teams on the GC and in West Sydney which will also loose vast sums of money.

[Rogue 585]

Whilst it may be true at present, it ignores the fact that this time last year our membership was worse than their's is now and we were 5million in debt. We don't yet know if our membership is a fabricated spike likes their's was

The major difference between the Club's membership tallies last year is that North were playing their ace and their membership record was a huge spike which, as predicted by many, has come back to earth.

Our membership has been increasing steadily over the past few years with conseuctive record-breaking membership tallies.

If you compare our membership with the Roos' pre and post-spike I think it'll look pretty decent.

the fact we have a few more unsigned supporters is largely irrelevant.

I do think it's a relatively minor point but I brought it up because it shows they're keen enough to buy a MCC membership - it indicates more commitment to footy than 'unsigned supporters'.

I'd also suggest that 'unsigned supporters' are more likely to get involved when the team is doing well (ie. prelim recently, premierships in the 90s) and North have failed to lure these supporters into buying a membership.

Conversely, we've broken our membership tally record in consecutive years despite performing very poorly. I believe it will only increase as we improve (ie. Hawthorn).

North have their problems, and I felt positive we could dig out of our situation whereas i'm not too confident about the Roos, but we shouldn't get too far ahead of ourselves- this time last year we looked just as bad, if not worse.

How about a couple of years back? You're comparing our figures with what was almost a dead cat bounce for North - of course they're going to look good

[beelzebub 22,282]

I think it says something for MFC and clubs like ours who have been on the ropes that we have been able to survive succesive AFL leaders who have lacked vision right back to Ross Oakley in the late 80's that have threatened, bullied and tried to bribe us out of existence.

Even Demetriou can see now that there is enough money in the game (earned across all clubs) to support teams on the GC and in West Sydney which will also loose vast sums of money.

Im not sure that Vlad sees further than his next big thing. Jackson is an imposter as concerned intelligence. Vlad realises, at least he does this ,that many of the directives in place and past f-ups are costing clubs. And so they , the AFL make easy of it and "bigheartedly" offer assistance. Big whopee do !! Its much of there doing. Jackson is a dill of the highest order. He taught Nero what to do. Vlad is anA1 student of same blarney

The unfortunate consistency is that the AFL continues to think for themsleves and fails to cede the reality , or proper respect ,towards the clus that nake the up the league. We are probably a thorn in their side, Imagine how cumbersome it must be that there is a club with more claim to the game than them !!

[demon85 17]

Sorry if there has already been a thread created for this topic but i just want to vent my frustration.

I was having a look www.superfooty.com.au while i had some lunch at my desk. I noticed that there is a poll with the question "Do you agree with Wayne Jackson that the Demons and the Kangaroos should merge?". I obviously voted no, but was surprised to find that i was in the minority. 51% agree that the two clubs should merge!

I know that the survey means absolutely nothing, but it still angers me! Usually its just the media writing complete rubbish, but it angers me even more that this is voted on by the football public.

I have complete faith in the direction the club is heading. Jimmy has really turned the club around, new board, successful debt demoliton, part of the MCC again (whatever that means? Yet to see anything from it) etc etc. I dont think the media or the public are even aware of the very large steps the club has taken.

Perhaps they should go and pick on St Kilda - they have fewer members than us and are at the opposite end of the ladder!

[beelzebub 22,282]

Sorry if there has already been a thread created for this topic but i just want to vent my frustration.

I was having a look www.superfooty.com.au while i had some lunch at my desk. I noticed that there is a poll with the question "Do you agree with Wayne Jackson that the Demons and the Kangaroos should merge?". I obviously voted no, but was surprised to find that i was in the minority. 51% agree that the two clubs should merge!

I know that the survey means absolutely nothing, but it still angers me! Usually its just the media writing complete rubbish, but it angers me even more that this is voted on by the football public.

I have complete faith in the direction the club is heading. Jimmy has really turned the club around, new board, successful debt demoliton, part of the MCC again (whatever that means? Yet to see anything from it) etc etc. I dont think the media or the public are even aware of the very large steps the club has taken.

Perhaps they should go and pick on St Kilda - they have fewer members than us and are at the opposite end of the ladder!

that would have been here 3AW Melb/North

[UncleJoe 0]

I was having a look www.superfooty.com.au while i had some lunch at my desk. I noticed that there is a poll with the question "Do you agree with Wayne Jackson that the Demons and the Kangaroos should merge?". I obviously voted no, but was surprised to find that i was in the minority. 51% agree that the two clubs should merge!

Surprised? Why? 52% of our loyal supporters voted for a merger with Hawthorn!

UJ

[Einstein 1]

Surprised? Why? 52% of our loyal supporters voted for a merger with Hawthorn!

UJ

Err not exactly.

See the Melbourne Hawks merger thread.

[Sir Why You Little 34,799]

Theres something very smelly about this Jackson crap...very smelly indeed <_<

Yes i found it very interesting that Wayne Jackson spoke of a merger the same day the Absolutely apalling stadium deals came out.

I don;t think it was a consequence & i don't think this Topic is going to go away until clubs either do re-locate or merge.

I don't believe the MFC will go but the GC17 team are yet to have a mascot. West Syd stadium is being built, while Tassii wait.

If the stadium deals are not sorted Quickly Victorian teams will not be able to afford to play-let alone survive.

I DESPISE THE DOCKLANDS STADIUM-have not been there since the Ox played his last game.