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You will generally find that well argued and well reasoned opinions will get the respect they deserve and will evoke healthy debate. You can make the argument - " I prefer an invisible coach who is concentrating soley on football. Let the media be damned and say what they want to say- we dont need to trot out our coach or players to defend or explain. Our actions needs to be counted not words". That would get healthy agrees and disagrees. Sorry but "Neeld likes the sound of his own voice" is personal in itself and got what it deserved.

Yep, those were four of the best possessions I have ever seen.

''That's a good start. And it will be interesting to call out Jack's name, for sure. I'm not sure it's ever happened before, so it will be a nice moment. But for him, it just gets started after that.'' Read more: http://www.theage.co...l#ixzz1sdb8iTiy There's no risk from their side - we'll take him with pick 3 if we're forced to - we know that, they know that, but apparently some here don't know that.

I would have him in the centre, but then moving forward. He's very effective around the half forward line.

too many heroes on this board get personal. destroy his argument with facts would be a better course. it really discourages me to want to post when other posters just want to humiliate fellow supporters

How does this work for you Jose?........

Something i dont think has been considered in the thread. If he is say about pick 5 and we know there is virtualy no science in picks after 1 or 2 just a lot of luck on how they apply themseves or develop, isn't the deciding factor that we have had him in our system for almost 2 years whilst the other draftees are going into the system cold. This must change the draft dynamic. In effect we have had the chance to get 2 pre-seasons into him and as the article notes he knows what all the meetings are about and the game plan etc. In effect it makes his pick comparable to a player picked a year or two ago. We know there is no way we get pick #1 this year even if we call the bluff. Best we get is the #2. Now is that worth letting go of 2 years of development for a #2? One of those years under Misson and Neeld? I doubt it. What we are really getting is a high draft pick with a significant head start.

Mids

Although he was dealing with: - jurrah's arrest - jim stynes' passing - accusations by Mifsud - criticism for being "too real" in a post-match presser that he is obligated to give That's a bit rich - I don't think he was looking for the cameras. The journos were chasing him. The other coaches have given pressers, just there's largely no one there. Remember when we were still at the junction, and Jim Stynes & Dean Bailey were bribing journos to attend by offering out bottles of wine? maybe you don't... And I've said it before - journos are a lazy bunch. Why venture to footscray or frankston, when you can just pop over a few blocks and get a story from the dees? They're probably there already cos of all the coverage they do of Collingwood - why not kill 2 birds with 1 stone? That's exactly what they do, and it leads to a boost in coverage.

An inefficient disposal doesn't equal a turnover (see this good thread on BigFooty). A 52% disposal rate isn't great, but it doesn't mean half Morton's disposals are clangers, it just means only half his disposals are of direct benefit to the team. Given the way our team has been playing I'd be surprised if many of our players' disposal efficiency was any better than that. Edit 1: Just looking at the stats: Daniel Cross had 28 possessions, 7 of which were clangers (i.e blatant unforced errors) which is 25% of his disposals, but has a DE of 82%. Figure that one out. Other players in the same vicinity as Morton for disposal efficiency were other hacks such as Nathan Jones (55%), Brent Moloney (53%), Adam Cooney (58%) and Matthew Boyd (58%). Edit 2: Morton also had 8 contested possessions, so the stats also refute your assertion that his possessions were "cheap". Furthermore, I disagree with your implication that there is in fact anything wrong with winning "easy" ball - uncontested possessions (as a result of run and spread) is something we severely lack. I'd love it if Cale (and indeed everyone) could get a few more "cheap" possessions; they might lead to some more goals on the bloody score board. Don't you just love statistics?

They don't have to believe he is top 3. All they have to believe is that we will take him at 3. To GWS and GC (and all non-expansion clubs) this isn't about getting Viney, it's about making us pay the premium price for Viney. And we will pay whatever price we have to - we are committed. 'Veale Deals' for both or Viney at 3 - these are the options.

Guys, everybody knows we will take Viney. For GWS to worry, they'd need some doubt. They also have lots of talent already. They'd get viney - a tought kid that we'd put 2 years into. They'd still do alright. There is very little risk for them and a relatively larger risk for us. There is no doubt and for them little to lose. Billy, I think that you are completely wrong with how you balance these issues. The other issue is urgency. We need to find talent fast because we risk having a black hole of leadership/experience. We are already on the way. I can easily imagine a scenario where scully leaving is typical: we get draft picks, they show a bit and leave because the club loses all the time and have no experienced role models that are any good. WE become an incubator for other teams. Hell, we are just about there now.

I would be blown away if we don't take midfielders with at least 3 of our first 4 picks. Absolutely we have invested too many draft choices trying to find the CHF of the century, but It's our mid field that is a shambles with holes everywhere.

As others have said, if we rate JV as top 5, we simply take him at #3. But if we rate him as 5-15, we call Sheedy's bluff and nominate him 2nd round. If GWS bite, they will then have to take JV at #1, handing the 'true' #1 pick (Whitfield?) to GC (who by the way will be their major competitor in the years to come) and the 'true' #2 & #3 picks to us. We get our early picks effectively upgraded by one, courtesy of Sheeds. TS, also courtesy of Sheeds, will have done us a favour by demonstrating the Vlad-approved behaviour for a #1 draft pick who really wants to play for another club. In his 2nd year, he refuses to sign a contract with the club that picks him #1, while making all the "right" noises, while pulling the club apart in the process, and playing at half-pace for the small part of the season when he's not "injured" (that OP can niggle for years, you know!), then he signs a contract during the trade period for the club he wants to play with. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. JV follows the TS script to the letter, and ends up with us in 2015. Everyone will know exactly what he's doing but, having so enthusiastically endorsed TS's behaviour, Vlad can surely do nothing about someone else doing exactly the same. So at the start of the 2015 season, Sheedy will have effectively given us 3 out of 4 top-15 picks (4 & 12 for TS, plus JV) in the best draft in years, while effectively upgrading our 2 top-5 picks by one position. In the meantime, his #1 pick in that same draft will have vanished into thin air, by means of the exact same strategy that he used to snare TS. So bring it on!!

If i was at a party and i saw a turd bobbing up and down in a punch bowl and i hadn't drunk any of the punch i would think it was hilarious.

Blues v kings Coyotes v predators Rangers v Capitals Flyers v devils A lot of fresh faces. Anyone's game!

You must eat a lot of brussell sprouts doc to come up with all that shyte..................or you could be just trolling again

I stand corrected

Errr...yeah That would be funny.

Somewhere between 3rd & 5th but I'm mentally sacred.

did you mean scared, scarred or sacred? I'm confused and I know your grammar is wanting.

Kyle Sandilands and for the older of you here - David Gates and Bread

I'm with you - Stay with your optimism - they are all a bunch of negative pessimists around here. (Toxic) Realists they will "claim" - mentally scared I say. Go Dees

You've just jinxed them, you know that right? Kobe seems pretty confident, says he expects to win the championship. But they all say that I guess. Patty Mills all the way (although I won't mind if the Heat get there). They've been resting their big 3 the last few games so Patty has had some good minutes, done fairly well too. The regular season is now over. The Charlotte Bobcats now have the dubious honour of having the all time worst regular season percentage. I think that means Jordan has now been involved in the best and worst seasons? Here's the first round schedule for anyone that's interested. WESTERN CONFERENCE - FIRST ROUND San Antonio vs. Utah Game 1 - Sun. April 29, Utah at San Antonio, 1 p.m. ET, ESPN Game 2 - Wed. May 2, Utah at San Antonio, 7 p.m., TNT Game 3 - Sat. May 5, San Antonio at Utah, 10 p.m., TNT Game 4 - Mon. May 7, San Antonio at Utah, TBD Game 5 * Wed. May 9, Utah at San Antonio, TBD Game 6 * Fri. May 11, San Antonio at Utah, TBD Game 7 * Sun. May 13, Utah at San Antonio, TBD Oklahoma City vs. Dallas Game 1 - Sat. April 28, Dallas at Oklahoma City, 9:30 p.m., ESPN Game 2 - Mon. April 30, Dallas at Oklahoma City, 9:30 p.m., TNT Game 3 - Thu. May 3, Oklahoma City at Dallas, 9:30 p.m., TNT Game 4 - Sat. May 5, Oklahoma City at Dallas, 7:30 p.m., TNT/R Game 5 * Mon. May 7, Dallas at Oklahoma City, TBD Game 6 * Thu. May 10, Oklahoma City at Dallas, TBD Game 7 * Sat. May 12, Dallas at Oklahoma City ,TBD, TNT L.A. Lakers vs. Denver Game 1 - Sun. April 29, Denver at L.A. Lakers, 3:30 p.m., ABC/R Game 2 - Tue. May 1, Denver at L.A. Lakers, 10:30 p.m., TNT Game 3 - Fri May 4, L.A. Lakers at Denver, 10:30 p.m., ESPN Game 4 - Sun. May 6, L.A. Lakers at Denver, 9:30 p.m., TNT Game 5 * Tue. May 8, Denver at L.A. Lakers, TBD Game 6 * Thu. May 10, L.A. Lakers at Denver, TBD Game 7 * Sat. May 12, Denver at L.A. Lakers, TBD, TNT Memphis vs. L.A. Clippers Game 1 - Sun. April 29, L.A. Clippers at Memphis, 9:30 p.m., TNT Game 2 - Wed. May 2, L.A. Clippers at Memphis, 9:30 p.m., TNT Game 3 - Sat. May 5, Memphis at L.A. Clippers, 4:30 p.m., ESPN Game 4 - Mon. May 7, Memphis at L.A. Clippers, TBD Game 5 * Wed. May 9, L.A. Clippers at Memphis, TBD Game 6 * Fri. May 11, Memphis at L.A. Clippers, TBD Game 7 * Sun. May 13, L.A. Clippers at Memphis, TBD ___________________________________________________ EASTERN CONFERENCE - FIRST ROUND Chicago vs. Philadelphia Game 1 - Sat. April 28, Philadelphia at Chicago, 1 p.m., TNT Game 2 - Tue. May 1, Philadelphia at Chicago, 8 p.m., TNT Game 3 - Fri. May 4, Chicago at Philadelphia, 8 p.m., ESPN Game 4 - Sun. May 6, Chicago at Philadelphia, 1 p.m., ABC Game 5 * Tue. May 8, Philadelphia at Chicago, TBD Game 6 * Thu. May 10, Chicago at Philadelphia, TBD Game 7 * Sat. May 12, Philadelphia at Chicago, TBD, TNT Miami vs. New York Game 1 - Sat. April 28, New York at Miami, 3:30 p.m., ABC/R Game 2 - Mon. April 30, New York at Miami, 7 p.m., TNT Game 3 - Thu. May 3, Miami at New York, 7 p.m., TNT Game 4 - Sun. May 6, Miami at New York, 3:30 p.m., ABC/R Game 5 * Wed. May 9, New York at Miami, TBD Game 6 * Fri. May 11, Miami at New York, TBD Game 7 * Sun. May 13, New York at Miami, TBD Indiana vs. Orlando Game 1 - Sat. April 28, Orlando at Indiana, 7 p.m., ESPN Game 2 - Mon. April 30, Orlando at Indiana, 7:30 p.m., NBA TV Game 3 - Wed. May 2, Indiana at Orlando, 7:30 p.m., NBA TV Game 4 - Sat. May 5, Indiana at Orlando, 2 p.m., ESPN Game 5 * Tue. May 8, Orlando at Indiana, TBD Game 6 * Fri. May 11, Indiana at Orlando, TBD Game 7 * Sun. May 13, Orlando at Indiana, TBD Boston vs. Atlanta Game 1 - Sun. April 29, Boston at Atlanta, 7 p.m., TNT Game 2 - Tue. May 1, Boston at Atlanta, 7:30 p.m., NBA TV Game 3 - Fri. May 4, Atlanta at Boston, 7:30 p.m., ESPN2 Game 4 - Sun May 6, Atlanta at Boston, 7 p.m., TNT Game 5 * Tue. May 8, Boston at Atlanta, TBD Game 6 * Thu. May 10, Atlanta at Boston, TBD Game 7 * Sat. May 12, Boston at Atlanta, TBD, TNT

Fair enough, I do remember your credentials. But I'm not so sure he could have been judged before the season began. Anyway, I have faith in him. Let's hope it's well-placed.

It doesn't matter! The coach should not talk! He should only converse in hand signals, face contortions, or possibly onomatopoeias like 'hurumpf' and 'arrghh.' Too much talk!

I've not been able to find it on the SEN website. Don't think it occurred.

I'm not sure it ended up happening.

I don't know... I think our balls are being cupped. I'll explain: Our ineptitude is the only reason why Viney is even a chance of being called out in the second round of the draft. As 1858 outlined - we have been pushed into a decision on Viney we didn't think we would have. We would have spent Pick 8 on him. And had Pick 9, 14 and 24(ish). Now we are looking at Viney at Pick 3. And have Pick 4, Pick 12, and 24(ish). Our draft lot has shot up significantly even if we don't get Viney in the second round... But it would be very good to get him in the second round...

Agreed. Too bad we didn't have him last season, he would have fit right in to our Round 19 side with a performance like that!

You're living in dream land if you think we won't take Viney with whatever pick we're forced to, and that Sheedy and Allen won't force us to use pick 3 unless we give them a reason otherwise. btw, I can even think and chew gum at the same time!

He has stints up forward which is fine but Sylvia's run and spread is exactly what we're missing at the moment.

OK I'll put up ... With acknowledgement to 1858 that the AFL might not approve the trades ... Here's offers too good to refuse: Our mid 1st round compo pick 13 to GWS for their 2nd round pick 23 and their 4th round pick 59 Our 3rd round pick 43 to GC for their 4th round pick 60 That's a nett for us of: In: 3, 23, 59, 60 Out: 13, 25 (Viney), 43 Gives us 3, 4, 23, Viney, 59, 60 in place of Viney, 4, 13, 25, 43, 61

So much rubbish. Just pick the best player available, which will be a mid. FORGET about pace, just find a midfielder who can win the ball and find the ball. If he has pace well its a bonus. So much crap about pace and athleticism etc etc bla bla bla. Just find me the best dam FOOTBALLER with a good football brain.

I like the idea of him using his pace and aggression to win the ball in the middle and give our forwards a chance. Goal-scoring midfielders are gold in today's game, and that is exactly what he is.

I say smalls all the way. We need some serious quality in the midfield, as well as a crumbing forward and a back pocket. We need to use our high picks to fill in these holes. We have more than enough tall timber in our forward line to see us through the next decade or so.

Mids all the way, didn't we draft KPT in Cook, Fitzpatrick & Gawn

If you know Whitfield is a clear 1, and Viney maybe a 5 the i imagine you would be very aware of how much better a player you will be gifting your closest opposition

So true . I find it ridiculous and totally childish when fellow posters "urge" others to do more on this site . If they feel so strongly about it they should go down to the club and volunteer their services . There's always room for volunteers at any club . I often think these "preacher types" probably do very little themselves . Nothing if the truth be known . I doubt if they even go to games . Just want to take anonymous potshots . Weak individuals . And tiresome . And I'm not taking aim at you 'Gonzo' . I got the joke ! And I'm sure you are genuine . Reminds me of a coach I had once had who went off his head about the low numbers at training one Tuesday night . We had to do extra laps etc etc but the players who weren't there got off scott free ! Go figure . He only coached for one year .

I agree with this If we're forced to take him with a low pick (a la 3) and he doesn't perform, we'll cop it left right and centre

x2...

OMG who cares?? If you want to be in the MCC - join!! Anyone can. If you don't, great.

What a nonsense - there a lots of other clubs that have their home at the G . The MFC offer lots of different levels of memberships and "clubs and rooms " like the redlegs etc with different levels of facilities that has nothing to do with the MCC. I would suggest that our attachment to the MCC plays zero part in influencing or attracting new membership.

I've never had a problem mixing with the common man Joe, I'm down to earth and I get nothing but respect from my fellow cretins. Us common folk can be civilized too Joe, may I suggest perhaps it is you that rub people the wrong way and perhaps your problem that you don't get respect. I feel you may put people off-side with your elitist attitude and your bowler hat and monocle?

Joe felt uncomfortable being amoungst the common man- their loud mouths and unwashed ways was a turn off. Joe swifty returned to the safety of the MCC, where his barret wearing friends were eating watercrest sandwhiches and proclaiming "nice goal number 11" followed up by a subdued round of applause and a sip of his English Breakfast twinnings.

Honestly prefer the GA to the MCC - my loudness isn't appreciated in MCC

Wow! you actually left the confines of the MCC area to venture outside with the masses; I'm impressed? Next thing you'll tell us you caught a train to the city. Good on you Joe, baby steps first.

I can't stand sitting In the MCC! Level 2 Southern Stand Red Legs area Is where you'll find me.

He was never great. I could not disagree more with your assessment of Davey's body language. I think he displays all traits of someone who has no confidence and is frustrated.He looks terrible on the ground and certainly not arrogant. The game has caught up to him and he struggles with it.