Permission to train list

[Bruce Almighty 0]

Current WAFL players Blake Broadhurst (Subiaco), Kyal Horsley (Subiaco) and Brad Dalziell (East Fremantle) have been given permission to train with AFL club Fremantle ahead of the draft period.

All three players starred in the 2007 WAFL Reserves Grand Final in September with Broadhurst snagging seven goals in a 15-point extra-time win to the Lions.

Horsley booted three goals in the contest, while Dalziell was also impressive with two majors.

Around the league, several Irish players are training with various AFL clubs, while delisted players such as Ashely Sampi (training with Melbourne), Darren Pfeiffer (Richmond), Callum Urch (Hawthorn) and Kepler Bradley (Fremantle) are attempting to reignite their careers.

Here is the full permission to train list released on Thursday by the AFL.

Adelaide - nil

Brisbane Lions - Patrick Garner (Brisbane Lions); William Hamill (Brisbane Lions rookie)

Carlton - Michael Shields (County Cork Ireland)

Collingwood - Kevin Dyas (County Armagh Ireland); Daniel Nichols (Collingwood rookie)

Essendon - nil

Fremantle - Kepler Bradley (Essendon); Blake Broadhurst (Subiaco); Clayton Collard (Fremantle); Brad Dalziell (East Fremantle); Ryley Dunn (Fremantle); Kyal Horsley (Subiaco); Calib Mourish (Fremantle)

Geelong - nil

Hawthorn - James Allen (Box Hill Hawks); Luke Barker (Box Hills Hawks); Nathan Batsanis (Port Adelaide rookie); Brett Collins (Hawthorn rookie); Sam Gibson (Hawthorn rookie); Tom Langford (Port Melbourne); Ben Sharp (West Coast Eagles rookie); Callum Urch (Kangaroos)

Kangaroos - David Trotter, Kangaroos

Melbourne - Daniel Hughes (Melbourne rookie); Alister Neville (Coburg); Ashley Sampi (West Coast); Jonathan Simpkin (Sydney); Peter Summers (Sandringham); Shane Valenti (Sandringham)l

Port Adelaide - Jesse Aish (Norwood); Lachlan Button (Glenelg); Tom Carroll (South Adelaide); Ryan Darling (Sturt); Aaron Day (Glenelg); Sam Fairclough (Woodville West Torrens); Nathan Grima (Central Districts); Daniel Havelberg (Central Districts); Matthew Jaensch (Sturt); Luke Jarrad (Woodville West Torrens); Scott Luders (West Adelaide); Alan Obst (Central Districts); Steve Wenman (West Adelaide)

Richmond - Joe Gazzo (Coburg); Andrew Horne (Coburg); Cam Howat (Richmond rookie); Lachlan McKinnon (Essendon rookie); Carl Peterson (Richmond); Darren Pfeiffer (Adelaide); Jarrod Silvester (Coburg)

St Kilda - Rohan Bell (Mt Gravatt); Michael Barlow (Shepparton United); Ben Woods (Riverview)

Sydney - Brendan Murphy (County Carlow Ireland); Matt O’Dwyer (Sydney); Jake Orreal (no previous club); Sam Rowe (Sydney)

West Coast - Ashley Thornton (West Coast Eagles rookie); Beau Wilkes (West Coast Eagles rookie)

Western Bulldogs - Cameron Lockwood (Williamstown); Scott Meyer (Williamstown); Liam Picken (Williamstown); Patrick Rose (Williamstown); Ryan Williams (La Trobe)

Interesting to see that Nathan Batsanis is training with Hawthorn...why is Hughes still training with us

[brey9186 102]

alister neville is interesting

remember watching him play for coburg in the VFL, is a big boy, not super quick, but did break away from a few packs, good delivery into the forward line

jonathan simpkin was a falcon, from colac, good hff/mid from whata i remember

[Nasher 33,617]

I find Jake Orreal of Sydney more "interesting" -- no previous club?

Wonder if any of the clubs would let me train?

[brey9186 102]

orreal is the 207cm kid they "found" playing in outback QLD or some crap

more like they hid him, and he gets a free place on their rookie list

[Demon Head 292]

No Stefan Martin at Melbourne?

[dazzledavey36 55,361]

al neville would be just like drafting simon godfrey all over again

[QueenC 74]

orreal is the 207cm kid they "found" playing in outback QLD or some crap

more like they hid him, and he gets a free place on their rookie list

Playing in Queensland means they would have to go and find him and if they think he is worth the punt then good for them.......

Swans give promising Orreal a run for his money

"Orreal was drafted to the Swans under a clause that allows players who have not been registered to a club in the past three years to be selected outside of the normal draft. "I am new to it," Orreal said."

[deanox 9,989]

Playing in Queensland means they would have to go and find him and if they think he is worth the punt then good for them.......

Swans give promising Orreal a run for his money

"Orreal was drafted to the Swans under a clause that allows players who have not been registered to a club in the past three years to be selected outside of the normal draft. "I am new to it," Orreal said."

very interesting clause. if you havnt played for 3 years you can be drafted by anyone...prob has never been used, and prob wont be again...

[The Fergburger 0]

please can we draft summers!

He might be a muture aged player (23yr old) but he one of the biggest engines i've seen from a player not playing AFL.

[mo64 5,881]

al neville would be just like drafting simon godfrey all over again

You are kidding me! Have you actually seen him play?

Al Neville has far more football prowess than Godfrey. He has awareness and good disposal, things that were sadly lacking in Godfrey. He's well worth a place on our list.

Godfrey playing 100 games of AFL football was an indictment on our club.

[Dalrot 85]

very interesting clause. if you havnt played for 3 years you can be drafted by anyone...prob has never been used, and prob wont be again...

I think it could be, alot of athletes can cross sports easily, take Dean Brogan for example.

[dazzledavey36 55,361]

You are kidding me! Have you actually seen him play?

Al Neville has far more football prowess than Godfrey. He has awareness and good disposal, things that were sadly lacking in Godfrey. He's well worth a place on our list.

Godfrey playing 100 games of AFL football was an indictment on our club.

yes i have seen him play plenty of times and his disposal lacks class and his pace isn't flashy at all.. yes good vfl player but c'mon if simon godfrey played a full year of vfl footy he would have carved it up and people wud want him drafted without even watching him play. If Neville is as good as people say then he would be on a afl list by now. i think u just judge him by what u read about him in the newspapers.

summers is just as good as Neville

[Nathan Jones's Hairdresser 7]

yes i have seen him play plenty of times and his disposal lacks class and his pace isn't flashy at all.. yes good vfl player but c'mon if simon godfrey played a full year of vfl footy he would have carved it up and people wud want him drafted without even watching him play. If Neville is as good as people say then he would be on a afl list by now. i think u just judge him by what u read about him in the newspapers.

summers is just as good as Neville

Neville was judged best on ground in the state match against Western Australia this year, he won a B&F at Coburg, came third in the 2005 B&F at Box Hill when injury sidelined him for half the season; and was Vic Metro vice-captain in the 2003 Teal Cup. Neville’s got a good footy pedigree but he does lack pace and this seems to have kept him off an AFL list thus far. But the bloke can play: he’s a good mark, he reads the play well, and he uses the ball cleverly. Neville reminds me a bit of Andrew Leoncelli and let’s not forget that Leoncellii was judged too slow and not up to it by Carlton. Plenty of good players have had to battle hard and overcome rejections to get on an AFL list, to get on Melbourne’s list for that matter: Shane Woewodin, Brett Lovett, Guy Rigoni, Anthony and James McDonald, Nathan Carroll just to name a few. I reckon Neville could well be worth a selection in a couple of weeks time.

[mo64 5,881]

Neville was judged best on ground in the state match against Western Australia this year, he won a B&F at Coburg, came third in the 2005 B&F at Box Hill when injury sidelined him for half the season; and was Vic Metro vice-captain in the 2003 Teal Cup. Neville’s got a good footy pedigree but he does lack pace and this seems to have kept him off an AFL list thus far. But the bloke can play: he’s a good mark, he reads the play well, and he uses the ball cleverly. Neville reminds me a bit of Andrew Leoncelli and let’s not forget that Leoncellii was judged too slow and not up to it by Carlton. Plenty of good players have had to battle hard and overcome rejections to get on an AFL list, to get on Melbourne’s list for that matter: Shane Woewodin, Brett Lovett, Guy Rigoni, Anthony and James McDonald, Nathan Carroll just to name a few. I reckon Neville could well be worth a selection in a couple of weeks time.

Good summation of Al Neville NJH. Sam Mitchell was another who dominated at TAC Cup level, but was initially overlooked in the draft due to his perceived lack of pace.

BTW DD36, being an ex Coburg supporter who lives near the City Oval, i've seen Neville play many times. I rate him and Valenti extremely highly.

[Demon Head 292]

Seven new players have been added to the Permission to train list including giant East Fremantle ruckman Michael Griffiths who is training at Collingwood. The 24-year-old who has spent time at Port Melbourne and Glenelg had a superb season in 2007, playing 19 games and leading the WAFL in hit-outs (487). The new additions to the list are underlined in the list set out below:-

Adelaide - nil

Brisbane Lions - Patrick Garner (Brisbane Lions); William Hamill (Brisbane Lions rookie)

Carlton - Michael Shields (County Cork, Ireland)

Collingwood - Kevin Dyas (County Armagh, Ireland); Ryan Colbert (Old Xavierians); Daniel Nichols (Collingwood rookie); Michael Griffiths (East Fremantle); James Wall (St Kilda rookie)

Essendon - nil

Fremantle - Kepler Bradley (Essendon); Blake Broadhurst (Subiaco); Clayton Collard (Fremantle); Brad Dalziell (East Fremantle); Ryley Dunn (Fremantle); Kyal Horsley (Subiaco); Calib Mourish (Fremantle)

Geelong - nil

Hawthorn - James Allen (Box Hill Hawks); Luke Barker (Box Hills Hawks); Nathan Batsanis (Port Adelaide rookie); Brett Collins (Hawthorn rookie); Adam Iacobucci (Northern Bullants); Tom Langford (Port Melbourne); Lukas Markovic (Box Hill Hawks); Ben Sharp (West Coast Eagles rookie); Callum Urch (Kangaroos)

Kangaroos - Jarrod Bannister (Northern Bullants); David Trotter, Kangaroos; James Wilsen (St George)

Melbourne - Daniel Hughes (Melbourne rookie); Alister Neville (Coburg); Ashley Sampi (West Coast); Jonathan Simpkin (Sydney); Peter Summers (Sandringham); Shane Valenti (Sandringham)

Port Adelaide - Jesse Aish (Norwood); Lachlan Button (Glenelg); Tom Carroll (South Adelaide); Ryan Darling (Sturt); Aaron Day (Glenelg); Sam Fairclough (Woodville West Torrens); Nathan Grima (Central Districts); Daniel Havelberg (Central Districts); Matthew Jaensch (Sturt); Luke Jarrad (Woodville West Torrens); Scott Luders (West Adelaide); Alan Obst (Central Districts); Steve Wenman (West Adelaide)

Richmond - Joe Gazzo (Coburg); Andrew Horne (Coburg); Cam Howat (Richmond rookie); Lachlan McKinnon (Essendon rookie); Carl Peterson (Richmond); Darren Pfeiffer (Adelaide); Jarrod Silvester (Coburg)

St Kilda - Rohan Bell (Mt Gravatt); Michael Barlow (Shepparton United); Ben Woods (Riverview)

Sydney - Brendan Murphy (County Carlow, Ireland); Matt O'Dwyer (Sydney); Jake Orreal (no previous club); Sam Rowe (Sydney)

West Coast - Ashley Thornton (West Coast Eagles rookie); Beau Wilkes (West Coast Eagles rookie)

Western Bulldogs - Cameron Lockwood (Williamstown); Scott Meyer (Williamstown); Liam Picken (Williamstown); Patrick Rose (Williamstown); Ryan Williams (La Trobe)

[Freddy Fuschia 747]

Seven new players have been added to the Permission to train list including giant East Fremantle ruckman Michael Griffiths who is training at Collingwood. The 24-year-old who has spent time at Port Melbourne and Glenelg had a superb season in 2007, playing 19 games and leading the WAFL in hit-outs (487).

Interesting player, mid 20's 206cm tall. Here's what Wisbey says about him - http://www.voy.com/51976/101371662.html

"206cm, 100kg (approx) ruck. Played U18s with Dandenong Stingrays in 2001 (team mate of Paul Johnson's), and trialled for the Vic Metro side that year, then went to Glenelg (SANFL) in 2002 and played Seniors there in 2003 but played 2005 in Reserves then went to E Freo after 2005. Very good WAFL Seniors form (ruck) since then.

Invited to 2003 state screening session when playing for Glenelg but, not suprisingly, returned a poor beep test and a shocking 20m time.

Been a steady improver over the years and a big improver since 2005.

As an 18yo, Michael was very immature (in the non-physical sense) for his age and was slow, awkward (even allowing for the fact he was still growing into his body), and a slow thinker but was excellent at hitouts and not too bad around the ground either (although often had hard hands). Had a disconcerting habit of not listening at the 1/4, 3/4 time huddles (not arrogance, just regularly distracted through poor powers of concentration). Used to do too much spectating and still does (for AFL).

Originally from Rowville, came from a financially disadvantaged background and had to do it tough compared to many other kids so I would love to see him drafted for his own sake.

Griffiths is very team orientated and has had a very good '06 WAFL season for the bottom team, averaging 11 disposals, 4 marks and 22 hitouts (4th best in the WAFL for hitouts per game). Woewodin got good supply from Griffiths all year. Good '07 WAFL. Griffiths is a long kick who was prone as an U18 to more than occasional shocking kicks but has improved greatly in that area, as he has with marking, over the years. I still wouldn't class his kicking or marking (against strong opposition) as particularly reliable though. He is much better at ball-ups, especially centre bounce, than at throw-ins. I think throw-ins require a bit more guile and that is not Michael's strong suit.

He loves his footy and is apparently a likeable, easy-going young man.

Regrettably, I'm not convinced he is made for the intensity of an AFL environment (on and off-field) and for sophisticated game plans. At 206cm, he is overall a very good tap ruck but not the type to be running up and down the field as the current style of AFL footy demands. I'm also not convinced he is all that well equipped to handle the scrutiny pressure and nastiness that AFL players can get subjected to.

Turns 25 in April '08."