1 minute ago, BW511 said:

Fair, I just meant they were following a fairly steady trend of improvement.

Yeah I get ya, my comment was just a tongue in cheek dig at the "Nepo Babies"

The GC draft points numbers are starting to point toward a Humphrey trade being the only option if they want Trac, Uwland (#2 - 2517) and Patterson (#4 - 2034) given they have approx 6235 points (including #7 for Flanders) which would leave only 1684 for Trac without Humphrey...

Acknowledge these figures are rubbery with discounts, and additional trades (Rosas and Ainsworth) but they only have Pick #7 worth of points for Trac and I haven't included another GC academy player in Addinsall who's predicet pick 24 (785 points)...

Another aspect is with Flanders, Rosas, Ainsworth and several delistings at GC, concentrating their picks to only acquire 3-5 players may cause them issues.

Humphrey has become key to them having a monumetal trade and draft season that would set them up for years, in Petracca, Uwland (#2), Patterson (#4), JUH and Addinsall coming in, resulting in improvements now (Trac and JUH?) and later (Uwland and Patterson) with the loss of Flanders, Rosas, Ainsworth and Humphrey. With Humphrey and maybe Flanders the only equivalent losses.

Gold Coast on Bailey Humphrey

Cornes: “Do you believe that Bailey Humphrey can meet with as many teams as he wants, but he cannot be traded?”

Edmund: “Yes, I believe that. I believe Craig Cameron, I believe Gold Coast and I believe Damien Hardwick, who loves this guy.

“I reckon this was one of the first guys he mentioned when he walked through the door! I can’t see a world where he is allowed to leave.”

As much as I love this kid as a player, really can't see happening.

I have no doubt this is just a cash grab to extend his current GC contract for some more dollars. Along with his manager, he'd be watching the Flanders contract offers at present and be completely aware it's a sellers market after signing his first contract extension fairly early in his career.

Obviously Trac coming in would put a squeeze on the cap however they will trade out a few, delist a few and pick up some incredible high end talent on smaller deals through the draft. So they will have cash to play with.

The meeting with other clubs/coaches is really just eye candy to put more pressure on the Suns IMO.

There was a really good post in the Derksen thread about how clubs can just burn players so easily and just like that, a career can be over and you're on the scrap heap. The days of staying loyal and wanting to repay/reward your club are diminishing each year with clubs just as likely to cut you or put you on the trade pile.

The players we target in drafts vs what we actually end up getting is grim reading. We wanted Humphrey desperately in 2022, threw multiple firsts at the Essendon pick, ended up with Jefferson. 2018 we threw up a future first rounder at Port’s pick to grab Zak Butters. 2020 we targeted Holmes with the Laurie pick. 2021 it was Wilmot with the JVR pick. 2023 we tried to get up from the Windsor pick to Watson. Fine margins, big repercussions, imagine if a couple of those players were on our list right now!

Oh well I can't see the trade happening now and that makes it very hard for Tracc.

2 minutes ago, Norm Smith's Curse said:

Oh well I can't see the trade happening now and that makes it very hard for Tracc.

Whilst it’s always been highly unlikely what these guys say doesn’t change the dial.

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Think we'd better start familiarising ourselves with draftees around the pick 6-7 mark

3 minutes ago, Greg Schneider said:

Think we'd better start familiarising ourselves with draftees around the pick 6-7 mark

you mean 10-12

I think GC are posturing to save face but deep down they know they have to lose someone of importance to gain someone of importance.

It's just the way it works in the trade game, you got to roll with the punches GC.

Just now, Demon Disciple said:

you mean 10-12

Exactly my MFC need a player like Humphries in return. Wouldn’t mind if we had a so called super draft this year

1 hour ago, PaulRB said:

The GC draft points numbers are starting to point toward a Humphrey trade being the only option if they want Trac, Uwland (#2 - 2517) and Patterson (#4 - 2034) given they have approx 6235 points (including #7 for Flanders) which would leave only 1684 for Trac without Humphrey...

Acknowledge these figures are rubbery with discounts, and additional trades (Rosas and Ainsworth) but they only have Pick #7 worth of points for Trac and I haven't included another GC academy player in Addinsall who's predicet pick 24 (785 points)...

Another aspect is with Flanders, Rosas, Ainsworth and several delistings at GC, concentrating their picks to only acquire 3-5 players may cause them issues.

Humphrey has become key to them having a monumetal trade and draft season that would set them up for years, in Petracca, Uwland (#2), Patterson (#4), JUH and Addinsall coming in, resulting in improvements now (Trac and JUH?) and later (Uwland and Patterson) with the loss of Flanders, Rosas, Ainsworth and Humphrey. With Humphrey and maybe Flanders the only equivalent losses.

Maybe not just Bailey, maybe this is where another player eg Jake Rogers cones into play

If we can get Humphrey, it would legitimately have potential to be the equivalent of Salah to Liverpool for 35 million pounds. Absolute Bargain

7 minutes ago, Demon Disciple said:

you mean 10-12

6-7 of the available players.

4 minutes ago, YesitwasaWin4theAges said:

I think GC are posturing to save face but deep down they know they have to lose someone of importance to gain someone of importance.

It's just the way it works in the trade game, you got to roll with the punches GC.

I don't think GC think that at all. Its all well and good for MFC to demand a great player (or one with high potential) in the deal but how many deals involving a star player have looked like that in the recent past?

I'm aware of steak knife players being thrown in with picks to trade for star players. But generally, its always just a group of picks like we've seen for players like Cameron and Danger for eg

I imagine once GC get the pick from Saints they will group that with other picks for Trac. That will be the offer as it has been for other A grade players in recent history.

If we're not willing to do that trade then I can see GC using that offer to go after Curnow or someone else and simply send Trac back our way.

We may or may not be posturing regarding Trac

Ditto Suns with Humphrey

Wouldn't be the first time players are traded after clubs categorically ruled it out a week earlier

Time will tell

13 minutes ago, hardtack said:

It's astounding that a club (GC) is trying to lure one of the biggest names in the comp, who is contracted, but have allowed their own assets to walk to other clubs, leaving them with only picks as trade capital. Flanders, Fiorini, Ainsworth all could have been the deal breaker we would consider. None of them as talented as Humphrey, but it's staggering that they haven't attempted to involve any of these three in a deal. Ainsworth remains, but is the least appeaing, given he is an undersized HF. GC knew the asking price and allowed their assets to vanish. Up to us to hold our nerve in the hope that they offer up Humphrey. If not, let them miss out. Do NOT accept a [censored] handful of meaningless picks for a superstar. Make them "pay up" OR let them have egg on their face.

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If we don’t do the petracca trade, watch the media knobs load up on us again. I’m sick of us being an easy target. Regardless of what we do, it’s always doom and gloom. Hopefully this culture reset starts a change. It’s hard to read it constantly and not let it affect your own psych.

If Trac wants to get to the Suns and Humphrey wants to get to us and GCS don’t want to do it then both clubs will have a player each that doesn’t want to be there. So just do it GCS pleaseeeee

5 minutes ago, Demongirl35 said:

If Trac wants to get to the Suns and Humphrey wants to get to us and GCS don’t want to do it then both clubs will have a player each that doesn’t want to be there. So just do it GCS pleaseeeee

Why do people assume Humphrey wants to get to us? Barring the casual walk around the Tan there has been no indication that Humphrey wants to come home let alone come to the Demons. Is this wishful thinking? Even the media vultures aren't feeding this dream to us.

6 minutes ago, Singa said:

Why do people assume Humphrey wants to get to us? Barring the casual walk around the Tan there has been no indication that Humphrey wants to come home let alone come to the Demons. Is this wishful thinking? Even the media vultures aren't feeding this dream to us.

I'm not saying it’s 100%.. but he did meet with Jones and King so there’s a tiny chance it could happen.

I'm just saying if he did want out and nominated us

1 hour ago, Greg Schneider said:

The players we target in drafts vs what we actually end up getting is grim reading. We wanted Humphrey desperately in 2022, threw multiple firsts at the Essendon pick, ended up with Jefferson. 2018 we threw up a future first rounder at Port’s pick to grab Zak Butters. 2020 we targeted Holmes with the Laurie pick. 2021 it was Wilmot with the JVR pick. 2023 we tried to get up from the Windsor pick to Watson. Fine margins, big repercussions, imagine if a couple of those players were on our list right now!

Add Georgiadis to that list too, right?

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42 minutes ago, Bombay Airconditioning said:

6-7 of the available players.

Exactly, the players available at so called pick 6 or 7 will still be there if the picks are pushed back to say 10 and 11.

Academy and Father/Son pick dont make the available players disappear, only makes them available later.

We could do worse than take 6+7, 2 of the better kids in this years draft.

I wouldnt be happy about it but we may have to resign ourselves to the fact that if we want Tracc out, this maybe what we accept.

Sure, we're looking to offload two stars of the game (formerly super stars), but given the Suns' midfield and our emerging midfield, I think we'd be an enticing prospect to Humphrey.

Playing next to Kozzy, Langford, Lindsay, Windsor and Bowey, but being the main man in there is a pretty good sell I reckon.

We want to play fast, we want to be aggressive, we've still got the best ruckman in the league, along with some hardener premiership players in Viney, Salem, Langdon, Lever and Fritta.

We also play our home games at the MCG and have recently won a flag. I don't think the sell is as difficult as some make out.

And the biggest point is the $1.5-2mill pa he'll be unlikely to get anywhere else and certainly not at the Suns.

2 minutes ago, Adam The God said:

Sure, we're looking to offload two stars of the game (formerly super stars), but given the Suns' midfield and our emerging midfield, I think we'd be an enticing prospect to Humphrey.

Playing next to Kozzy, Langford, Lindsay, Windsor and Bowey, but being the main man in there is a pretty good sell I reckon.

We want to play fast, we want to be aggressive, we've still got the best ruckman in the league, along with some hardener premiership players in Viney, Salem, Langdon, Lever and Fritta.

We also play our home games at the MCG and have recently won a flag. I don't think the sell is as difficult as some make out.

And the biggest point is the $1.5-2mill pa he'll be unlikely to get anywhere else and certainly not at the Suns.

I'd add to that, we can offer him quality midfield time that may be harder to get at GC.

If Humphrey was planning to return to Victoria/Melbourne in 2028 anyway, the question is "why not do it now, and build a legacy at a foundation club with a coach he knows?"...

For him its a "bird in the hand vs two in the bush" conundrum, now with MFC, or to a "better" club in three years. Assuming he can forecast who will be better in 3 years...