That was a pretty serious hit

There are ways to be aggressive

AJ got that one very wrong

Bagging a guy who’s played a handful of games and who could easily have kicked 3 goals yesterday seems a little odd. 2 weeks is about right. He’s shown more this year than Jefferson or JVR and that’s why he’s in the team. Is a long term prospect? Unlikely but he’s not our worst.

The right suspension. Worse than Mills’ hit last week. Absolutely deserves two weeks. Lucky he didn’t seriously hurt NWM.

Quite frankly, it was idiotic and he has to learn to be better than this.

2 hours ago, Jaded No More said:

As expected. He didn’t need to do that at all. You leave the ground and turn your body and collect a player high, and you’re in trouble.

Stupid from a guy fighting for his AFL life.

JVR to replace him

Why

3 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

The right suspension. Worse than Mills’ hit last week. Absolutely deserves two weeks. Lucky he didn’t seriously hurt NWM.

Quite frankly, it was idiotic and he has to learn to be better than this.

How is it worse? His size shouldn't matter. Mills arguably launched even higher than what AJ did. As i said above, deserves his fair whack. Now if by fair it is 2, im ok with that. So why does Mills get 1 and everybody is ok with it?

2 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

I'd like to understand how this was different to the Mills bump on Spargo.

It was worse than AJ's.

Spargo is missing weeks with injury, Wanganeen-Milera came back on the ground WTF MRO.

1 week would have been sufficient.

But let's make Melbourne the example.

Edited June 2Jun 2 by YesitwasaWin4theAges

18 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

The right suspension. Worse than Mills’ hit last week. Absolutely deserves two weeks. Lucky he didn’t seriously hurt NWM.

Quite frankly, it was idiotic and he has to learn to be better than this.

I agree that it’s the right outcome, but I think it’s harsh to call it idiotic. It was a split second decision by an inexperienced player, who is trying to impose himself physically. It’s a fine line to tread when that’s the brand you want to play and it was clumsy.

Kossie copped more in that game than NWM copped in the one incident.

Never gets picked up

OK for St Kilda to play the man but never us. Maybe Johnson thought that Kossie deserved a bit of a hand for a change.

1 hour ago, Ghostwriter said:

The two-match ban is about right imo.

What I have a problem with is all the talk on here about how we need someone crashing packs, no fear, grunt etc. We get AJ who fits the bill, he’s suspended, so now he’s dumb??? It’s a fine line he treads, let’s have his back.

Yes, jumping off the ground and bumping a bloke in the head is dumb.

Imagine this place if Maynard did this next week to one of our players.

37 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

The right suspension. Worse than Mills’ hit last week. Absolutely deserves two weeks. Lucky he didn’t seriously hurt NWM.

Quite frankly, it was idiotic and he has to learn to be better than this.

It was not worst than the Mills hit. It was the exact same thing. Same action, of leaving the ground and turning your body to hit an opponent.

Both actions were poor and unnecessary, and just as everyone here condemned Mills for his actions (myself included!), we should be doing the same for AJ. Mills made a split second poor decision and so did AJ. I don’t think either players were like “I’m gonna try and concuss this guy”, but both went too hard and too high.

They both deserve 2 weeks, and are lucky their opponents weren’t concussed or they’d face 3+ weeks on the sidelines.

I love the aggression and fearlessness that AJ brings to the contest, but this particular action is exactly what we want to stamp out of the game. He was always getting suspended for that, and if a Saints player did the same thing to one of our players, we would expect they got punished.

We can’t sugarcoat a poor action because a Melbourne player did it.

punish the action not the outcome - it was a definite 2 week job

A fair cop but a week early.

49 minutes ago, KozzyCan said:

Yes, jumping off the ground and bumping a bloke in the head is dumb.

Imagine this place if Maynard did this next week to one of our players.

Maynard has already done it and ended the flourishing career of Angus Brayshaw.

The AFL tribunal decided, presumably because he plays for Collingwood, that his actions were just fine.

Edited June 2Jun 2 by Dee-tonator
Typo

3 minutes ago, Dee-tonator said:

Maynard has already done it and ended the flourishing career pf Angus Brayshaw.

The AFL tribunal decided, presumably because he plays for Collingwood, that his actions were just fine.

Don't think what I said had anything to do with the tribunal.

15 minutes ago, Dee-tonator said:

Maynard has already done it and ended the flourishing career of Angus Brayshaw.

The AFL tribunal decided, presumably because he plays for Collingwood, that his actions were just fine.

Weak AFL leadership let him play in the rest of the finals series.

It is indeed an interesting problem.

I and others have been wanting some force and vigour shown but I think more than any other club we have an acute awareness of how that vigour must be applied. Therefore I think the club should publicly defend the penalty and institute some training protocols for all our players. We could ask the AFL to assist us in this endeavour by examining the many contradictory approaches of other players over the last few years, not just our club but all clubs.

We can also ask the tribunal for some assistance in this vexed issue and seek some clarity on the decisions of (the whatever title he has) Christian to explain the definition of football act and how that is applied.

Beginning players like JVR and AJ seem to be more harshly reviewed and sanctioned than other more experienced players, so perhaps the tribunal sees this as part of its development role. It could be reminded that older more experienced players in fact set the example of football acts and perhaps they need to be included in that training and development issue.

A file of Maynard and Collingwood vigour over the last few years would be an admirable place to start. I am sure there are some technological experts on DLand who could provide a folder of evidence.

2 hours ago, YesitwasaWin4theAges said:

It was worse than AJ's.

Spargo is missing weeks with injury, Wanganeen-Milera came back on the ground WTF MRO.

1 week would have been sufficient.

But let's make Melbourne the example.

Spargo is missing weeks with another unrelated injury

12 hours ago, Jaded No More said:

I agree, but also why waste the money on a challenge? AJ isn’t exactly setting the world on fire. What he did was stupid, and could have easily concussed someone. Given what Viney is facing and what we went thru with Gus, I have no issues letting him cop a 2 week ban.

The very big issue I have with him copping a 2 week ban is that forever and a day, the AFL have used the outcome determine the consequence. So often in the past, no concussion would equal no suspension. Typical AFL using the MFC as a scape goat. Watch a Collingwood player do an identical action to one of our players next week and get off scott free.

Many other players have been afforded this grace by the AFL tribunal of getting no suspension because no injury resulting. AJ has become like another Kossie goes to the tribunal / MRO, it will be an automatic suspension every time, because players in Collingwood jumpers are allowed to play with aggression, but ours are not.

Edited June 2Jun 2 by Rodney (Balls) Grinter

13 hours ago, GS_1905 said:

He should cop his fair whack. But we should challenge on the basis of Miles last week and the fact that Pearce knocks a bloke out and get it revoked. The AFL have absolutely NFI.

There you have it.

Mills left the ground and took a small guy out front on and a week as no concussion.

AJ came from the side and jumped up and bumped a 188cm player high and also no concussion.

How can AJ get more than Mills?

They tell us it is outcome based, except for no name players from lower profile clubs.

So if he knocked out NWM he only gets one more week, seriously?

11 hours ago, whatwhat say what said:

punish the action not the outcome - it was a definite 2 week job

Then so is everyone else who does the same, but that isn’t what has been happening.

Only one more week for concussing him, under the guidelines, really?

23 minutes ago, Redleg said:

There you have it.

Mills left the ground and took a small guy out front on and a week as no concussion.

AJ came from the side and jumped up and bumped a 188cm player high and also no concussion.

How can AJ get more than Mills?

They tell us it is outcome based, except for no name players from lower profile clubs.

So if he knocked out NWM he only gets one more week, seriously?

Perhaps the fact he has been suspended already this season was a factor.

3 minutes ago, BDA said:

Perhaps the fact he has been suspended already this season was a factor.

No, MRO graded it high impact even though no concussion. Mills force front on to a small guy was harder and more dangerous. I am happy with suspension as long as they are consistent which they rarely are.

28 minutes ago, Redleg said:

There you have it.

Mills left the ground and took a small guy out front on and a week as no concussion.

AJ came from the side and jumped up and bumped a 188cm player high and also no concussion.

How can AJ get more than Mills?

They tell us it is outcome based, except for no name players from lower profile clubs.

So if he knocked out NWM he only gets one more week, seriously?

It was exactly the same offence.

Roulette justice mate.

Hard not to be cynical or think there is bias a foot.

11 hours ago, Dee-tonator said:

Maynard has already done it and ended the flourishing career of Angus Brayshaw.

The AFL tribunal decided, presumably because he plays for Collingwood, that his actions were just fine.

Get it over it . Remember it was entirely a footy action. Like picking an opponent up , body slamming them and river dancing on their face. And maybe the pies hopefully going on to win a flag may have been a small factor. They lost any thread of credibility on that day and should never be allowed to forget such a great injustice that didn't cause a player to miss a couple of games. He now watches his mates from the sidelines. Forever.

I hope he takes a civil suit against as many as possible. As in a legal action.