10 hours ago, Oxdee said:

You do realise Adelaide finished 15 last year? It’s not unrealistic to think that dees can has a similar tune around

God I love the deluded optimism on here.

Absolutely everything is possible. Perhaps the tune should be last post

Edited 12 hours ago12 hr by Kent

34 minutes ago, spirit of norm smith said:

The clown show of Beveridge and Twomey want to continually try to push up the trades of Petracca and Oliver. They have zero interest in club loyalty as they hunt for the trade scenarios and how they can click bait through Gettable on the AFL app/website.

Trac to the Crows for pick 14 (pick 19-20 after academy’s/father son) and a 2026 1st round (again likely pick 18-19 likely). No way !! That’s the Dees getting shafted. Trac needs to stay. The Dees need him and I’m sure King has plans to get a Dangerfield type role for Trac !!

Agree, Petracca didn’t have his best season, but showed signs towards the end of the season he was on way back.

Pick circa 20 this year and a similar pick next year are a joke.

Another preseason into Petracca, a new coach, and hopefully we see him back close to his best!

Managed properly he can play another 5 or 6 years!

Whilst you obviously want to keep your better talented players I do wonder whether this has all become more a story about a tail and a dog.

If the club has a view to where it's going and how, and who will lead it , it also must be firm with the process.

Im not particularly suggesting any real mischief but hopefully King gets the opportunity to speak with players and put forward the vision whilst also laying out the reality.

Players can't be the ones in charge.

I do believe Tracc is essentially a mercenary player now. Again thats fine if hes playing well. I do think you play better when you're on board properly...

On 24/09/2025 at 10:55, demoncat said:

Cal Twomey reporting that Trac is open to a move to Gold Coast

10 hours ago, Oxdee said:

You do realise Adelaide finished 15 last year? It’s not unrealistic to think that dees can has a similar tune around

I can’t see it myself.

I think the Dees are far closer to finishing bottom 2 than finishing top of the ladder.

Just now, Redlagged said:

  On 24/09/2025 at 10:55, demoncat said:

Cal Twomey reporting that Trac is open to a move to Gold Coast

Possibly the most vapid comment I have ever heard in a world of vapid commentary.

Just now, Redlagged said:

Possibly the most vapid comment I have ever heard in a world of vapid commentary.

1 minute ago, Redlagged said:

Possibly the most vapid comment I have ever heard in a world of vapid commentary.

'An openness to that option more than he did last year'??? Come again? Why do any of us take this [censored] seriously?

23 minutes ago, Kent said:

God I love the deluded optimism on here.

Absolutely everything is possible. Perhaps the tune should be last post

Not too sure whether I would use the sanctity of The Last Post in a forum in this context.

I'd wager serious money he won't be in red and blue next year.

Shame.

If you could trust any of the media it seems he would have left two years ago.

I hope he stays but I fear he won't.

He's been a great servant of the club and I won't question his loyalty if he leaves.

He's spent his best years with us.

2 hours ago, beelzebub said:

Whilst you obviously want to keep your better talented players I do wonder whether this has all become more a story about a tail and a dog.

If the club has a view to where it's going and how, and who will lead it , it also must be firm with the process.

Im not particularly suggesting any real mischief but hopefully King gets the opportunity to speak with players and put forward the vision whilst also laying out the reality.

Players can't be the ones in charge.

I do believe Tracc is essentially a mercenary player now. Again thats fine if hes playing well. I do think you play better when you're on board properly...

The AFL landscape is definitely changing, money and opportunity for success talks more than ever before!

Sculley ex #1 draft pick (I hope I got the name right, written him off in my mind) moved to GWS on massive, life changing money! Well over a decade ago!

It is surprising it has taken this long to see player movement really progress. Free agency will see more clubs moving players on with 1-2 years left on their contracts, to avoid losing players for free. You see it all the time in well managed clubs in the EPL.

The AFL has kept its romantiscm of club loyalty longer than most competitions. Father/son extends this notion, and it has created a major imbalance in the competition, Pies & Lions don’t win the last two flags without Daicos, Moore, Ashcroft, & Fletcher! The Cats had Ablett, Hawkins & more help fuel their success.

Sitting next to an ex player manager at an AFL event yesterday, he mentioned if Saints don’t start well next season, watch them implode when TDK doesn’t dominate and Silvagni struggles with injury, as their existing players will feel Marshall is a better competitor than TDK, etc, why is TDK getting massive dollars and I’m underpaid! Big money creates angst unless the imports deliver!!!!!

Oliver who is a favourite of mine, got the huge bucks and then hasn’t performed on or off field. He needs to really turn it around and get back to his best, Petracca if he stays needs to do the same, even if for different reasons!

We have some great players in Gawn and Pickett, hopefully Oliver/Petracca can find their old form, Fritsch as a 50 plus goalkicker and our youngsters in Langford, Lindsay, and Windsor have shown some great potential!

Club stability from board level down, nail down Caulfield as our home, then let the FD and Coach get on with it. List management and drafting will become more important than ever!

I have my fingers crossed as only seeing one flag in a nearly 60 year journey supporting the Demons, one or more flags in the next decade would nicely even up the ledger!!

Go Demons!

12 minutes ago, D4Life said:

It is surprising it has taken this long to see player movement really progress. Free agency will see more clubs moving players on with 1-2 years left on their contracts, to avoid losing players for free. You see it all the time in well managed clubs in the EPL.

Yes and no…

This sort of player movement will not happen until players can be traded to another club with only the contract being honoured by their future club

At this moment in time, players can say they don’t want to go to team A, only team B

Until that’s changed then the player movement space won’t truly by fluid like it is in overseas leagues

2 hours ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

I can’t see it myself.

I think the Dees are far closer to finishing bottom 2 than finishing top of the ladder.

What odds are you giving me that they won’t?

1 hour ago, D4Life said:

Sculley ex #1 draft pick (I hope I got the name right, written him off in my mind) moved to GWS on massive, life changing money! Well over a decade ago!

A meaningless name to me.

However, he sounds like the sort of type, someone could start a thread about on Demonland.

23 hours ago, Demonstone said:

Petracca to Juventus. You heard it here first!

‘The Brand’ does Europe.

2 hours ago, D4Life said:

The AFL landscape is definitely changing, money and opportunity for success talks more than ever before!

Sculley ex #1 draft pick (I hope I got the name right, written him off in my mind) moved to GWS on massive, life changing money! Well over a decade ago!

It is surprising it has taken this long to see player movement really progress. Free agency will see more clubs moving players on with 1-2 years left on their contracts, to avoid losing players for free. You see it all the time in well managed clubs in the EPL.

The AFL has kept its romantiscm of club loyalty longer than most competitions. Father/son extends this notion, and it has created a major imbalance in the competition, Pies & Lions don’t win the last two flags without Daicos, Moore, Ashcroft, & Fletcher! The Cats had Ablett, Hawkins & more help fuel their success.

Sitting next to an ex player manager at an AFL event yesterday, he mentioned if Saints don’t start well next season, watch them implode when TDK doesn’t dominate and Silvagni struggles with injury, as their existing players will feel Marshall is a better competitor than TDK, etc, why is TDK getting massive dollars and I’m underpaid! Big money creates angst unless the imports deliver!!!!!

Oliver who is a favourite of mine, got the huge bucks and then hasn’t performed on or off field. He needs to really turn it around and get back to his best, Petracca if he stays needs to do the same, even if for different reasons!

We have some great players in Gawn and Pickett, hopefully Oliver/Petracca can find their old form, Fritsch as a 50 plus goalkicker and our youngsters in Langford, Lindsay, and Windsor have shown some great potential!

Club stability from board level down, nail down Caulfield as our home, then let the FD and Coach get on with it. List management and drafting will become more important than ever!

I have my fingers crossed as only seeing one flag in a nearly 60 year journey supporting the Demons, one or more flags in the next decade would nicely even up the ledger!!

Go Demons!

Great post.

I always used to moan about just one before I go.

But having tasted the sweet nectar of one, I want as many as possible.

3 hours ago, Bombay Airconditioning said:

What odds are you giving me that they won’t?

I’d have us at $1.001 that we finish outside of the top 1 next year.

On 25/09/2025 at 10:47, ghost who walks said:

must correct you on the wife beating ,it is ,do you still beat your wife,answer yes or no is still incriminating

and the answer is: yes ... i beat her night at scrabble ... next question?

I like Kevin Sheedy"s attitude. You sign a long contract, you stay at the club, end of story. If the club want to make a statement and set the culture on the right track (no pun intended) we do not trade or release anyone with 4-05 years to go on their contract.

im confused.

petracca said he wanted change and likely didnt ask for a trade, just get better.

the club made changes and eventually sacked the coach and have a new voice. you cant really make more changes than that.

so the club is doing everything he asked, but people still think he is gone for "reasons".

makes no sense to me, unless he and the coach dont see eye to eye for some reason.

id be betting he stays unless a club offers overs and you cant turn it down.

7 hours ago, Redlagged said:

  On 24/09/2025 at 10:55, demoncat said:

Cal Twomey reporting that Trac is open to a move to Gold Coast

And the quote was??

7 hours ago, Redlagged said:

  On 24/09/2025 at 10:55, demoncat said:

Cal Twomey reporting that Trac is open to a move to Gold Coast

"Gettable" are the AFL proxies for killing off the middle tier Victorian clubs and establishing phoney franchises in the badlands

5 hours ago, whatwhat say what said:

Yes and no…

This sort of player movement will not happen until players can be traded to another club with only the contract being honoured by their future club

At this moment in time, players can say they don’t want to go to team A, only team B

Until that’s changed then the player movement space won’t truly by fluid like it is in overseas leagues

I think it’s just a matter of time!

9 hours ago, spirit of norm smith said:

The clown show of Beveridge and Twomey want to continually try to push up the trades of Petracca and Oliver. They have zero interest in club loyalty as they hunt for the trade scenarios and how they can click bait through Gettable on the AFL app/website.

Trac to the Crows for pick 14 (pick 19-20 after academy’s/father son) and a 2026 1st round (again likely pick 18-19 likely). No way !! That’s the Dees getting shafted. Trac needs to stay. The Dees need him and I’m sure King has plans to get a Dangerfield type role for Trac !!

That's hilarious, with the mooted Flanders trade for pick seven.

You're right. Every half cut commentator has some bright idea for where Petracca should or might go. I had a Hawks fan yesterday claiming Trac for the injury prone Mitch Lewis.

Given the new coach has said he wants to keep them - they are (potentially) A graders (again) - why not accept that the Dees have the whip hand and they are not moving unless the price is right.

1 hour ago, qarocks said:

im confused.

petracca said he wanted change and likely didnt ask for a trade, just get better.

the club made changes and eventually sacked the coach and have a new voice. you cant really make more changes than that.

so the club is doing everything he asked, but people still think he is gone for "reasons".

makes no sense to me, unless he and the coach dont see eye to eye for some reason.

id be betting he stays unless a club offers overs and you cant turn it down.

Let’s face it. The board (mostly gone) and Pert (gone) oversaw a mess and toxic environment that probably led Tracc to lose trust in teammates and vice versa. Tracc and teammates were reading in the media that Tracc was telling players that management were the problem, and was telling management the players were the problem. Tracc didn’t leak that and it’s culture killing.

It’s no real surprise to me how bad we were this year and no real surprise that Tracc and maybe other players are ambivalent to staying or going. The positive is that Smith, Guerra, and King are a reset and if they are any good have an opportunity to regroup the players and lead the club out of the last 4 years of death spiral.

1 hour ago, pitmaster said:

That's hilarious, with the mooted Flanders trade for pick seven.

You're right. Every half cut commentator has some bright idea for where Petracca should or might go. I had a Hawks fan yesterday claiming Trac for the injury prone Mitch Lewis.

Given the new coach has said he wants to keep them - they are (potentially) A graders (again) - why not accept that the Dees have the whip hand and they are not moving unless the price is right.

But the price might be right ...or ok.

And the price might be set by metrics totally unacceptable to the great dland unwashed but critiques and stamped by the club.

Right atm.... I trust the club to work out what's best.

Tracc is but a cog in a machine