31 minutes ago, Timothy Reddan-A'Blew said:

What would have happened if McAdam had done his achilles on Saturday?... 

We'd have to wait until the mid season draft.

39 minutes ago, Timothy Reddan-A'Blew said:

What would have happened if McAdam had done his achilles on Saturday?... 

I think a worthwhile rule change for the AFL and clubs to look at would be the ability to add a player to the LTI (min 9 months out with verified injury) at anytime during the season. This opens up the potential for any VFL player to end up on an AFL list during the season. I'd imagine there's enough kids knocking at the door of the AFL to make this work. By the sounds of it Culley is unlucky and it gives guys like George an added incentive to keep pushing hard.

Edited February 19Feb 19 by Roost it far

1 hour ago, Roost it far said:

I think a worthwhile rule change for the AFL and clubs to look at would be the ability to add a player to the LTI (min 9 months out with verified injury) at anytime during the season. This opens up the potential for any VFL player to end up on an AFL list during the season. I'd imagine there's enough kids knocking at the door of the AFL to make this work. By the sounds of it Culley is unlucky and it gives guys like George an added incentive to keep pushing hard.

The issue is the clubs those players come from. They are likely to come from a VFL, SANFL or WAFL team and that club then plays without one of their good players for the remainder of the season, plus those comps also have salary caps, which would then be impacted. 

While I'm sure the players would love the opportunity to be on an AFL list, doing so at anytime leaves uncertainty for those clubs. I'm sure the AFL could come up with some compensation scheme, but for the stand alone VFL teams and those in the SANFL and WAFL the difference between playing finals or finishing last makes a huge difference to their bottom line. 

12 minutes ago, Red and Blue realist said:

The issue is the clubs those players come from. They are likely to come from a VFL, SANFL or WAFL team and that club then plays without one of their good players for the remainder of the season, plus those comps also have salary caps, which would then be impacted. 

While I'm sure the players would love the opportunity to be on an AFL list, doing so at anytime leaves uncertainty for those clubs. I'm sure the AFL could come up with some compensation scheme, but for the stand alone VFL teams and those in the SANFL and WAFL the difference between playing finals or finishing last makes a huge difference to their bottom line. 

The VFL is a poorly run secondary comp. If they lose a player they can grab another from the lower leagues. With 19-20 teams on the way the more kids given an opportunity the better, for them and the senior competition. As it stands there’s 2 opportunities to grab them anyway. 

30 minutes ago, Red and Blue realist said:

The issue is the clubs those players come from. They are likely to come from a VFL, SANFL or WAFL team and that club then plays without one of their good players for the remainder of the season, plus those comps also have salary caps, which would then be impacted. 

While I'm sure the players would love the opportunity to be on an AFL list, doing so at anytime leaves uncertainty for those clubs. I'm sure the AFL could come up with some compensation scheme, but for the stand alone VFL teams and those in the SANFL and WAFL the difference between playing finals or finishing last makes a huge difference to their bottom line. 

These are very good points you have made. Nevertheless, using Henderson as an example, isn't Werribee facing that problem already? All their planning for 2025 (financial, team balance and structure, etc) has just been hit.

30 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

These are very good points you have made. Nevertheless, using Henderson as an example, isn't Werribee facing that problem already? All their planning for 2025 (financial, team balance and structure, etc) has just been hit.

They like to give the state leagues whose seasons start on March 22 a month to be able to get their houses in order without disruption.

12 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

We'd have to wait until the mid season draft.

This is what upset me about Gus, medically retired (by the AFL?) a few days after the deadline and we didn't receive any concession. I don't mind the "windows" but for pre-season there should also be an element of discretion if something occurs before Round Zero/One in my opinion. 

On 19/02/2025 at 07:00, BLWNBA said:

That's a very big call to make on a bunch of players that have played 6 games (AMW). 2 games (KB), and zero games (Langford), or have never won us a game via individual performance and likely won't even be playing (Spargo). The only one there I'd give credence to is Trac. 

These players are on our list and despite your misgivings ruling each out for different reason the underserved a chance up play in that position.

AMW should be tried so should Pup  and if not up to it genuinely after a fair go then others can ve given an opportunity. Henderson now is a real chance. 

If AMW has had a full pre season he should have the ability to play HFF ( not a mid role where a full tank is needed). If Pup fumbles which monomers has suggested then we had ANB that virtually fumbled his way for 3/4 seasons before he smartened up.

Too critical about so called faults talk about the good features.  

19 minutes ago, roy11 said:

This is what upset me about Gus, medically retired (by the AFL?) a few days after the deadline and we didn't receive any concession. I don't mind the "windows" but for pre-season there should also be an element of discretion if something occurs before Round Zero/One in my opinion. 

Just add it to the long list of things with the afl that don’t make sense. Really it should run the whole season, or at least up until after the mid season draft date. What is the point of it being closed?

1 hour ago, 58er said:

These players are on our list and despite your misgivings ruling each out for different reason the underserved a chance up play in that position.

AMW should be tried so should Pup  and if not up to it genuinely after a fair go then others can ve given an opportunity. Henderson now is a real chance. 

If AMW has had a full pre season he should have the ability to play HFF ( not a mid role where a full tank is needed). If Pup fumbles which monomers has suggested then we had ANB that virtually fumbled his way for 3/4 seasons before he smartened up.

Too critical about so called faults talk about the good features.  

I haven't ruled out anybody, and I haven't faulted any of the players. I've merely pointed out that with the exception of Petracca, expecting any of the other listed players to have the output that Pickett has (and I say this is a someone who is often critical of Pickett), is pretty fanciful. 

I mean, Langford hasn't even played a game for us and Spargo isn't in the same league as Pickett. 

No reason any of the players you've mentioned shouldn't be given an opportunity, but let's have some sense of reasonableness with our expectations. 

Edited February 20Feb 20 by BLWNBA

What's the real issue with Brew?

2 minutes ago, SthSea22 said:

What's the real issue with Brew?

Burnt beans. 

4 minutes ago, SthSea22 said:

What's the real issue with Brew?

He's well past his best, having peaked in 2000.

 

16 hours ago, Whispering_Jack said:

SSP UPDATE

Port Adelaide: Quinton Narkle (Geelong AFL) Josh Lai (Cheltenham SFNL)

 

Didn't he go to Freo? 

5 hours ago, Roost it far said:

I think a worthwhile rule change for the AFL and clubs to look at would be the ability to add a player to the LTI (min 9 months out with verified injury) at anytime during the season. This opens up the potential for any VFL player to end up on an AFL list during the season. I'd imagine there's enough kids knocking at the door of the AFL to make this work. By the sounds of it Culley is unlucky and it gives guys like George an added incentive to keep pushing hard.

Did you take this suggestion to the radio?

4 hours ago, Roost it far said:

The VFL is a poorly run secondary comp. If they lose a player they can grab another from the lower leagues. With 19-20 teams on the way the more kids given an opportunity the better, for them and the senior competition. As it stands there’s 2 opportunities to grab them anyway. 

Don't disagree, but money talks, and potentially the difference between a VFL (and then subsequent lower league team) having their finals impacted by the loss of a good player, could mean that club refuses to let that player go. From memory at the mid season draft there has been talk of compensation for the clubs that lose a player.  

6 hours ago, Roost it far said:

I think a worthwhile rule change for the AFL and clubs to look at would be the ability to add a player to the LTI (min 9 months out with verified injury) at anytime during the season. This opens up the potential for any VFL player to end up on an AFL list during the season. I'd imagine there's enough kids knocking at the door of the AFL to make this work. By the sounds of it Culley is unlucky and it gives guys like George an added incentive to keep pushing hard.

I prefer the current set up of preseason and midseason deadlines.

Certainly I'd want a deadline well before finals because I think part of AFL/VFL footy has been that your squad is your squad and too much topping up can create a gap between the good and the bad sides. I like that it's in ladder order too so you don't have the best teams adding the best top ups.

I'm more open to the preseason deadline being removed but at a minimum it should be after both rounds of practice matches have been concluded. And I'd be in favour of bringing back the LTI list rather than the inactive list. It seems silly that an ACL can be replaced but someone with say a shoulder reco early in the year can't be covered for at the start of the season. If someone is a certain out for 12 weeks and teams are willing to replace them then let them be replaced.

I also think each team should have the ability to add 1 midseason draft pick even if they have no longer term injuries, because again, it's silly that you can replace an ACL but if you have guys who are borderline to be back in round 23 you can't add a player.

2 minutes ago, Red and Blue realist said:

Don't disagree, but money talks, and potentially the difference between a VFL (and then subsequent lower league team) having their finals impacted by the loss of a good player, could mean that club refuses to let that player go. From memory at the mid season draft there has been talk of compensation for the clubs that lose a player.  

The clubs get $10,000. And I don't think any agent worth his accreditation allows state league clubs to ban guys going up to AFL level in the contract. Not sure a club would want the backlash either. It's unfortunate for them but mostly the mid season and SSP has been younger guys with the exception of a ruckman every now and then which is a trickier situation for those clubs to replace.

5 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

I prefer the current set up of preseason and midseason deadlines.

Certainly I'd want a deadline well before finals because I think part of AFL/VFL footy has been that your squad is your squad and too much topping up can create a gap between the good and the bad sides. I like that it's in ladder order too so you don't have the best teams adding the best top ups.

I'm more open to the preseason deadline being removed but at a minimum it should be after both rounds of practice matches have been concluded. And I'd be in favour of bringing back the LTI list rather than the inactive list. It seems silly that an ACL can be replaced but someone with say a shoulder reco early in the year can't be covered for at the start of the season. If someone is a certain out for 12 weeks and teams are willing to replace them then let them be replaced.

I also think each team should have the ability to add 1 midseason draft pick even if they have no longer term injuries, because again, it's silly that you can replace an ACL but if you have guys who are borderline to be back in round 23 you can't add a player.

I just don't see what the deadlines achieve. So we lose a player to an ACL on Saturday but can't replace him until mid season but if he'd done it on Friday morning we could replace him that day. These sorts of rules feel like rules for rules sake. The lists are smaller these days and as long as the injury can be verified as a 9 month + injury I don't see the need to create deadlines. A more fluid approach has multiple advantages for both the team and young players.

1 hour ago, SthSea22 said:

What's the real issue with Brew?

28, on the short side, on the slow side, doesn't hit the score board, not a dynamic athlete or good ball user. 

He's a great story and great club man but you look at the quality of midfielder who struggles to get a game at most clubs every week and you'll see that excellent VFL performances don't mean much. Last year the Dogs fringe mids were James Harmes, Jack Macrae and Ryley Sanders.

Our midfield depth was far shakier but even if he's less consistent Bailey Laurie's best VFL games were absolutely dominant and the one game Sparrow was dropped for he completely tore up. 

27 minutes ago, Roost it far said:

I just don't see what the deadlines achieve. So we lose a player to an ACL on Saturday but can't replace him until mid season but if he'd done it on Friday morning we could replace him that day. These sorts of rules feel like rules for rules sake. The lists are smaller these days and as long as the injury can be verified as a 9 month + injury I don't see the need to create deadlines. A more fluid approach has multiple advantages for both the team and young players.

You would never get a job at AFL house… you make too much sense. 

31 minutes ago, Roost it far said:

I just don't see what the deadlines achieve. So we lose a player to an ACL on Saturday but can't replace him until mid season but if he'd done it on Friday morning we could replace him that day. These sorts of rules feel like rules for rules sake. The lists are smaller these days and as long as the injury can be verified as a 9 month + injury I don't see the need to create deadlines. A more fluid approach has multiple advantages for both the team and young players.

I like the deadline before finals for the reasons I specified earlier.

I'd be more flexible in removing the pre the start of the season deadline but I do think there's something to having clubs make sure they're carrying enough depth of mature players in various roles before round 1 and that it gives state league clubs some confidence entering the year. Then the mid year draft lets you top back up and given it's a draft form it doesn't see guys camping out to join the contenders. 

Honestly I'd like to get back to a main list of say 40 and a supplemental list or say 10 guys who play at Casey, make more than VFL but less than full time AFL wages and are all able to be called up for medium and long term injuries.

I'd be totally fine if our Supp list was our Rookies - Verrall, Hore, Sestan, AMW, Kynan Brown, Kenterfield, Mentha and Henderson, Culley, Roy George and maybe a few others too!

Edited February 20Feb 20 by DeeSpencer

37 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

I'm more open to the preseason deadline being removed but at a minimum it should be after both rounds of practice matches have been concluded. 

I'd personally like to see the pre-season window extended until a few hours before the first game of the season.

 

1 hour ago, DeeSpencer said:

I like the deadline before finals for the reasons I specified earlier.

I'd be more flexible in removing the pre the start of the season deadline but I do think there's something to having clubs make sure they're carrying enough depth of mature players in various roles before round 1 and that it gives state league clubs some confidence entering the year. Then the mid year draft lets you top back up and given it's a draft form it doesn't see guys camping out to join the contenders. 

Honestly I'd like to get back to a main list of say 40 and a supplemental list or say 10 guys who play at Casey, make more than VFL but less than full time AFL wages and are all able to be called up for medium and long term injuries.

I'd be totally fine if our Supp list was our Rookies - Verrall, Hore, Sestan, AMW, Kynan Brown, Kenterfield, Mentha and Henderson, Culley, Roy George and maybe a few others too!

Bigger lists would certainly solve the problem. However you can't on one hand want to protect state leagues from AFL list grabs and then suggest increased list sizes. That's having your cake and eating it, which I'm all for. Remember I'm only talking about swapping players out who have sustained a serious injury or are medically retired.

Edited February 20Feb 20 by Roost it far