He’s not coming 

At least we’ve got a 32 yo ruckman, who can’t get a game with anyone else

6 minutes ago, Billy said:

He’s not coming 

At least we’ve got a 32 yo ruckman, who can’t get a game with anyone else

How do you know this?

Remembering Derksen himself is a mid season rookie pick up who hasn't managed a senior game so we shouldn't be too upset.

Edited October 4, 20241 yr by Roost it far

44 minutes ago, Billy said:

He’s not coming 

At least we’ve got a 32 yo ruckman, who can’t get a game with anyone else

Yep as competent backup to Max, on minimum wage, happy to toil away in the 2’s. Something we’ve been crying out for for years. He’s not supposed to be Polly Farmer.

1 minute ago, Dee Boys said:

Yep as competent backup to Max, on minimum wage, happy to toil away in the 2’s. Something we’ve been crying out for for years. He’s not supposed to be Polly Farmer.

We are crying out for a 2nd ruck/forward to relieve JVR of ruck duties, as well as a backup ruckman who is happy to toil in the 2's.

3 hours ago, Lord Travis said:

Future fourth should get it done.

Unlikely I reckon. From next year fourth rounder picks are worth zero draft points.

3 hours ago, Elwood 3184 said:

The Giants recruited Wade Derksen in the 2022 AFL Mid-Season Rookie Draft so he’s been at the club for 2½ seasons without gaining senior selection. If they think he’s so precious then fine, keep him but really, is there much point?

Harry Petty had barely played before 2021 and was a vital part of the flag.

Not saying Derk’s on that level but they probably lose Leek Aleer next year and then won’t have any key defensive depth after that.

They might lose Derksen too but at least they’d have all year to try to convince him to stay.

If I were GWS I’d need more compelling personal reasons than I’ve seen currently OR to find cheap tall defensive depth. Without either of those I’m keeping him. 

6 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

Harry Petty had barely played before 2021 and was a vital part of the flag.

Not saying Derk’s on that level but they probably lose Leek Aleer next year and then won’t have any key defensive depth after that.

They might lose Derksen too but at least they’d have all year to try to convince him to stay.

If I were GWS I’d need more compelling personal reasons than I’ve seen currently OR to find cheap tall defensive depth. Without either of those I’m keeping him. 

They've got 3 picks in the top 20 this year. Picking a suitable Derksen replacement shouldn't be too hard. I'd hope a 3rd rounder will get it done or perhaps a F2 if Lamb wants to continue to overpay

Edited October 4, 20241 yr by Roost it far

On 30/09/2024 at 19:36, buck_nekkid said:

I once got sand under my derkskin…..

Haha just saw this, very funny… I always thought the derksen was that dangly bit at the back of your mouth?

33 minutes ago, Roost it far said:

They've got 3 picks in the top 20 this year. Picking a suitable Derksen replacement shouldn't be too hard. I'd hope a 3rd rounder will get it done or perhaps a F2 if Lamb wants to continue to overpay

Picking their next young key defender is something they can probably do but it doesn’t help them win a flag in the next 2-4 years. 

Lamb overpaid for McAdam given he was out of contract and could’ve walked. Very different scenario for someone in contract.

7 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

Picking their next young key defender is something they can probably do but it doesn’t help them win a flag in the next 2-4 years. 

Lamb overpaid for McAdam given he was out of contract and could’ve walked. Very different scenario for someone in contract.

Do you think Derksen helps them that much? I see him as surplus to their needs. My guess is they’ll let him go but are quite rightly using the loss of Cummings as a way to increase his value. If they can snare pick 25 from us they’d be laughing, along with most of the comp towards us atm. 

6 minutes ago, Roost it far said:

Do you think Derksen helps them that much? I see him as surplus to their needs. My guess is they’ll let him go but are quite rightly using the loss of Cummings as a way to increase his value. If they can snare pick 25 from us they’d be laughing, along with most of the comp towards us atm. 

For a normal club you’d hold out for an early 3rd and call it a win. But GWS now have 3 extra picks from players leaving and perhaps Stone too, so that pick is a waste of time for them.

Or, they find a ready made replacement. But the ready made key back replacement list is yuck.

If they get a second out of us they probably do it for compassionate reasons. Maybe we can convince them for a 3rd

I agree about the early second. There’s no way we should do that.

55 minutes ago, Roost it far said:

Do you think Derksen helps them that much? I see him as surplus to their needs. My guess is they’ll let him go but are quite rightly using the loss of Cummings as a way to increase his value. If they can snare pick 25 from us they’d be laughing, along with most of the comp towards us atm. 

He is a very valuable player to them as they only have Hogan, Riccardi, Cadman, Gruzewski, Buckley, Taylor, Himmelberg and Brown ahead of him and  he hasn’t managed a game in his 2 years at the club.

Yep, he is a must to hang onto, given they have no salary cap issues and he is their most valuable key position player.

 

Heard the interview with Jason McCartney this morning.

He was very adamant that Derksen would not be traded.

Disappointing as I was one who was excited with his potential and ability. 

3 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Heard the interview with Jason McCartney this morning.

He was very adamant that Derksen would not be traded.

Disappointing as I was one who was excited with his potential and ability. 

He is talking sh-t.

He should stick to chesting/bumping opposition players during games.

Edited October 4, 20241 yr by Redleg

2 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

Harry Petty had barely played before 2021 and was a vital part of the flag.

Not saying Derk’s on that level but they probably lose Leek Aleer next year and then won’t have any key defensive depth after that.

They might lose Derksen too but at least they’d have all year to try to convince him to stay.

If I were GWS I’d need more compelling personal reasons than I’ve seen currently OR to find cheap tall defensive depth. Without either of those I’m keeping him. 

Yep PETTY IN THE BACKLNE BUT Goodwin has no idea! Anyway Derky Wadeloss is NO LOSS, Hasn't played a bloody game... GIVE ME JEFFO ANYDAY!

Edited October 4, 20241 yr by picket fence

Come on Derk, trot out the “family reasons”.

13 hours ago, Roost it far said:

How do you know this?

Remembering Derksen himself is a mid season rookie pick up who hasn't managed a senior game so we shouldn't be too upset.

You make some outlandish statements RIF 

He has a good profile for no AFL games so far and is very versatile in ruck back or forward. 

Probably equivalent or ahead of Jeffo in experience. Good size also. 
Hope we can lure him for next year.

19 minutes ago, 58er said:

You make some outlandish statements RIF 

He has a good profile for no AFL games so far and is very versatile in ruck back or forward. 

Probably equivalent or ahead of Jeffo in experience. Good size also. 
Hope we can lure him for next year.

His CV reminds me of a slight downgrade on Fullerton 

Not sure it’s a big deal either way but I will be furious if we hand over pick 25 for this bloke 

Edited October 4, 20241 yr by Sydee

26 minutes ago, Sydee said:

His CV reminds me of a slight downgrade on Fullerton 

Not sure it’s a big deal either way but I will be furious if we hand over pick 25 for this bloke 

That’s what McCartney is probably pushing for a better deal than his profile demands.

We are quick to trade players for unders and are probably seen as a soft touch and then pay overs to trade in to get the deal done.

Imagine paying what you get for Nibbler for an untried player of 23 years old. 3rd in our B and F last night and a Premiership player who never misses a game for a maybe. 

We traded Bedford for 44 and he is now a regular in their team and as described by them one of their most important tagging/pressure/goal assist players.

Edited October 4, 20241 yr by Redleg

14 hours ago, Billy said:

He’s not coming 

At least we’ve got a 32 yo ruckman, who can’t get a game with anyone else

Thanks Dr. Snip

1 hour ago, Pipefitter said:

Come on Derk, trot out the “family reasons”.

Pretty sure that's the main reason for the trade. 

Just had twins and there is zero family support for them up in Sydney where as Wade has family down in Melbourne. 

1 minute ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Pretty sure that's the main reason for the trade. 

Just had twins and there is zero family support for them up in Sydney where as Wade has family down in Melbourne. 

Pretty sure he will be a Dee, McCartney just posturing.

11 hours ago, Redleg said:

He is a very valuable player to them as they only have Hogan, Riccardi, Cadman, Gruzewski, Buckley, Taylor, Himmelberg and Brown ahead of him and  he hasn’t managed a game in his 2 years at the club.

Yep, he is a must to hang onto, given they have no salary cap issues and he is their most valuable key position player.

 

Agree. Derksen is a good young player but the Giants are stacked with tall forwards and tall defenders. They should honour his request.   He’s family support should be recognized by the Giants.  Dees should keep asking the question.  

12 hours ago, Roost it far said:

Do you think Derksen helps them that much? I see him as surplus to their needs. My guess is they’ll let him go but are quite rightly using the loss of Cummings as a way to increase his value. If they can snare pick 25 from us they’d be laughing, along with most of the comp towards us atm. 

Their list manager (can't remember his name) was on Gettable about a month ago and mentioned what a bargain Toby Bedford was. Perhaps they are going back for seconds and trying to ramp up the price. My preference is that they GAGF.

Every year there are fringe player swho wants to leave, but the clubs who hold them label them as a "required player".

They always end up being traded, often on the last day and for late picks.

It'll get done.