On 18/09/2024 at 03:18, Roost it far said:

Whilst I’m always hopeful is he just there to clog the list spot that Schache has left open? Is he more fodder for the anti Tim Lamb brigade?

If you’re too scared of getting another shache you’ll never find the next Josh Kennedy (syd) or Tim Kelly or James Podsiadly….

  On 18/09/2024 at 03:28, Kevin dyson said:

If you’re too scared of getting another shache you’ll never find the next Josh Kennedy (syd) or Tim Kelly or James Podsiadly….

Fair point which is why I started the mini rant with “Whilst I’m always hopeful”

Happy to give this guy a crack considering the lack of established options coming into trade period. 

What would GWS want for him? 

He’ll cost nothing and has upside. In the absence of better external options, we lose nothing from seeing what Derksen has at the level. We had interest when he was taken in the MSD, so he’s been on the radar for a while.

Like others I haven't ever seen him play, so thanks for videos from his pre-GWS days and he does look the goods - but so do many that have junior video highlights.

But a quick look at his numbers in the VFL for the Giants tells me that he is a moneyball pick of the highest order - potentially a pick that will save Tim Lamb's job. How many forwards take 12 marks and have 25 disposals - as he did in a loss to Willy. The week before he was quieter in a 50-point loss but still kicked a couple. The week before it was 17 disposals and two goals in a one-point loss, although he did have a shot at a matchwinner. He was prominent against us the week before - 19 disposals, five marks, three tackles. That's a lot of disposals for a tall.

His height is somewhere between 194cm and 197cm - that's tall and he can play back-up ruck - tick.

He can kick it a long way based on the videos and with both feet - tick.

He is still only 23 - that's way better than drafting/trading in players who are at end of career such as Membrey or Taberner and given that he has been in the system for two years is ready to play AFL - tick.

He can play both down back and up forward, which means if jnjuries happen to our ageing tall defenders, he can be sent there or Petty can.  

He is from a club that boasts the best talls - Taylor, Buckley, Cadman and Hogan - tick - which explains why he didn't get an AFL gig.

He has at least one mate at club already - AMW - and apparently has family in Melbourne - tick. 

If anyone has any major doubts then let us know - he may not have high tackle numbers but nor do many talls.

So what do we give up for him?

I'd say we'd have to give up our second rounder or the pick we receive from Adelaide for ANB - any deal involving our pick 5 should be immediately shut down.

And given that he looks ready to play, the length of his contract should be three years, just in case he struggles with the extra expectations of playing AFL. I'd imagine he is on somewhere between 200-250K at present, so his deal should come with a new $400-$450K salary.

 To me, it's the first good trade news we've had since Ed and Ben.

  On 18/09/2024 at 04:17, Deespicable said:

Like others I haven't ever seen him play, so thanks for videos from his pre-GWS days and he does look the goods - but so do many that have junior video highlights.

But a quick look at his numbers in the VFL for the Giants tells me that he is a moneyball pick of the highest order - potentially a pick that will save Tim Lamb's job. How many forwards take 12 marks and have 25 disposals - as he did in a loss to Willy. The week before he was quieter in a 50-point loss but still kicked a couple. The week before it was 17 disposals and two goals in a one-point loss, although he did have a shot at a matchwinner. He was prominent against us the week before - 19 disposals, five marks, three tackles. That's a lot of disposals for a tall.

His height is somewhere between 194cm and 197cm - that's tall and he can play back-up ruck - tick.

He can kick it a long way based on the videos and with both feet - tick.

He is still only 23 - that's way better than drafting/trading in players who are at end of career such as Membrey or Taberner and given that he has been in the system for two years is ready to play AFL - tick.

He can play both down back and up forward, which means if jnjuries happen to our ageing tall defenders, he can be sent there or Petty can.  

He is from a club that boasts the best talls - Taylor, Buckley, Cadman and Hogan - tick - which explains why he didn't get an AFL gig.

He has at least one mate at club already - AMW - and apparently has family in Melbourne - tick. 

If anyone has any major doubts then let us know - he may not have high tackle numbers but nor do many talls.

So what do we give up for him?

I'd say we'd have to give up our second rounder or the pick we receive from Adelaide for ANB - any deal involving our pick 5 should be immediately shut down.

And given that he looks ready to play, the length of his contract should be three years, just in case he struggles with the extra expectations of playing AFL. I'd imagine he is on somewhere between 200-250K at present, so his deal should come with a new $400-$450K salary.

 To me, it's the first good trade news we've had since Ed and Ben.

Nice summation. Seems worth the punt.

Don't think we'll be giving up a second though - probably only worth a later pick given he's never featured at AFL level.

Edited September 18, 2024Sep 18 by Davos

  On 18/09/2024 at 04:17, Deespicable said:

Like others I haven't ever seen him play, so thanks for videos from his pre-GWS days and he does look the goods - but so do many that have junior video highlights.

But a quick look at his numbers in the VFL for the Giants tells me that he is a moneyball pick of the highest order - potentially a pick that will save Tim Lamb's job. How many forwards take 12 marks and have 25 disposals - as he did in a loss to Willy. The week before he was quieter in a 50-point loss but still kicked a couple. The week before it was 17 disposals and two goals in a one-point loss, although he did have a shot at a matchwinner. He was prominent against us the week before - 19 disposals, five marks, three tackles. That's a lot of disposals for a tall.

His height is somewhere between 194cm and 197cm - that's tall and he can play back-up ruck - tick.

He can kick it a long way based on the videos and with both feet - tick.

He is still only 23 - that's way better than drafting/trading in players who are at end of career such as Membrey or Taberner and given that he has been in the system for two years is ready to play AFL - tick.

He can play both down back and up forward, which means if jnjuries happen to our ageing tall defenders, he can be sent there or Petty can.  

He is from a club that boasts the best talls - Taylor, Buckley, Cadman and Hogan - tick - which explains why he didn't get an AFL gig.

He has at least one mate at club already - AMW - and apparently has family in Melbourne - tick. 

If anyone has any major doubts then let us know - he may not have high tackle numbers but nor do many talls.

So what do we give up for him?

I'd say we'd have to give up our second rounder or the pick we receive from Adelaide for ANB - any deal involving our pick 5 should be immediately shut down.

And given that he looks ready to play, the length of his contract should be three years, just in case he struggles with the extra expectations of playing AFL. I'd imagine he is on somewhere between 200-250K at present, so his deal should come with a new $400-$450K salary.

 To me, it's the first good trade news we've had since Ed and Ben.

I'd say a 3rd or 4th rounder gets it done if we wanted to trade for him. A second round pick offer is for established players only, which he currently isn't. 

  On 18/09/2024 at 02:33, dazzledavey36 said:

Cal Twomey on gettable saying Melbourne in the box seat to land Derksen.

we have been putting in the ground work since last off season finding out the smith news

  On 18/09/2024 at 03:14, Lord Travis said:

A mature age mid-season draftee who has two years in the system and never played an AFL game. Probability says he's not gonna make it, so he'll likely become depth if acquired. 

Can't be anything more than a late pick swap at trade for such a lowly valued commodity.

GWS are stacked for talls back and fwd. No disgrace to not get a game fwd behind Hogan, Cadman, Ricardi or down back behind Taylor, Buckley, Himmelberg, Idun, Aleer or Haynes

  On 18/09/2024 at 04:17, Deespicable said:

So what do we give up for him?

I'd say we'd have to give up our second rounder or the pick we receive from Adelaide for ANB - any deal involving our pick 5 should be immediately shut down.

And given that he looks ready to play, the length of his contract should be three years, just in case he struggles with the extra expectations of playing AFL. I'd imagine he is on somewhere between 200-250K at present, so his deal should come with a new $400-$450K salary.

Way overs. A mature age mid-season draftee who hasn't played a single game at AFL level is in no way worth pick 25 in a trade. Trading second round picks is for established AFL players such as Langdon, Hibberd, Melksham, and Grundy for us in recent years.

The average AFL salary is $450k. Why would you give a mature age mid-season draftee $400-$450k? He'd be paid more than talented kids and established players, including some premiership players. It would be poor salary cap management.

Realistically, we offer our last pick - pick 61 - and lowest possible salary. He doesn't command anything more.

All our other picks are too valuable to waste on him, even the picks in the 40s and 50s hold enough points that they'll likely be part of a package to trade up the board with Brisbane, Gold Coast, and others that needs points for academy and father sons draftees.

  On 18/09/2024 at 04:17, Deespicable said:

He is from a club that boasts the best talls - Taylor, Buckley, Cadman and Hogan - tick - which explains why he didn't get an AFL gig.

He has at least one mate at club already - AMW - and apparently has family in Melbourne - tick. 

If anyone has any major doubts then let us know - he may not have high tackle numbers but nor do many talls.

So what do we give up for him?

I'd say we'd have to give up our second rounder or the pick we receive from Adelaide for ANB - any deal involving our pick 5 should be immediately shut down.

They didn’t play him when Buckley and Taylor were out, and they’ve preferred Keeffe as a forward. If he was out of contract he’d be free. Still contracted for a year but twins on the way so reasons to be compassionate. 3rd rounder should do it 

Tell you what, if Wade Derksen is our big off season splash, strap in for a bumpy ride in 2025

Pick 61 for Derksen and 70. A goodwill trade, shake hands and wish each other well.
Hope he locks a role with us long term, as cover for brown, Tomlinson or schache, I like to see it. Without seeing him play much, the stats and profile tick the right boxes. 

Can he play ruck or more importantly is he an upgrade on Fullerton? Fullerton can't ruck hopefully Derkson can do a better job.

We have picks 5, 38, 45 and 50 and Derksen for pick 61 or pick 50 at worst. Adelaide don't have a second round pick so I'm expecting a future 2nd round pick for Neal-Bullen.

  On 18/09/2024 at 10:01, WERRIDEE said:

We have picks 5, 38, 45 and 50 and Derksen for pick 61 or pick 50 at worst. Adelaide don't have a second round pick so I'm expecting a future 2nd round pick for Neal-Bullen.

Nah Adelaide has pick 25 this draft which has already been talked about coming our way for ANB

Edited September 18, 2024Sep 18 by Young Blood

  On 18/09/2024 at 10:03, Young Blood said:

Adelaide has pick 25 which has already been talked about coming our way for ANB

My mistake I saw 24 going to St.Kilda. Neal-Bullen for McAdam doesn't seem right we got ripped off there. I'd be asking for a future second rounder as well.

Edited September 18, 2024Sep 18 by WERRIDEE

Derksen and Grantfield means we are building our tall backs and forwards. JVR Turner Jefferson Petty Adam means surely someone is going to come good

  On 18/09/2024 at 11:29, Harrisonrules said:

Derksen and Grantfield means we are building our tall backs and forwards. JVR Turner Jefferson Petty Adam means surely someone is going to come good

Who's Grantfield?

  On 18/09/2024 at 11:29, Harrisonrules said:

Derksen and Grantfield means we are building our tall backs and forwards. JVR Turner Jefferson Petty Adam means surely someone is going to come good

Do you mean Kentfield?

so our wishlist is this?

 

B: Lever, May, McVee

HB: Rivers, McDonald, Salem

C: Windsor, Peatling, Langdon

HF: Petracca, Petty, Pickett

F: Fritsch, van Rooyen, Turner

FOLL: Gawn, Oliver, Viney

IC: Bowey, Sparrow, Chandler, Pick 5, Melksham

 

Casey

B: Howes, Adams, Brown

HB: Moniz-Wakefield, Derksen, Woewodin

C: Billings, Laurie, Hunter

HF: Spargo, Kentfield, Sestaq

F: McAdam, Jefferson, Fullerton

FOLL: Trade, Tholstrup, Draft Pick

IC: Yze, Mentha, Verrall 

Edited September 18, 2024Sep 18 by WERRIDEE

  On 18/09/2024 at 11:34, WERRIDEE said:

Who's Grantfield?

He plays at Casey alongside Moniz-Jakefield

  On 18/09/2024 at 04:17, Deespicable said:

Like others I haven't ever seen him play, so thanks for videos from his pre-GWS days and he does look the goods - but so do many that have junior video highlights.

But a quick look at his numbers in the VFL for the Giants tells me that he is a moneyball pick of the highest order - potentially a pick that will save Tim Lamb's job. How many forwards take 12 marks and have 25 disposals - as he did in a loss to Willy. The week before he was quieter in a 50-point loss but still kicked a couple. The week before it was 17 disposals and two goals in a one-point loss, although he did have a shot at a matchwinner. He was prominent against us the week before - 19 disposals, five marks, three tackles. That's a lot of disposals for a tall.

His height is somewhere between 194cm and 197cm - that's tall and he can play back-up ruck - tick.

He can kick it a long way based on the videos and with both feet - tick.

He is still only 23 - that's way better than drafting/trading in players who are at end of career such as Membrey or Taberner and given that he has been in the system for two years is ready to play AFL - tick.

He can play both down back and up forward, which means if jnjuries happen to our ageing tall defenders, he can be sent there or Petty can.  

He is from a club that boasts the best talls - Taylor, Buckley, Cadman and Hogan - tick - which explains why he didn't get an AFL gig.

He has at least one mate at club already - AMW - and apparently has family in Melbourne - tick. 

If anyone has any major doubts then let us know - he may not have high tackle numbers but nor do many talls.

So what do we give up for him?

I'd say we'd have to give up our second rounder or the pick we receive from Adelaide for ANB - any deal involving our pick 5 should be immediately shut down.

And given that he looks ready to play, the length of his contract should be three years, just in case he struggles with the extra expectations of playing AFL. I'd imagine he is on somewhere between 200-250K at present, so his deal should come with a new $400-$450K salary.

 To me, it's the first good trade news we've had since Ed and Ben.

His CV sounds a bit like Fullarton last year. How did that go?

  On 18/09/2024 at 04:17, Deespicable said:

Like others I haven't ever seen him play, so thanks for videos from his pre-GWS days and he does look the goods - but so do many that have junior video highlights.

But a quick look at his numbers in the VFL for the Giants tells me that he is a moneyball pick of the highest order - potentially a pick that will save Tim Lamb's job. How many forwards take 12 marks and have 25 disposals - as he did in a loss to Willy. The week before he was quieter in a 50-point loss but still kicked a couple. The week before it was 17 disposals and two goals in a one-point loss, although he did have a shot at a matchwinner. He was prominent against us the week before - 19 disposals, five marks, three tackles. That's a lot of disposals for a tall.

His height is somewhere between 194cm and 197cm - that's tall and he can play back-up ruck - tick.

He can kick it a long way based on the videos and with both feet - tick.

He is still only 23 - that's way better than drafting/trading in players who are at end of career such as Membrey or Taberner and given that he has been in the system for two years is ready to play AFL - tick.

He can play both down back and up forward, which means if jnjuries happen to our ageing tall defenders, he can be sent there or Petty can.  

He is from a club that boasts the best talls - Taylor, Buckley, Cadman and Hogan - tick - which explains why he didn't get an AFL gig.

He has at least one mate at club already - AMW - and apparently has family in Melbourne - tick. 

If anyone has any major doubts then let us know - he may not have high tackle numbers but nor do many talls.

So what do we give up for him?

I'd say we'd have to give up our second rounder or the pick we receive from Adelaide for ANB - any deal involving our pick 5 should be immediately shut down.

And given that he looks ready to play, the length of his contract should be three years, just in case he struggles with the extra expectations of playing AFL. I'd imagine he is on somewhere between 200-250K at present, so his deal should come with a new $400-$450K salary.

 To me, it's the first good trade news we've had since Ed and Ben.

Giants also have Riccardi, Brown and Gruzewski who didn’t play in their finals team.

With those you named in Buckley, Taylor, Cadman and Hogan and the others above, he is just not getting a game.

  On 18/09/2024 at 10:06, WERRIDEE said:

My mistake I saw 24 going to St.Kilda. Neal-Bullen for McAdam doesn't seem right we got ripped off there. I'd be asking for a future second rounder as well.

It's not, but that's neither here nor there.
We overpaid for McAdam. That's in the past, and we have to move on.
Pick 25 for Nibbler is probably about correct, but I wouldn't be surprised if we shuffle some later picks to benefit Adelaide as well.