Pert and Roffey - The Review Thread

[FreedFromDesire 584]

28 minutes ago, H_T said:

Well perhaps he can form a solid view via the review on the lack of work done on finding the club a home. Because this after-all, this can impact on the team and its performance. And we know Pert has been in the CEO job now for over 5 years and his portfolio includes this priority.

Completely agree it would impact performance - Not just of the football team, but I believe of the business of the club as well given the current setup has us spread out over 3 locations currently. Getting everything under one roof is paramount.

As mentioned previously, I do believe there will be progressed announced on that this week.

[rpfc 28,042]

5 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

I follow a member based club, with that entails a member elected board. Otherwise we may as well just become privately owned or a franchise operated by the AFL.

We were a ‘franchise operated by the AFL’ at the end of 2013…

Most on here look back fondly on the time of Peter Jackson and the ‘AFL approved’ board. 

We have the necessary mechanisms to remove an admin that is wholly incompetent or corrupt but save for that - the board should replenish itself and get on with it in conjunction with what the head office wants to see.

Thats my view, it’s also current reality.

[Adam The God 29,292]

10 minutes ago, rpfc said:

We were a ‘franchise operated by the AFL’ at the end of 2013…

Most on here look back fondly on the time of Peter Jackson and the ‘AFL approved’ board. 

We have the necessary mechanisms to remove an admin that is wholly incompetent or corrupt but save for that - the board should replenish itself and get on with it in conjunction with what the head office wants to see.

Thats my view, it’s also current reality.

Ironically, things have gone downhill since the AFL handed back the reigns...

[Dr. Gonzo 23,675]

13 hours ago, rpfc said:

We were a ‘franchise operated by the AFL’ at the end of 2013…

Most on here look back fondly on the time of Peter Jackson and the ‘AFL approved’ board. 

We have the necessary mechanisms to remove an admin that is wholly incompetent or corrupt but save for that - the board should replenish itself and get on with it in conjunction with what the head office wants to see.

Thats my view, it’s also current reality.

Maybe we should change the constitution then.

I have an issue with the board "replenishing itself" which I take to mean the old boys club running things without any sense of accountability.

That's what got us into the [censored] pre-2013 and it's what has got us back into the [censored] now.

[Tolstoys Nudge 1,482]

15 hours ago, FreedFromDesire said:

Completely agree it would impact performance - Not just of the football team, but I believe of the business of the club as well given the current setup has us spread out over 3 locations currently. Getting everything under one roof is paramount.

As mentioned previously, I do believe there will be progressed announced on that this week.

Great to hear if true, but I have heard progression PR for yonkers -- let's be honest, the horse has now bolted for this group for it will be years before it is our home even once it is signed-off (IF it ever is)..

Sorry, not having a crack at you whatsoever FreedFromDesire I'm just sharing my overall thoughts on the matter in general, as it is such an uber clear hamper for our overall clout not only as a destination, but in terms of chemistry, collective-vibe, team comradery and happiness etc we are basically now competing with one limb rendered non-functional! It is no surprise that ever since we started using Casey more, our overall performance has declined... Until it is fixed, I don't think we will ever know how good a side we are, that is how far I have come on this issue after hearing it from players and media time and time again, but most of all from support staff, whom constantly refer to it as being a genuine Mt Olympus for us to climb each year.

Look, with all the recent re-signings, it is clear the common notion of things 'never being as bad or as good as they seem' being true, but the Petracca-saga - that is still going mind you - only further highlights how much of a stumbling block this is and how it impacts each player to some degree and most of all our ability to recruit. We might of gotten away with it back when may/Lever joined, as we had an exciting momentum building and it was not as big an issue for Casey was used sparingly and other clubs weren't quite so advanced. But right now, I honestly blv it is perhaps as big as a 5-15% hamper in terms of being at optimal performance across all club KPI's. That is a MASSIVE hurdle... lets hope that this current group can continue to work through it and have a massive pre-season to show that they can and indeed will be back firing on all cylinders -- but the time for rejoicing is when and if a new facility is FUNCTIONAL and for that, an absolute optimistic view would be 2027.. but more like 2028-30. I sincerely hope I am wrong on that, but at same time we ARE good enough to overcome it, but alas above it is indeed a harbinger of our next flag perhaps being more difficult than we could ever have imagined 18m ago!!!

Apologies, but this one has been bubbling away for me for a time since before the wind and snow!

 

[Roost it far 7,354]

19 hours ago, layzie said:

Let's get our club back.

Oh hell, has it been pinched? This year truly sucks.

[58er 5,903]

On 15/09/2024 at 22:47, Adam The God said:

Ironically, things have gone downhill since the AFL handed back the reigns...

Incorrect totally.

Since 2019 when we ceased being under AFL defacto style rule we have 

Won AFL after 2 years, the first in 57 years and VFL for 20/30 years and W after only 3 seasons after W started. 

Have had membership double since 2013 to record levels in years after 2019.

Record Junior membership which sees Dees now with whole new membership base  of young fans wearing 5 7 11 13 and many other heroes. 

off field Sponsorship at record levels including prime  time and genuine blockbuster matches regularly each season since 2015 on F to Air also. 

Casey Fields has had significant upgrades and now is a total second base of real quality with boutique potential that has provided the training base with a MCG size oval for our Club success since 2018.

also developed for AFLW who have stand of 2023 the best HAnd A record wins and losses of all Clubs. Casey has been our home ground since 2017 when AFLW started.

MFC now has assets of between $30 to $40 million most invested in a Future Fund.

In recent years each year has been profitable with between $1 and $4 million. 

I am sure  there are other advantages we have now over 2013/19 so I can’t see in any way the developments that were underpinned from then to now in any way exceed our place in the AFL also.

On the cusp of an announcement of the home base project due to enable our 3 main Club needs to be established and centralised nearest our main supporter base in inner south east of Melbourne, Caulfield. 

And you fondly remember 2013/ 15. Compared to now?? 

Please don’t stand to try and improve things if you are satisfied about 2013 Adam the God. You are easily pleased and thank heavens hugely misguided. 
 

[Deeman 1,479]

16 hours ago, 58er said:

Incorrect totally.

Since 2019 when we ceased being under AFL defacto style rule we have 

Won AFL after 2 years, the first in 57 years and VFL for 20/30 years and W after only 3 seasons after W started. 

Have had membership double since 2013 to record levels in years after 2019.

Record Junior membership which sees Dees now with whole new membership base  of young fans wearing 5 7 11 13 and many other heroes. 

off field Sponsorship at record levels including prime  time and genuine blockbuster matches regularly each season since 2015 on F to Air also. 

Casey Fields has had significant upgrades and now is a total second base of real quality with boutique potential that has provided the training base with a MCG size oval for our Club success since 2018.

also developed for AFLW who have stand of 2023 the best HAnd A record wins and losses of all Clubs. Casey has been our home ground since 2017 when AFLW started.

MFC now has assets of between $30 to $40 million most invested in a Future Fund.

In recent years each year has been profitable with between $1 and $4 million. 

I am sure  there are other advantages we have now over 2013/19 so I can’t see in any way the developments that were underpinned from then to now in any way exceed our place in the AFL also.

On the cusp of an announcement of the home base project due to enable our 3 main Club needs to be established and centralised nearest our main supporter base in inner south east of Melbourne, Caulfield. 

And you fondly remember 2013/ 15. Compared to now?? 

Please don’t stand to try and improve things if you are satisfied about 2013 Adam the God. You are easily pleased and thank heavens hugely misguided. 

Thank you very much.

Now can we start a bring back Roffey thread please?

[58er 5,903]

1 hour ago, Deeman said:

Thanks you very much.

Now can we start a bring back Roffey thread please?

No not necessarily but 5 years has advanced our Club ( with the Jackson/ AFL starting along with the late great Jim Stynes the road back to glory and strength) 10-15 years in 5. 

Maybe you weren’t around in 2013 Deeman to experience the lows mount up. 

Our last 5 years ( and back to 2017/18 have  56% plus win rate with over 60% in the last 5 years!!! 

This is not even opinion as so many facts support the fact that our Club is so much greater than in 2013! 

 

[Skuit 9,920]

23 hours ago, Biffen said:

Does anyone know what she did or didn't do?

 

Roffey didn't step in like she needed to when Trac got injured and kick six in the second half. 

[rpfc 28,042]

18 hours ago, Adam The God said:

Ironically, things have gone downhill since the AFL handed back the reigns...

Quite. But also, when was the hand back, exactly? Calling this ‘revisionist history’ is a compliment, we are so ignorant of circumstance. 

5 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Maybe we should change the constitution then.

I have an issue with the board "replenishing itself" which I take to mean the old boys club running things without any sense of accountability.

That's what got us into the [censored] pre-2013 and it's what has got us back into the [censored] now.

Again, when was the ‘hand back’ and you ‘take to mean’ the steady string of AFL-approved board approached people as ‘the old boys club’? What do you think Democracy of the membership will get you?! We seek ‘approval’ from the AFL for those that we wish to keep and bring onto the board because it is the best way we can ensure that HQ are vested and happy with the skills we have to provide governance of the club - to continue to bleed the constitution to ensure more ‘freedom’ for individuals to encumber that is foolhardy. Democracy is for societal bodies and governmental representation, and something to be sought for and vociferously demanded - but not at footy clubs - let’s have some perspective.

[Hawk the Demon 737]

1 hour ago, rpfc said:

Quite. But also, when was the hand back, exactly? Calling this ‘revisionist history’ is a compliment, we are so ignorant of circumstance. 

Again, when was the ‘hand back’ and you ‘take to mean’ the steady string of AFL-approved board approached people as ‘the old boys club’? What do you think Democracy of the membership will get you?! We seek ‘approval’ from the AFL for those that we wish to keep and bring onto the board because it is the best way we can ensure that HQ are vested and happy with the skills we have to provide governance of the club - to continue to bleed the constitution to ensure more ‘freedom’ for individuals to encumber that is foolhardy. Democracy is for societal bodies and governmental representation, and something to be sought for and vociferously demanded - but not at footy clubs - let’s have some perspective.

Gee you don't think much of our poor old voting members do you? That elitist approach you have just outlined has led to how many Court cases recently? - just finished one (how much did that cost?) to make changes to election processes that were obvious, continued  just to stop Board candidates being interviewed by Gerard Whateley. And three cases on the go at the moment - one against 4 Board members, a second against 7 Board members and a single one against the current Vice President. Not to mention the worst facilities in the AFL. A Board that has jettisoned two Presidents in three years. I can see the AFL looking over proceedings at Melbourne and saying "everything's just fine!".

[dazzledavey36 52,691]

 

[Ollie fan 3,031]

41 minutes ago, Hawk the Demon said:

Gee you don't think much of our poor old voting members do you? That elitist approach you have just outlined has led to how many Court cases recently? - just finished one (how much did that cost?) to make changes to election processes that were obvious, continued  just to stop Board candidates being interviewed by Gerard Whateley. And three cases on the go at the moment - one against 4 Board members, a second against 7 Board members and a single one against the current Vice President. Not to mention the worst facilities in the AFL. A Board that has jettisoned two Presidents in three years. I can see the AFL looking over proceedings at Melbourne and saying "everything's just fine!".

You never give up, do you? More Lawrence sycophancy.

[WERRIDEE 5,345]

I don't know why Roffey had to fall on her own sword when it's Goodwin that should have. The club has had a million and one controversies and Goodwin hasn't taken responsibility for any of it. If we hadn't won a premiership he'd be gone. Another year like this and he has to go.

[Adam The God 29,292]

2 minutes ago, WERRIDEE said:

I don't know why Roffey had to fall on her own sword when it's Goodwin that should have. The club has had a million and one controversies and Goodwin hasn't taken responsibility for any of it. If we hadn't won a premiership he'd be gone. Another year like this and he has to go.

🤣

Yeah, that fact rather undermines the let's sack Goody crew.

[Freddy Fuschia 728]

3 hours ago, Hawk the Demon said:

Gee you don't think much of our poor old voting members do you? That elitist approach you have just outlined has led to how many Court cases recently? - just finished one (how much did that cost?) to make changes to election processes that were obvious, continued  just to stop Board candidates being interviewed by Gerard Whateley. And three cases on the go at the moment - one against 4 Board members, a second against 7 Board members and a single one against the current Vice President. Not to mention the worst facilities in the AFL. A Board that has jettisoned two Presidents in three years. I can see the AFL looking over proceedings at Melbourne and saying "everything's just fine!".

The Board “jettisoned” one president three years ago and less than six months later, we won an AFL premiership. Soon after followed a VFL premiership, then an AFLW flag and a McClelland Trophy. If that’s what “jettisoned” means, bring it on.

I could be wrong but Kate Roffey tendered her resignation. That’s not the same as being “jettisoned”.

As for litigation, we’re aware of one set of litigation that was recently decided and its outcome. The other cases are still running and we won’t know who is at fault until the case is heard. There’s nothing we can say about that so it’s not advancing your argument at all.

[whatwhat say what 22,057]

46 minutes ago, WERRIDEE said:

I don't know why Roffey had to fall on her own sword when it's Goodwin that should have. The club has had a million and one controversies and Goodwin hasn't taken responsibility for any of it. If we hadn't won a premiership he'd be gone. Another year like this and he has to go.

yes, heaven forbid he's been successful

[Kent 2,854]

11 hours ago, Hawk the Demon said:

Gee you don't think much of our poor old voting members do you? That elitist approach you have just outlined has led to how many Court cases recently? - just finished one (how much did that cost?) to make changes to election processes that were obvious, continued  just to stop Board candidates being interviewed by Gerard Whateley. And three cases on the go at the moment - one against 4 Board members, a second against 7 Board members and a single one against the current Vice President. Not to mention the worst facilities in the AFL. A Board that has jettisoned two Presidents in three years. I can see the AFL looking over proceedings at Melbourne and saying "everything's just fine!".

Now there is a good dose of reality

[Skuit 9,920]

13 hours ago, Hawk the Demon said:

That elitist approach you have just outlined has led to how many Court cases recently? - just finished one (how much did that cost?). A Board that has jettisoned two Presidents in three years. 

Lol. Your mate takes the board to court, and then in promoting his case you cite that as evidence as to the board's incompetence? The circular logic here is truly dizzying. 

But wait. Your white-anting and disruption campaign potentially contributes to the president tendering her resignation, and so you frame that as the board jettisoning her, but as a strike against good governance? 

I'm genuinely confused. 

Edited Monday at 22:15 by Skuit

[Skuit 9,920]

More to the point, if your mate has informed your opinion that the entire MFC board is either corrupt or incompetent, what can we hope for if he achieves his desperate bid for a seat? A total clean-out, telling it like it is? It doesn't auger well for our future if that his point of view, and then has to work with some of these same people to hopefully get things done. 

 

[djr 1,307]

On 15/09/2024 at 22:47, Adam The God said:

Ironically, things have gone downhill since the AFL handed back the reigns...

What a ridiculous comment.

[djr 1,307]

9 hours ago, WERRIDEE said:

I don't know why Roffey had to fall on her own sword when it's Goodwin that should have. The club has had a million and one controversies and Goodwin hasn't taken responsibility for any of it. If we hadn't won a premiership he'd be gone. Another year like this and he has to go.

What controversies should Goodwin take responsibility for?

[layzie 32,718]

We need a revolution 

[Skuit 9,920]

4 minutes ago, Skuit said:

More to the point, if your mate has informed your opinion that the entire MFC board is either corrupt or incompetent, what can we hope for if he achieves his desperate bid for a seat? A total clean-out, telling it like it is? It doesn't auger well for our future if that his point of view, and then has to work with some of these same people to hopefully get things done. 

 

We are all free to post here anonymously within the forum rules. I'm pretty open about who I am, but will answer any other questions as honestly as I can. I think if you still want to wage this concerted board campaign though @Hawk the Demon, then it's about time and probably fair that you be a bit more transparent about who you are and your connections to Peter Lawrence, as you're clearly more of a spokesperson rather than just a simple supporter.