Welcome to Demonland: Pick #5

[Jaded No More 67,609]

1 minute ago, Undeeterred said:

Rumour has it Pick 5 asked to be traded at its exit meeting this week 

Not happy with the direction of the club

[spirit of norm smith 15,072]

13 hours ago, Undeeterred said:

Rumour has it Pick 5 asked to be traded at its exit meeting this week 

Pick 5 is concerned about MFC crowd size, Casey travel time, their brand, amount of MFC supporters on instagram and … the lack of heated towel rails in the change rooms. 

[redandbluemakepurple 348]

14 hours ago, Undeeterred said:

Rumour has it Pick 5 asked to be traded at its exit meeting this week 

Are you being sarcastic?

If not, a top 5 pick and a future 10 -20 or serviceable ruckman: bring it on!

[Undeeterred 3,037]

2 hours ago, redandbluemakepurple said:

Are you being sarcastic?

If not, a top 5 pick and a future 10 -20 or serviceable ruckman: bring it on!

Um, yes, was an attempt at satire 

[ChaserJ 4,643]

18 hours ago, Undeeterred said:

Rumour has it Pick 5 asked to be traded at its exit meeting this week 

Only wants to go to a big Melbourne club to further its brand.

Other picks not happy with how pick 5 has handled things. 

Tune in to Tradies for the latest…

Edited August 29 by ChaserJ

[Nascent 8,608]

3 minutes ago, ChaserJ said:

Only wants to go to a big Melbourne club to further its brand.

Other picks not happy with how pick 5 has handled things. 

Tune in to Tradies for the latest…

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[Demon Disciple 11,607]

Knowing pick 5’s luck, we’ll trade down just to get him.

[RedFox 442]

Are we thinking we need inside ball winners to help with clearances or some outside class to help with our ball movement & inside 50 connection?

The top 10 is stacked with both of these types so unsure what JT will have in mind.

[layzie 32,745]

22 hours ago, Undeeterred said:

Um, yes, was an attempt at satire 

Heard that it's not a popular number there right now..

[RalphiusMaximus 6,012]

6 hours ago, RedFox said:

Are we thinking we need inside ball winners to help with clearances or some outside class to help with our ball movement & inside 50 connection?

Yes

[BDA 22,238]

On 28/08/2024 at 22:53, Undeeterred said:

Rumour has it Pick 5 asked to be traded at its exit meeting this week 

Apparently, Kate Roffey to give an interview to SEN about pick 5 seeking a trade next week

Edited August 30 by BDA

[RedFox 442]

32 minutes ago, RalphiusMaximus said:

Yes

It was a question of which type with pick 5, clearly we need both but what to prioritize?

[manny100 1,387]

Now our number 5 is staying if Trainor is available at our pick we may take him.

[dazzledavey36 52,709]

27 minutes ago, manny100 said:

Now our number 5 is staying if Trainor is available at our pick we may take him.

He will be available.

But I don't think we take him that early.

Langford, Smillie, Draper, Lalor and Reid are some of the names that will be around the mark.

Edited August 31 by dazzledavey36

[manny100 1,387]

42 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

He will be available.

But I don't think we take him that early.

Langford, Smillie, Draper, Lalor and Reid are some of the names that will be around the mark.

One or 2 may be available at our pick but it depends how they are ranked. Now that Tracc has committed and Riv is giving mid a shot and pup looks like he will make it Trainor may be a chance. .

Luke Trainor did not play round 19 Coates but had a cracker round 18. Just keeps getting better as the season progresses. See rookie me scouting motes below.

Beneath i have included the link to COATES STATS FOR THE SEASON TO DATE. Interesting.

#23 Luke Trainor
Key Defender | 194cm | 10/04/2006

Stats: 33 disposals, 10 marks, 3 inside 50s

You’d be forgiven for thinking Trainor was a midfielder given how often he popped up in the front half, getting forward as often as possible early in the piece, and contributed to chain possession plays for his side. Though, he was his typical self with his aerial presence when Geelong attempted to get into its forward half. With some freedom to push forward, Trainor utilised his precision kicking heading forward, often kicking well to the advantage of his teammates on the lead. Trainor looked a little rushed and unclean at times under pressure, but his effort never wavered.

Stats Leaders: 2024 Coates Talent League H&A - Aussie Rules Rookie Me Central

Edited August 31 by manny100

[manny100 1,387]

This is an early July'24 ESPN article on Trainor. He has got even better since. All depends on rankings.

AFL Draft: Luke Trainor the premier interceptor in a draft full of midfielders - ESPN

[Macca 16,603]

On 28/08/2024 at 09:14, Adam The God said:

I reckon Langford is already that player though. He gives us ball use, whilst still being able to win his own ball and take a contested mark.

With a reasonable amount of depth with regards to midfielders in the upcoming draft, do we try and get another pick in the 8-12 area? (after somehow moving a pick in the 11-14 area up in the draft)

The only way I could see that happening is if we swap next years 1st round pick for another club's 1st rounder this season

There might be a club who believes we'll struggle next season so a swap of picks is feasible

The Tigers could be a likely suitor as they might end up with a swathe of 1st round picks (To sweeten the deal we can add in a 3rd rounder or 2)

Our midfield has a question mark over it and we need to start looking to the future in terms of replacing a player like Gus.  Viney is 32 next season and Clarrie & Petracca still need to get back to their best

Rivers has stepped up to the plate but we need to look at 2026/2027 and onwards.  It's not always about the right now

Ideally, I'd like to see us add 2 up and coming midfielders this off-season

n.b. It should be noted that after finishing in the top 4* in 2023 we ended up with picks 6 & 11 in the draft (after Academy selections, 7 & 13)

*Losing both finals dropped us down 2 spots in the draft order

Edited September 1 by Macca

[Adam The God 29,298]

14 minutes ago, Macca said:

With a reasonable amount of depth with regards to midfielders in the upcoming draft, do we try and get another pick in the 8-12 area? (after somehow moving a pick in the 11-14 area up in the draft)

The only way I could see that happening is if we swap next years 1st round pick for another club's 1st rounder this season

There might be a club who believes we'll struggle next season so a swap of picks is feasible

The Tigers could be a likely suitor as they might end up with a swathe of 1st round picks (To sweeten the deal we can add in a 3rd rounder or 2)

Our midfield has a question mark over it and we need to start looking to the future in terms of replacing a player like Gus.  Viney is 32 next season and Clarrie & Petracca still need to get back to their best

Rivers has stepped up to the plate but we need to look at 2026/2027 and onwards.  It's not always about the right now

Ideally, I'd like to see us add 2 up and coming midfielders this off-season

n.b. It should be noted that after finishing in the top 4* in 2023 we ended up with picks 6 & 11 in the draft (after Academy selections, 7 & 13)

*Losing both finals dropped us down 2 spots in the draft order

I'd absolutely be trying to be aggressive in getting access to two players in the top 15, and maybe even a third player inside the top 20.

[Nascent 8,608]

12 minutes ago, Macca said:

With a reasonable amount of depth with regards to midfielders in the upcoming draft, do we try and get another pick in the 8-12 area? (after somehow moving a pick in the 11-14 area up in the draft)

The only way I could see that happening is if we swap next years 1st round pick for another club's 1st rounder this season

There might be a club who believes we'll struggle next season so a swap of picks is feasible

The Tigers could be a likely suitor as they might end up with a swathe of 1st round picks (To sweeten the deal we can add in a 3rd rounder or 2)

Our midfield has a question mark over it and we need to start looking to the future in terms of replacing a player like Gus.  Viney is 32 next season and Clarrie & Petracca still need to get back to their best

Rivers has stepped up to the plate but we need to look at 2026/2027 and onwards.  It's not always about the right now

Ideally, I'd like to see us add 2 up and coming midfielders this off-season

n.b. It should be noted that after finishing in the top 4* in 2023 we ended up with picks 6 & 11 in the draft (after Academy selections, 7 & 13)

*Losing both finals dropped us down 2 spots in the draft order

I'm sort of torn on how to approach this draft period. I think we take pick 5 and will most likely take a midfielder which will give us 3 first round mids in two years.

Given its an even draft with a good smattering of talls as well, there's a good chance we'll pick up a kid with pick 25 (ANB) that we'll really like.

I'm wondering if it's worth while to retain our first pick for next year, not just for the possibility of finishing in the bottom half, but to attract and be able to purchase a mid that's in the 22 - 25 age bracket to compliment our older and younger players. Think Butters or Callaghan.

A consequence of always trading out our future picks is not being able to get those sort of deals done.

I'm also wary of picking up too many 18yr old mids in one year from an age profile perspective and not being able to give them opportunity.

I hope we have an eye on a couple of talls this year as well considering we are losing a lot of depth there.

[Macca 16,603]

1 minute ago, Adam The God said:

I'd absolutely be trying to be aggressive in getting access to two players in the top 15, and maybe even a third player inside the top 20.

History tells us that we've often been quite creative in terms of getting better placed in the draft

For instance, we moved up in the draft order from pick 6 to pick 3 in order to acquire Oliver

But moving up is one thing, acquiring another first round pick would be tricky to pull off

[Adam The God 29,298]

1 minute ago, Macca said:

History tells us that we've often been quite creative in terms of getting better placed in the draft

For instance, we moved up in the draft order from pick 6 to pick 3 in order to acquire Oliver

But moving up is one thing, acquiring another first round pick would be tricky to pull off

Agreed, but this was back in the day where Mahoney was a key player, as was Todd Viney. I trust JT, but the jury is out on Tim Lamb for me unfortunately. I think Tim has strengths, but we don't seem to be as nimble and efficient in trading up as we were, but there's probably a large amount of luck in all this.

Edited September 1 by Adam The God

[adonski 10,794]

4 minutes ago, Adam The God said:

Agreed, but this was back in the day where Mahoney was a key player, as was Todd Viney. I trust JT, but the jury is out on Tim Lamb for me unfortunately. I think Tim has strengths, but we don't seem to be as nimble and efficient in trading up as we were, but there's probably a large amount of luck in all this.

Lamb's been mostly doing the wheeling and dealing while we've been in the window hasn't he? Tougher to trade up and navigate pick swaps when your future picks are projected to be [censored]

[Macca 16,603]

2 minutes ago, Nascent said:

I'm sort of torn on how to approach this draft period. I think we take pick 5 and will most likely take a midfielder which will give us 3 first round mids in two years.

Given its an even draft with a good smattering of talls as well, there's a good chance we'll pick up a kid with pick 25 (ANB) that we'll really like.

I'm wondering if it's worth while to retain our first pick for next year, not just for the possibility of finishing in the bottom half, but to attract and be able to purchase a mid that's in the 22 - 25 age bracket to compliment our older and younger players. Think Butters or Callaghan.

A consequence of always trading out our future picks is not being able to get those sort of deals done.

I'm also wary of picking up too many 18yr old mids in one year from an age profile perspective and not being able to give them opportunity.

I hope we have an eye on a couple of talls this year as well considering we are losing a lot of depth there.

Good points

I reckon we'll keep T-Mac for another year so in terms of talls, we might be ok front & back

Although we absolutely need a forward/ruck unless we go again with Fullarton (who couldn't even get a run when Max was out)

If we acquired a forward/ruck who is not just depth, do we keep Petty, JVR & Turner in the forward line as well?  Probably not

May, Lever & T-Mac down back is enough but maybe Petty goes back in a swing role (if we add in a forward/ruck) In that situation, T-Mac becomes depth? 

And there are injuries to consider especially with Lever & May

[Adam The God 29,298]

1 minute ago, adonski said:

Lamb's been mostly doing the wheeling and dealing while we've been in the window hasn't he? Tougher to trade up and navigate pick swaps when your future picks are projected to be [censored]

Look, maybe I should retract my previous comment, because I'm not 100%. I thought Mahoney was often driving it, but as list manager, Tim would have played a significant role. But things don't appear to have worked as well since Viney and Mahoney left, so I can only assume they played a greater part. 

[Adam The God 29,298]

2 minutes ago, Macca said:

Good points

I reckon we'll keep T-Mac for another year so in terms of talls, we might be ok front & back

Although we absolutely need a forward/ruck unless we go again with Fullarton (who couldn't even get a run when Max was out)

If we acquired a forward/ruck who is not just depth, do we keep Petty, JVR & Turner in the forward line as well?  Probably not

May, Lever & T-Mac down back is enough but maybe Petty goes back in a swing role (if we add in a forward/ruck) In that situation, T-Mac becomes depth? 

And there are injuries to consider especially with Lever & May

I think our talls are alright for next year.

We need to put our chips into beefing up the midfield and a small lockdown defender to release McVee higher. But maybe AMW can play this role?