Draft or Recruit

[The Great Pretender 480]

Before we think of trading early draft picks we need to get a handle on the depth of the draft.

According to the pundits this one is deep at the top end. We don’t have to trade picks up from 6 to 4 - we might get our player anyway.

[Ted Lasso 19,586]

Draft and develop, plus recruit role players with high character and leadership via free agency, build up salary cap space and make big moves while winning to maximise how attractive we are in the marketplace. 

[Sir Why You Little 37,459]

We need to be involved in both. 
 

We need replacements for Gus and ANB, the boys at Casey are not up to it 

[Tarax Club 4,192]

 

Post the Prendergast pantomime, JT’s got something of the ET’s when comes to the top drawer. 

DRAFT!

[layzie 34,528]

Keep calm

And trade up

[Queanbeyan Demon 7,029]

8 hours ago, whatwhat say what said:

fortunately, you can walk and chew gum at the same time

Do you know the wording of the original statement @whatwhat say what?

[Queanbeyan Demon 7,029]

6 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

Thinking about GWS who have managed to bounce back from a bad situation incredibly well. They had a lot of players to trade out due to just always having an insanely stacked list. We don’t have a spare Taranto and Hopper lying around sadly. 

But it was the draft for Tom Green (and Ash) and Finn Callaghan. Don’t muck around with early picks.

Then trading for Hogan who took years to really come good. Picking up a nice roll player in Bedford. And otherwise waiting for youth to come through. 

Replace ANB and Brayshaw with the best mids we can find in the 24-26 range just to fix the depth and health of the list. Fill out the depth talls too and maybe take a punt on someone with high upside.

But otherwise JT with a top 7 pick and hopefully a few more in the top 40 of a deep draft.

We have a shed load of blokes on good coin that can't hit a target.

[Little Goffy 14,970]

Draft now (Smilie and both Whitlocks) into free agency 2025 (Brayshaw and both De Konings) into premiership 2026-2028.

Somehow I'm still sustaining a small sliver of optimism

[DistrACTION Jackson 10,749]

4 hours ago, BDA said:

I reckon going to the draft is the go. I have every confidence in JT. I don’t have near as much faith in Tim lamb. 

You do realise Taylor would be involved in talent acquisition for trades as well 

[Young Blood 2,642]

For me it has to be both. We will have to be really active and creative

- Split the picks: Our pick 6/7 for Gold Coasts 10+20 and a player back perhaps) 

- Use first pick

- Trade second first rounder for Houston (or other similar caliber player)

- ANB for pick 27 (crows) or 32 (Port)

- Sign Peatling (the exact player we should be prioritizing... basically another Rivers)

Look at other out of favour players like Ben Hobbs, Reef McInnes/Finlay Macrae, Matthew Owies, Jack Lukosius.

Any other similar suggestions?

 

Edited August 15, 2024 by Young Blood

[Demons11 7,149]

8 hours ago, 640MD said:

We recruited well with May, Lever, Lsngrrs and props Tomlinson but not so great since 

But some really great draft picks. A very hard call.  Depends who is available and hind sight is spectacular and always correct 

You have to understand when we recruited those players we had cap space.  It’s a lot harder to recruit quality when you have tight cap which we would have had over the few years

[whatwhat say what 23,868]

37 minutes ago, Queanbeyan Demon said:

Do you know the wording of the original statement @whatwhat say what?

i didn't, but fortunately, there's google...

riposte:

[Queanbeyan Demon 7,029]

32 minutes ago, whatwhat say what said:

i didn't, but fortunately, there's google...

riposte:

Nope - it was Johnson. But that is not what he said.

[demon3165 2,865]

3 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

We need to be involved in both. 
 

We need replacements for Gus and ANB, the boys at Casey are not up to it 

From what I watched the game plan down there is worse than the seniors, was watching Kentfield when he played the first couple of games he did more more running into the backline and running back into the forward line, he would never have done that in his short career, Dunstall, Lockett would have been dropped for not chasing their opponent, and the delivery into the forward line was woeful.

[Sir Why You Little 37,459]

5 minutes ago, demon3165 said:

From what I watched the game plan down there is worse than the seniors, was watching Kentfield when he played the first couple of games he did more more running into the backline and running back into the forward line, he would never have done that in his short career, Dunstall, Lockett would have been dropped for not chasing their opponent, and the delivery into the forward line was woeful.

One of our problems. The VFL Comp is nowhere near good enough for training 

[Dr. Gonzo 24,468]

Draft for talent and trade for needs

I don't think we can go all-in on the draft by trading out our senior players considering the depth that's walked out the door the last couple of years. Senior players we may be willing to let go like Salem aren't going to get us much. We already have too much dead wood on the list without trading out potential best 22.

I didn't think I'd say it after the flag but 3 years later our list is in a real hole. Schache, Brown, Fullarton, Hunter, Billings, Smith all need to be turned over. Brayshaw and ANB are done. Tomlinson will likely leave. TMac and Melksham may have 1 year left if that. Then you have guys like Laurie, Jefferson, Howes, Verrell, Farris White, AMW, Adams, McAdam, Sestan, K Brown, Taj and Kolt who have shown a bit but not enough to know whether they will make it long term or not.

It is not beyond redemption but it is teetering on the precipice. A good offseason could see us bounce back quickly, a poor one could see us down for another decade.

Edited August 15, 2024 by Dr. Gonzo

[John Demonic 5,988]

We need to Draftcruit

Some oldies and some newies

Edited August 15, 2024 by John Demonic

[demon3165 2,865]

8 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

One of our problems. The VFL Comp is nowhere near good enough for training 

Agree there the comp is woeful but they play the way as the seniors but not impressed with the coach, but it is what it is.

[greenwaves 516]

If our window is closed and we burn our draft picks on top ups. then our next premiership will be ten plus years away.

[John Demonic 5,988]

What do DL folk think about trading a future 1st to get another first rounder this year? Some clubs might think it will be a top 5 pick, whereas internally they're thinking we'll be contending again. Ripe conditions to trade it. Which team could be willing to part with theirs? 

 (If its not being used on Houston)

Edited August 15, 2024 by John Demonic

[Dr. Gonzo 24,468]

1 hour ago, Demons11 said:

You have to understand when we recruited those players we had cap space.  It’s a lot harder to recruit quality when you have tight cap which we would have had over the few years

We should definitely have cap space to splash around. Brayshaw being retired and our key players on long term contracts should give us flexibility to make a big play for a recruit but since bringing in May we haven't seemed to be in the picture.

Edited August 15, 2024 by Dr. Gonzo

[Sir Why You Little 37,459]

3 minutes ago, demon3165 said:

Agree there the comp is woeful but they play the way as the seniors but not impressed with the coach, but it is what it is.

I haven’t seen enough Casey games to have an idea on any of that

i am just waiting for the end of Round 24

[Dr. Gonzo 24,468]

2 minutes ago, John Demonic said:

What do DL folk think about trading a future 1st to get another first rounder this year? Some clubs might think it will be a top 5 pick, whereas internally they're thinking we'll be contending again. Ripe conditions to trade it. Which team could be willing to part with theirs? 

 (If its not being used on Houston)

Depends on the quality of the draft and if we have any FS/NGA picks next year. Doesn't sound like this year is a particularly strong draft.

[Matt Demon 1,597]

1 minute ago, John Demonic said:

What do DL folk think about trading a future 1st to get another first rounder this year? Some clubs might think it will be a top 5 pick, whereas internally they're thinking we'll be contending again. Ripe conditions to trade it. Which team could be willing to part with it? 

 (If its not being used on Houston)

This is what I'm hoping we do, we've been masters of it in the past so hopefully it continues. Take best available at pick 5/6 and maybe we can trade our future first and get another pick around 10/12.

[DeeZone 10,596]

2 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Depends on the quality of the draft and if we have any FS/NGA picks next year. Doesn't sound like this year is a particularly strong draft.

That is not what everyone is sayyDr. Gonzo they are saying it is strong and deep into the 40’s