Play him in the Forward line. 15 years in the Midfield is a long time, we could still get a few good seasons with him in the side if he could help kick a score

15 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Play him in the Forward line. 15 years in the Midfield is a long time, we could still get a few good seasons with him in the side if he could help kick a score

He could certainly lay a lot more crunching tackles in a congested forward line than most of his compatriots

18 hours ago, 48 Year Now said:

The club has always ignored his terrible disposal because he is so brave, passionate and an accumulator of disposals. The result is when he drops his disposal numbers he looks ordinary as he can’t rely on finding a man with the few disposals he gets. He has been poorly coached for much of his time at the Club.

This post makes me want the old 'thinking face' reaction option back.

I'd be slightly generous to him and say his disposal was 'unreliable', but even then, unreliable is not good. It is a little bit like there are two possible points of failure in each disposal - sometimes it is a poorly executed kick, sometimes it is a poor decision for the kick, and sometimes it comes together in a single crucial moment that costs you a semi-final (notwithstanding the team effort to kick 2.6 in the final quarter).

It does make me lean a little more in favour of Viney going up forward. Let him be the hunter-killer in the chaos, where even a brain fart can still get surprising results with much less risk.

19 hours ago, monoccular said:

Sad but true.

Who and when was an underperforming ‘big name’ player dropped? Can’t remember myself.

Grundy.

But the less said about that the better..

If you're not over his horrible disposal and terribly dumb decision making I'm not sure you're breathing.

If it wasn't bad enough that he cost us the final against Carlton, he then screws the club at the end of last year in order to extend his contract by taking advantage of the mess the club was in with Petracca, Oliver and Pickett.

His one in 6 or 7 ''hard'' games, when he actually does play well, doesn't suffice.

The cliff comes quickly for some players and it's come for him. And he's here for 4 more years !!

Lamb is a moron who blinked and I doubt Goodwin has the balls to drop him. Just stuck with him.

50 minutes ago, Gator said:

If you're not over his horrible disposal and terribly dumb decision making I'm not sure you're breathing.

If it wasn't bad enough that he cost us the final against Carlton, he then screws the club at the end of last year in order to extend his contract by taking advantage of the mess the club was in with Petracca, Oliver and Pickett.

His one in 6 or 7 ''hard'' games, when he actually does play well, doesn't suffice.

The cliff comes quickly for some players and it's come for him. And he's here for 4 more years !!

Lamb is a moron who blinked and I doubt Goodwin has the balls to drop him. Just stuck with him.

Wasn’t Lamb stuck in a pretty hard place with everything though?

Interest from North for Viney for more money (who went on to win our B&F), Petracca frankly burning the club down publicly at the time of Viney’s signing (considering Tracc wouldn’t deny any of the media reports which is tacit confirmation he was ready/threatening/wanting to leave) and we were, now known factually, floating Oliver around to other clubs because he was off the rails.

What leverage did Lamb have to work with considering the club was an absolute [censored] show at the time? If Viney left, there would be a 1000 page thread on ‘why didn’t we re-sign our 2024 B&F player’ right now and how it’s one of our biggest failures.

5 minutes ago, BoBo said:

Wasn’t Lamb stuck in a pretty hard place with everything though?

Interest from North for Viney for more money (who went on to win our B&F), Petracca frankly burning the club down publicly at the time of Viney’s signing (considering Tracc wouldn’t deny any of the media reports which is tacit confirmation he was ready/threatening/wanting to leave) and we were, now known factually, floating Oliver around to other clubs because he was off the rails.

What leverage did Lamb have to work with considering the club was an absolute [censored] show at the time? If Viney left, there would be a 1000 page thread on ‘why didn’t we re-sign our 2024 B&F player’ right now and how it’s one of our biggest failures.

Viney still had a year to run at the end of last season.

8 minutes ago, Fat Tony said:

Viney still had a year to run at the end of last season.

Is this a lesson in the pitfalls of trusting AI? Locked in until 2024 season? If he signed a 4 year extension, then doesn’t that mean 25,26,27,28?

23 minutes ago, BoBo said:

Is this a lesson in the pitfalls of trusting AI? Locked in until 2024 season? If he signed a 4 year extension, then doesn’t that mean 25,26,27,28?

The original deal was to 2025. He is now signed for 3 more years.

4 minutes ago, Fat Tony said:

The original deal was to 2025. He is now signed for 3 more years.

Right ok, thank you for the correction, then I’m wrong @Gator . He did indeed Blink.

Never trusting Google AI again.

13 hours ago, BoBo said:

Right ok, thank you for the correction, then I’m wrong @Gator . He did indeed Blink.

Never trusting Google AI again.

AI: Pregnant women can eat portugese tarts quite safely.

Also AI: pregnant women should absolutely avoid portugese tarts because an ingredient is raw egg.

Y'see, it depends on how you ask and what the AI picks at semi-random to use.

If it stumbles across and prioritises advice from, say, the UK NHA, then it will use that to confirm Portugese tarts are fine.

If it hits a recipe first, then it will see 'fresh eggs' and say, oh, no no no, none for you. Nevermind that the recipe includes, you know, cooking the eggs.

This is also why AI can credit the B-17 bomber with 100% of submarine sinkings by air power in the European theatre of WW2; B-17s were a part of the combined operations group which hunted submarines, and the AI is only looking for the B-17s and doesn't place them in context (in this case, context means the presence of Catalinas or Lancasters or Wellingtons etc).

Combine fact [B-17s exist in air group X] with fact [number of submarines sunk by air group X] and you get 'AI fact' [B-17s number of submarines sunk].

It is really important to not use AI for pretty much anything. The fact that you can't turn off the Google results 'AI summary' is a disaster that has probably already killed people, nevermind ruining school projects or causing confusion on a footy forum.

Pardon the digression. My goat was got.

1 hour ago, Little Goffy said:

AI: Pregnant women can eat portugese tarts quite safely.

Also AI: pregnant women should absolutely avoid portugese tarts because an ingredient is raw egg.

Y'see, it depends on how you ask and what the AI picks at semi-random to use.

If it stumbles across and prioritises advice from, say, the UK NHA, then it will use that to confirm Portugese tarts are fine.

If it hits a recipe first, then it will see 'fresh eggs' and say, oh, no no no, none for you. Nevermind that the recipe includes, you know, cooking the eggs.

This is also why AI can credit the B-17 bomber with 100% of submarine sinkings by air power in the European theatre of WW2; B-17s were a part of the combined operations group which hunted submarines, and the AI is only looking for the B-17s and doesn't place them in context (in this case, context means the presence of Catalinas or Lancasters or Wellingtons etc).

Combine fact [B-17s exist in air group X] with fact [number of submarines sunk by air group X] and you get 'AI fact' [B-17s number of submarines sunk].

It is really important to not use AI for pretty much anything. The fact that you can't turn off the Google results 'AI summary' is a disaster that has probably already killed people, nevermind ruining school projects or causing confusion on a footy forum.

Pardon the digression. My goat was got.

Nah it was a good digression! Very interesting WW2 plane knowledge. And yes you’re right, AI is very problematic. I was reading about model collapse the other day and although I don’t know very much about technical stuff, it intuitively seems correct. The more AI generates results, the more it becomes self referential and spoils the information pool.

My guess would be that Jack isn't 100%, he was pretty good last season with out much help. His contact has another 3 years to flattern his payments in the clubs interests l imagine. If he plays vfl and guides the young blokes in his final year or two l can live with that

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1 hour ago, Demons1858 said:

My guess would be that Jack isn't 100%, he was pretty good last season with out much help. His contact has another 3 years to flattern his payments in the clubs interests l imagine. If he plays vfl and guides the young blokes in his final year or two l can live with that

Veteran presence, as they say. It would be a credit to his humility if he were willing to see out the contract as a kind of playing coach at Casey and back-up hard body at senior level.

It's hard to find a pattern on Viney's form over his career because so often he's played injured or heavily niggled, and carried an excess burden of hits to protect young stars.

Personally I'm getting angrier and angrier at the football world and beginning to think it is time we started 'asserting ourselves physically' on field and calling out the bs off the field.

Losing Brayshaw was a really damaging blow to the club, but I feel like amicably tolerating Maynard's existence in the following KB game was the moment our club really stumbled.

What do you stand for if you'll just 'aww shucks oh well' at something like that.

Anyway... Viney. Not shy of the physical stuff and an occasional mid-season rest might do him good.

Viney’s been an excellent player for us, yes the contract is too long but only if the price is exorbitant. Stop belittling his career, he’s a great of the club. Not only has he played his share of cracker games he’s driven standards.

1 hour ago, Roost it far said:

Viney’s been an excellent player for us, yes the contract is too long but only if the price is exorbitant. Stop belittling his career, he’s a great of the club. Not only has he played his share of cracker games he’s driven standards.

Agreed fully. We might be managing some payments down - who knows.

He's been a wonderful player for us. Not an AFL great but a Demons great. He'll also be a wonderful on-field coach leader in time and drives a ferocious standard that I'm happy to have around the club to help develop and protect the young crop. Extending his contract (subject to it being for ridiculous coin) is not a concern of mine.

What's interesting this year is seeing where he is touching the pill. He's usually roughly on parody between contested and uncontested ball. This season, his uncontested disposals are doubling that of his contested.

Looks like a slight different in role/structure for Jack where he is getting more of it on outside.

Bit of a worry for mine as he's never been an overly wonderful kick of the ball. Wouldn't mind him back in and under.

4 minutes ago, Deeko2 said:

Agreed fully. We might be managing some payments down - who knows.

He's been a wonderful player for us. Not an AFL great but a Demons great. He'll also be a wonderful on-field coach leader in time and drives a ferocious standard that I'm happy to have around the club to help develop and protect the young crop. Extending his contract (subject to it being for ridiculous coin) is not a concern of mine.

What's interesting this year is seeing where he is touching the pill. He's usually roughly on parody between contested and uncontested ball. This season, his uncontested disposals are doubling that of his contested.

Looks like a slight different in role/structure for Jack where he is getting more of it on outside.

Bit of a worry for mine as he's never been an overly wonderful kick of the ball. Wouldn't mind him back in and under.

100%. We don’t want him getting too much on the outside as it isn’t his go. We need him winning at the coalface and then shovelling out to the good ball users. Same with Clarry.