Christian Petracca

[beelzebub 23,168]

16 minutes ago, Macca said:

I wouldn't be siding with a self centred, money-hungry divisive figure like HWSNBN (II)

He'll get support elsewhere as opposition  supporters and the media like nothing more than weakening a rival or a club that is in the gun ... so it's always the club's fault, not the fault of the selfish, divisive figure

Those people here who have played  a bit of sport know full well how even one bad egg can destroy a club

That type of figure can divide the playing group and it's often the coaching that cops it in the neck as a consequence

So the club really is bigger than the individual.  By siding with the aforementioned, you're not helping your club

We should just take what we can get for him (some club will pay up) and get on with maintaining the team ethos

HWSNBN-11 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[Jaded No More 67,532]

1 minute ago, beelzebub said:

HWSNBN-11 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

The no BS no CP thread is gonna go off @Redleg

[Ungarieboy 409]

This could potentially set a very bad precedent, one which the AFL don't want and can't handle.

Players requesting trades to improve their brand (earning potential) that is provided by the clubs with bigger supporters bases.

It's outside the salary cap, but an obvious enticement and reward for playing for said club. These clubs could even promote (sell it) to the extent players take a reduced salary knowing they have 100,000 members subscribing to their site!

[beelzebub 23,168]

4 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

The no BS no CP thread is gonna go off @Redleg

Already addressed 😉🤣

[whatwhat say what 22,031]

2 minutes ago, Ungarieboy said:

This could potentially set a very bad precedent, one which the AFL don't want and can't handle.

Players requesting trades to improve their brand (earning potential) that is provided by the clubs with bigger supporters bases.

It's outside the salary cap, but an obvious enticement and reward for playing for said club. These clubs could even promote (sell it) to the extent players take a reduced salary knowing they have 100,000 members subscribing to their site!

it definitely happens all the time in the states in their big sports

i think it'll become more the norm here too

it happened i'd say 20 years ago in the nrl

[Macca 16,592]

His camp are deflecting away from the real reason he wants out - Money

I'm not suggesting that the club doesn't have the odd issue or 2 but make no mistake, this is about his earning capacity and he wants the football world to believe that it's not about the money

So the pile on will continue 

Meanwhile, our club has to stave off the football world coming at them but worst of all, it's own supporters piling on

And it's always about the club for my liking.  Individuals come and go and selfish individuals need to go quicker

Edited August 29 by Macca

[At the break of Gawn 4,400]

2 minutes ago, Ungarieboy said:

This could potentially set a very bad precedent, one which the AFL don't want and can't handle.

Players requesting trades to improve their brand (earning potential) that is provided by the clubs with bigger supporters bases.

It's outside the salary cap, but an obvious enticement and reward for playing for said club. These clubs could even promote (sell it) to the extent players take a reduced salary knowing they have 100,000 members subscribing to their site!

Judd did it back in 2008 or whenever he left. Remember how they made him a Visy ambassador? It’s not new, but it’s just more visible with social media.

[beelzebub 23,168]

Just now, Macca said:

His camp are deflecting away from the real reason he wants out - Money

I'm not suggesting that the club doesn't have the odd issue or 2 but make no mistake, this is about his earning capacity and he wants the football to believe that it's not about the money

So the pile on will continue 

Meanwhile, our club has to stave off the football world coming at them but worst of all, it's own supporters piling on

And it's always about the club for my liking.  Individuals come and go and selfish individuals need to go quicker

The classic...  oh sorry can't make Friday's dinner .. ( got a better offer 😉 )

[whatwhat say what 22,031]

Just now, beelzebub said:

The classic...  oh sorry can't make Friday's dinner .. ( got a better offer 😉 )

our naomi's breakthrough role

[Royal Demon 112]

6 minutes ago, Ungarieboy said:

This could potentially set a very bad precedent, one which the AFL don't want and can't handle.

Players requesting trades to improve their brand (earning potential) that is provided by the clubs with bigger supporters bases.

It's outside the salary cap, but an obvious enticement and reward for playing for said club. These clubs could even promote (sell it) to the extent players take a reduced salary knowing they have 100,000 members subscribing to their site!

You bring up and interesting point that could potentially be taken one step further. I'm not suggesting that this is the case with this situation but there is also the potential that potential suitors could promise certain 3rd party endorsement deals this way. The AFL need to be looking into new media and influencer deals very carefully in the future.

[Dr. Mubutu 752]

11 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

The no BS no CP thread is gonna go off @Redleg

[beelzebub 23,168]

Trac is ( or should we be candid, was ) a very good player. On his day could turn a game. Marvellous stuff.

And here we are. No player is THAT good you sell the farm or cow tow to. 

Grievances are one thing , too many tix-on-self is another. 

If his focus is NOT on being a TEAM MEMBER ... then is that who we want ?

Trac....either you're with us or you're agin us. No in between.

Go Dees..   you coming along Christian ? 

Edited August 29 by beelzebub

[YearOfTheDees 3,263]

If Christian Petracca demands a trade to the point the the MFC had to let him go would his contract stand. Ie another club has to take over the contract or would he negotiate a new contract. 

[Travy14 1,813]

I hope people back off the Trac hate a little after the Roffey interview today.  I have no faith that the upper management have been competent in looking out for Trac and his family after the incident.

Looks like they see it as a football issue not a club one.

Time to both bury the hatchet, say we both went about it the wrong way, and move forward

[Travy14 1,813]

3 minutes ago, YearOfTheDees said:

If Christian Petracca demands a trade to the point the the MFC had to let him go would his contract stand. Ie another club has to take over the contract or would he negotiate a new contract. 

They have to take on his contract

[layzie 32,686]

When you open the thread to find the following comments for the umpteenth time:

"This thread has gone off Trac"

"Show me concrete evidence that he wants to leave"

You know that you have not missed a thing and are living a very healthy Thursday life..

[Jjrogan 1,391]

1 hour ago, drdrake said:

Is this the opportunity for the club to reset the list for another crack at the flag.

I don't think we can win another flag with our current midfield, we need a better balance with contested bulls to silk ball users.  We also have an aging ruck with no support.

Trac is our best player, has the most trade currency, love him at the dees but we can win from moving him on.

Get Tom De koning and Carlton first round pick this year, they don't want it they just need points for FS selection. Add in our 2nd round to get a future first as well.  Get stuck into Gold Coast, freo trade future 1st for one of their 2024 first round picks.

Take 3 first round picks to the draft and try to get 3 quality players plus De Koning.  We have a good base of youngsters and some experience heads that should be around for 3 odd years.  

We can rebuild quickly, but we might need to lose a favourite ti make this happen

This is what we need to be thinking about now. Trades this year can't be taking place in a vacuum. Do we seriously think we are a genuine contender without the number one score involvment player in the comp?? For a team that can't score?? (4-6 without him) I definitely don't.   If we draft these nqrs, we probably eek out a 6-12th finish and then struggle through the Tassie charity years.    we need to swallow this bitter pill and set us up for the back half of the decade. If it sounds like I'm throwing the baby Trac out with the bath water I am. 

[Norm Smith's Curse 2,414]

Ultimately the club should have been on the phone to the family and partner when he was in ICU.

The club could have even sent Ubers for the family and things like that.

Tell me Eddy at the Pies wouldnt have don't all that. 

I have met Kate a few times and always been impressed with her but to admit either correctly or by mistake that she hadn't spoken to his parents or family was a major error. 

[Norm Smith's Curse 2,414]

1 minute ago, Jjrogan said:

This is what we need to be thinking about now. Trades this year can't be taking place in a vacuum. Do we seriously think we are a genuine contender without the number one score involvment player in the comp?? For a team that can't score?? (4-6 without him) I definitely don't.   If we draft these nqrs, we probably eek out a 6-12th finish and then struggle through the Tassie charity years.    we need to swallow this bitter pill and set us up for the back half of the decade. If it sounds like I'm throwing the baby Trac out with the bath water I am. 

Yeah good time to bottom out a little and trade in some youth and draft pics before Tassie comes in.

[beelzebub 23,168]

1 minute ago, Travy14 said:

I hope people back off the Trac hate a little after the Roffey interview today.  I have no faith that the upper management have been competent in looking out for Trac and his family after the incident.

Looks like they see it as a football issue not a club one.

Time to both bury the hatchet, say we both went about it the wrong way, and move forward

I agree..... but.....

It's very hard to unhear or unsee something. Someone wrote it's akin to say your partner cheating on you and then you get back together.  The TRUST is never the same.  Yes you can work through it but often flounders.

The difference in games can be just a % or two of effort, a cm here a cpl of secs there. If EVERYONE  is not on same page going in same direction....you're stuffed.

I think this was on show through our season. 

[Gawndy the Great 9,008]

1 minute ago, Travy14 said:

I hope people back off the Trac hate a little after the Roffey interview today.  I have no faith that the upper management have been competent in looking out for Trac and his family after the incident.

Looks like they see it as a football issue not a club one.

Time to both bury the hatchet, say we both went about it the wrong way, and move forward

I don’t completely disagree with what she said though. 

I would expect her to reach out and express her best wishes, which I’m sure he has done. To both Trac and the family. But she is not the avenue to solve this problem as much as people think.

She is in fact Trac’s bosses (Goody) bosses (Richo) bosses (Pert) boss.  In a workplace environment have you ever sat down directly to solve a major problem with the Board chair? I can guarantee that rarely happens. She wouldn’t even be on the task force to work on this issue, in fact neither should Pert unless Richo and Goody are completely incapable at fixing this.

Once you apply a corporate lens, (on reflection as my immediate reaction was to crucify her) I’m not really surprised to what she is saying.

 

[roy11 3,641]

7 minutes ago, Travy14 said:

I hope people back off the Trac hate a little after the Roffey interview today.  I have no faith that the upper management have been competent in looking out for Trac and his family after the incident.

Looks like they see it as a football issue not a club one.

Time to both bury the hatchet, say we both went about it the wrong way, and move forward

I’m still hopeful this can occur. I remember a post Christian did once on social media which ended with ‘fans are the heart and soul of football clubs’.  

Well, we’re all hurting

[biggestred 4,764]

27 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

The no BS no CP thread is gonna go off @Redleg

C P-G O thread*

Edited August 29 by biggestred

[beelzebub 23,168]

Just now, roy11 said:

I’m still hopeful this can occur. I remember a post Christian did once on social media which ended with ‘fans are the heart and soul of football clubs’.  

Well, we’re all hurting

How big was his 'brand' then ? asking for a friend ..

[Watson11 2,190]

1 minute ago, YearOfTheDees said:

If Christian Petracca demands a trade to the point the the MFC had to let him go would his contract stand. Ie another club has to take over the contract or would he negotiate a new contract. 

His contract is with us.  Nothing to do with any other club. 

It’s different with Grundy who had a contract with the pies and could have remained, played VFL, and been paid his large salary still. The pies wanted him out and off their books, we were only prepared to pay less, so the Pies paid part of his salary.  

In Traccs case, if he wants out of his contract, he needs to negotiate with any club that wants him and no guarantee they are prepared to pay his current salary. 

The media’s understanding of basic contract law is ridiculously shallow.