2 minutes ago, SPC said:

Goodwin has backed himself into a corner as he has never made tough selection calls. He plays his favourite players, so players are allowed to be poor with no repercussions. Players are performing well below their best and they are a big part of the problem, but this problem was created by Goodwin.

He is the disease that has spread. No fringe player is willing to push their case for selection as they are overlooked, senior players feel untouchable and have a severe case of arrogance. All coach enabled, harnessed and overlooked.

Fringe players? I don't see much talent there and there's about 6-8 in the Seniors who are VFL standard as well

But I agree that Goodwin has been too loyal to the (so-called) senior players ... but that doesn't give the players an out as they've decided to check out

The premiership went to their heads and it didn't help when the club (not Goodwin) decided to offer them long term juicy contracts

Chances are we're going to be stuck with a bunch of lame ducks

1 minute ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

I'm not letting the players off the hook, I think they are equally as culpable as the footy department.

Fair enough, you probably need to call them out when you call out the coach ... as there is a direct connection

Edited July 28Jul 28 by Macca

4 minutes ago, picket fence said:

RIghto son, whatever u want to believe! Over and out on this one

Cheers P.F

We can agree to disagree PF

10 minutes ago, manny100 said:

BB - The exact type of player we need forward now. Unfortunately Petty cannot create separation of the lead like BB and is better suited back.

BB spent his last year in the reserves because the gameplan was changed to a style that didn't suit his strengths. Instead of kicking to leads it turned into bombing to packs.

I often wonder if Petts or JVR would be more successful if it was put out in front of them instead of bombed in where the loose defender can pick it off or 5 blokes smash into each other

Headline from Herald Sun. Dees must swap ‘love-in’ for hard edge as Goodwin fronts board

I totally agree with this. Love in sums it up perfectly. Goody seems like a lovely bloke but everything has got to cosy. Everything is PR speak learnings; working hard; next premiership list; Goody my favourite coach. It flies in the face of what everyone can see a club in a nosedive to the bottom. It not just the St Kilda game but the continued blind faith that it will turn around. It won't. Goody inherited an A grade list but has given every indication he is totally bereft of how to rejuvenate a list. It a different challenge.

Green is Goodwin’s biggest supporter

Gawn effusive

Think the board are going find this difficult

5 minutes ago, Deesprate said:

Headline from Herald Sun. Dees must swap ‘love-in’ for hard edge as Goodwin fronts board

I totally agree with this. Love in sums it up perfectly. Goody seems like a lovely bloke but everything has got to cosy. Everything is PR speak learnings; working hard; next premiership list; Goody my favourite coach. It flies in the face of what everyone can see a club in a nosedive to the bottom. It not just the St Kilda game but the continued blind faith that it will turn around. It won't. Goody inherited an A grade list but has given every indication he is totally bereft of how to rejuvenate a list. It a different challenge.

Replace Godwin and we are still stuffed. The Board will want a blow-up Messiah to whom they can flick-pass all responsibilty. Lets hope that Guerra has a focus on his job not reputations.

Maybe I missed it, but why has no one mentioned the fact that he had both Pickett and Melksham benched for the last few minutes of the game, when any score would have seen us win the game (not that that would have excused the last quarter capitulation)? That was one of the worst examples of coaching I can recall for a long time.

21 minutes ago, Macca said:

We can agree to disagree PF

Yeah! 😋

24 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

I'm not letting the players off the hook, I think they are equally as culpable as the footy department.

More than happy for people to rip into the players, they are soft and lack leadership and composure.

But I'm interested in tangible solutions to our current plight. Goodwin has tethered himself to this group. He has backed them in time and time again through selection and positioning. For those who think the players are at fault and need to go do we think Goodwin, or anyone else in the Footy Dept are going to be the ones to facilitate that change? We need a new regime with a fresh vision for the club. The dream of another flag with this group and this footy department has been dead for two years. Keeping Goodwin, Richo, Lamb, etc just guarantees another 12 months of sitting still.

1 minute ago, redandbluemakepurple said:

Replace Godwin and we are still stuffed. The Board will want a blow-up Messiah to whom they can flick-pass all responsibilty. Lets hope that Guerra has a focus on his job not reputations.

There's a fair chance that the first decision made by Smith, Guerra and the Board is whether Goodwin stays or goes. Welcome to the MFC and should we sack the coach?

How's that for an opening gambit?

Any decision should be made in the off-season as it's only a month away. Right now would be a poor look and reflect badly on the club

But if we want to overhaul the list then Goodwin has to be on board with that direction

5 minutes ago, Macca said:

There's a fair chance that the first decision made by Smith, Guerra and the Board is whether Goodwin stays or goes. Welcome to the MFC and should we sack the coach?

How's that for an opening gambit?

Any decision should be made in the off-season as it's only a month away. Right now would be a poor look and reflect badly on the club

But if we want to overhaul the list then Goodwin has to be on board with that direction

Why do we have to overhaul the list? We have some good youngsters coming through and a core of seniors that could still reach their peak. We desperately need a key forward though. The reasons we are where we are are Goodwin too defensive especially when the game is close. Too soft on Oliver. Oliver is the other reason, hasn't been any good since we won the flag. Plays poor football week in week out and never gets dropped. Solve those 2 problems and we will be back up there again.

7 hours ago, DemonOX said:

Can u imagine some of the words he would include while presenting to the board, learnings, no stone unturned, building something special and that’s just off the top of my head 🤮🤮🤮

We'll go back and unpack it all, We'll own it, that's not us, It’s Incredibly disappointing!

Edited July 28Jul 28 by YesitwasaWin4theAges

1 minute ago, WERRIDEE said:

Why do we have to overhaul the list? We have some good youngsters coming through and a core of seniors that could still reach their peak. We desperately need a key forward though. The reasons we are where we are are Goodwin too defensive especially when the game is close. Too soft on Oliver. Oliver is the other reason, hasn't been any good since we won the flag. Plays poor football week in week out and never gets dropped. Solve those 2 problems and we will be back up there again.

We don't have to overhaul the list

But in my view, we do need to overhaul the list. Need speed, skills, marking ability up forward and we need to trade out the deadwood

We need picks to get back into the draft as we also need more new young talent

We probably need 2 key forwards but trying to even get hold of 1 KPF is a task. We need another goal-kicking small forward who can be relied upon

The midfield needs a shake up as the old brigade is stale with poor kicking skills

And from an overall perspective we have far too many underperformers on the list. Depth is poor as well

The ladder doesn't lie ... we are 6 & 13 this year and 7 & 18 from our last 25 games

If we had a decent list we'd be winning a lot more games. The list isn't suddenly going to become a winning list without an injection of real talent

Forget about what should be, that ship has sailed

Coach keeps talking about learnings, but Havent we in reality actually unlearned everything since 21?

We used to be a great side and now we are very ordinary.

Edited July 28Jul 28 by DeeZee

22 minutes ago, KozzyCan said:

More than happy for people to rip into the players, they are soft and lack leadership and composure.

But I'm interested in tangible solutions to our current plight. Goodwin has tethered himself to this group. He has backed them in time and time again through selection and positioning. For those who think the players are at fault and need to go do we think Goodwin, or anyone else in the Footy Dept are going to be the ones to facilitate that change? We need a new regime with a fresh vision for the club. The dream of another flag with this group and this footy department has been dead for two years. Keeping Goodwin, Richo, Lamb, etc just guarantees another 12 months of sitting still.

I still believe we can achieve something with this group if Goodwin and the footy department are clean out at seasons end.

If fresh eyes come in new coach, new assistants, new footy boss, trade out one of Oliver or Trac + Lever to a North Melbourne we can generate some draft capital and revitalise the playing list.

We don't need a wholesale rebuild we have the up and coming talents plus some prospects at Casey who aren't getting opportunities under Goodwin.

Plus a decent trade period bring in 21-23 y.o players like Derksen, Perkins, raid some more BWS players we can turn it around like the pies did.

This has to be the thinking of the board now too much has gone on, its time to cut the cord give him a grand send off and we start next season fresh with fresh eyes and ears.

Goodwin. This is on you.

St Kilda gave Wanganeen-Milera a four-minute spell early in the last quarter (12m to 16m) before he unleashed the Marvel Stadium Miracle.

Pickett was benched for nine minutes from the 20m mark. Players do get stuck on the bench but that kind of move loses you games of footy

6 hours ago, Macca said:

The players lost the game yesterday

Not the coach

What about our straight line deterioration over the past 4 years? Or the 6 losses in the past 7 games?

Who gets the blame for that? The guy that cuts the half time oranges?

3 minutes ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Goodwin. This is on you.

St Kilda gave Wanganeen-Milera a four-minute spell early in the last quarter (12m to 16m) before he unleashed the Marvel Stadium Miracle.

Pickett was benched for nine minutes from the 20m mark. Players do get stuck on the bench but that kind of move loses you games of footy

Players don't get stuck on the bench when 9 goals are kicked in the quarter. That's a stuff up.

Just now, jnrmac said:

What about our straight line deterioration over the past 4 years? Or the 6 losses in the past 7 games?

Who gets the blame for that? The guy that cuts the half time oranges?

Well that's a completely different question and would require an essay in reply (I'm not going to bother as all that stuff has been covered ad nauseum)

But as for yesterday, our senior players were the main culprits. They choked

And at some stage the players just have to get it done as they can't be coached every minute of a game

I'm surprised that you and most others haven't figured it out

But there again, the pile on with Goodwin just never stops.

Perhaps he should get out there and hold their hands? Poor diddums

5 hours ago, Oxdee said:

Sam Mitchell would have this list in the top 8… goodwins game plan is horrendous

Absolutely Ox.

I suspect some players are taking the pizz and need to be moved on but there is no way in hell we are this bad.

The outcomes we are seeing are largely a result of what is spitting out the other end of the coach's sausage machine.

Ultimately it's his recipe and cooking.

The players are the ingredients.

With some past their use by and a few others are rotting and a few replacements needed via some visits to Aldi.

Edited July 28Jul 28 by Demon Dynasty

1 hour ago, DeeZee said:

Coach keeps talking about learnings, but Havent we in reality actually unlearned everything since 21?

We used to be a great side and now we are very ordinary.

The game changed and super-fast ball movement along with precision skills is now required

We haven't got a list that can play that style

Thus, we need to overhaul the list. It's happened quickly too in the space of a few years

So whilst we stuck to what we knew for too long, the game has passed us by

I don't watch a lot of footy these days but I've caught a few Bulldogs games. They can be lightning quick and Lord knows how we're going to be able to keep up with them

Huge off-season coming up but we'll be playing catch-up regardless of who is involved with the FD

I said this to my brother, I would like us to give him 3 options.

Option 1 - he coaches out next season, we bring in a new highly rated assistant that is going to take over from him in 2027. He gets a swansong of sorts as thanks for getting us a premiership, the club says "we are rebuilding", and the new assistant/coach in waiting begins to implement his style over the year.

Option 2 - He coaches out the rest of the season, it's announced he won't coaching in his final season. He's given the chance for it to be a "mutual parting of ways", potentially pay him out his final year or at least part of it.

Option 3 - If he won't walk, or play ball with a succession. He gets the sack. He can coach a final game if he'd like but that is up to him.

Bottom line for me: we can't go into 2026 with him as our first line plan for the future. I can cop him being around if it means we have the succession in place, and it could help with transition from old to new. But if he finds that disrespectful or wrong, then he is showing he is not willing to put the club first.

Now unfortunately I don't feel like any of that is going to happen, and I'll be a broken record here: Richo must go, personally I think replacing him is far more important.

10 hours ago, SFebes said:

I think Max suggested it was in the second quarter mate, he mentioned it in his interview.

Yes - saw that.

9 hours ago, picket fence said:

If this is correct it is a DISGRACE! WHO THE HELL is on the board???

BRAD GREEN (PRES)

GEOFF PORZ (VP)

DAVID RENNICK

SARAH ROBINSON

SALLY FREEMAN (re-elected in 2024)

(below elected in 2024)

ANGELA WILLIAMS

CHRIS BARLOW

STEVEN SMITH