13 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Pretty sure he did say he spoke to high official at the club. May have said Guerra? I can't recall sorry..

Is that the CEO who hasn't started yet ? Why would he say anything before actually being involved and accountable

Is looking like a poor choice and another hapless tool of a bad management board

46 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

5 of our 12 losses this year have been to the bottom 8. I’d argue all 5 have been our worst 5 games, too (maybe the GC thrashing is up there). Losing to the top 9 is one thing, and had we had a middling season of beating weaker sides but not being able to match it with better ones, I’d cop the “change takes time” thing a touch more. I’d obviously like to see some better evidence of a new, workable, efficient gameplan which appears to be capable of driving us to a flag, of course.

But to have a muddled team consistently losing to bottom 8 sides, the same way most times too (slow start, more scoring shots, more inside 50s, inaccuracy), and finishing the year with 6-8 wins only, with the best run with injuries we’ve had in years, is unacceptable.

Excellent post. Losing to bottom 8 sides this year, while performing better against top 8 sides is both staggering and totally unacceptable. That to me is a coaching issue, not solely a player issue. 

We have poor skills, but the players look like they don’t know what they are doing, where they should be or where they should be leading to - they look confused, and as a result, they are not confident in their delivery. I’d go as far as to say that their skills would improve no end if they were confident in what they were doing. That to me is a coaching issue.

9 or 10 years is a long time in a coaching role - especially when performance is on a steep decline. Yesterdays performance was the final nail in the coffin for me. The players are lost - time for a new voice.

I have been a great supporter of Simon but someone has to take responsibility for the way we repeatedly lose game. Forward line connection has been an issue for 4 year now and it is getting worse. Simon can tout out the same line about improvement and learning, but what has he and the coaching staff done to correct this? 17% efficiency in goal scoring repeatedly more possessions, more inside 50's more behinds than goals has been going on all season. Either players have to be moved on or the coaching restructured and give someone else a go.

Change has to happen

45 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Pretty sure he did say he spoke to high official at the club. May have said Guerra? I can't recall sorry..

Goody's walking buddy 😉

It's just unfathomable that people believe Goody is not a major part of the issue.

Whether it's selection integrity, an inability to motivate our senior players, lack of positional change, slow to adapt, it is clear as day that this club needs a change at the top. I just cannot believe that there are supporters who think he still has what it takes and that he is not part of the problem.

The signs are as clear as day that the senior group are simply not responding. And when that occurs, you know something is up.

Having been involved in high level sport, I can only imagine how Goody's repetitive, boring and robotic messaging around 'what we value', 'what needs to be at the level', 'how we want to play' must be landing. One of the most important attributes of a coach is motivating a playing group and he is simply failing abysmally in this area. The writing is absolutely on the wall.

Do supporters realise we were almost at full strength and Carlton were missing half their best 22 just about? That is a [censored] disgrace. A disgrace.

I don't care what it costs financially, if supporters believe that this senior group is going to bounce after another pre-season of Godwin's messaging, you've lost it. I know for a fact from certain people connected with the club that there were already a handful of players who were against the way Goody wanted to play. That they thought it was not working, was boring, boring for the fans. I mean it's clear as day that there's truth in that given the lack of fight, motivation and connectedness across the group week to week in match day performance. Absolutely clear.

If he stays next year, we might see more senior players want out than we'd like. If he goes and we bring someone like Buckley in, I can see a spike in performance immediately from a senior core group who are desperate for a fresh voice and someone who can set a new standard and bring a rebirth of motivation, performance standards, lightness and fun.

This current setup is dead. Goodwin will talk positives in every media conference, he'll continue to spin the "I have incredible belief" talk no matter how bad it gets.

The decision needs to be made.

Not sure if it's Goody or the assistants but a change in coaching is now becoming a necessity. I thought it may have been the players, or an aberration; but it's seems we are coached to

• Move the ball on with speed, by giving it instantly to the firtst player they see, regardlees if that person is in a better position, or worse covered!

• we stand in space (waving our hand) and not run to the space, worse we don't move out of it.

• Our firwards run back towards goal, or leas to the deep pocket, instead of leading up at the ball carrier

• Our midfield don't defend the outlet (we are not going to win every contest, opposition's tend to have good midfielders to)

• We tackle with our arms (easy to break throug) instead of our shoulders and rarely with intent

• We don't get enough numbers to the drop of the ball

• Bringing the ball through the corridor is normally done via a stationary player; not to a player moving to advantage

Now it could also be the players at fault (contributing to this) but the the coaches should be dragging them, or dropping them, till they get the message.

Edited 9 hours ago9 hr by Ungarieboy

11 minutes ago, Older demon said:

I have been a great supporter of Simon but someone has to take responsibility for the way we repeatedly lose game. Forward line connection has been an issue for 4 year now and it is getting worse. Simon can tout out the same line about improvement and learning, but what has he and the coaching staff done to correct this? 17% efficiency in goal scoring repeatedly more possessions, more inside 50's more behinds than goals has been going on all season. Either players have to be moved on or the coaching restructured and give someone else a go.

Change has to happen

Spot on, many supporters in denial , thanks for the flag but the fall from grace he needs to be held to account inc Richardson running of the footy dept, reality how many 10 year coaches have won another flag basically rebuilding the list, exclude Scott as he was gifted a premiership team in 11, Goody is cooked needs to go as perhaps 1 more chance with our seniors left

16 minutes ago, Neil Crompton said:

Excellent post. Losing to bottom 8 sides this year, while performing better against top 8 sides is both staggering and totally unacceptable. That to me is a coaching issue, not solely a player issue. 

We have poor skills, but the players look like they don’t know what they are doing, where they should be or where they should be leading to - they look confused, and as a result, they are not confident in their delivery. I’d go as far as to say that their skills would improve no end if they were confident in what they were doing. That to me is a coaching issue.

9 or 10 years is a long time in a coaching role - especially when performance is on a steep decline. Yesterdays performance was the final nail in the coffin for me. The players are lost - time for a new voice.

A big part of this is the messaging and narrative from the president, Goodwin and the FD, and the leadership group.

They show up against better opponents and start slow against poorer ones because as the club has been saying, they still think they're a top 6 team. They view teams like carlton as below them and don't take the challenge as seriously.

But when we need to travel to Brisbane or face down Sydney? No worries. Demon time.

This is all reinforced by picking the same premiership players despite prolonged form slumps, not holding them to high standards, not going after any senior talent to add to the team (because we don't need it, right?) and so on.

Through the last couple of successful years we have allowed arrogance to fester - entrecote, Langdon/Mays comments on Collingwood - I don't usually buy into this stuff being important - but in hindsight I think there has been a clear trend of the club holding onto the past and being in denial of what is now staring us in the face with two consecutive bottom 4 finishes.

The penny won't drop until Goodwin moves on, Gawn retires, or the old guard actually get dropped. It happened recently with Lever - it should have happened with Clarry, Trac, May, Salem, and others at various times.

The FD no doubt justify that 50% May output is still better than Jed Adams...which couldn't miss the point more. Adams isn't paid to be May, and it's not his role. it is May's role, and he's not been performing in it.

Sends the wrong message to both May and Adams. Rinse and repeat for the likes of Laurie in place of a Trac, Clarry or Viney.

It's all broken and [censored] about - and it's a clear outcome of poor leadership and a bad FD.

Another thing,

It doesn’ ttake that long to embed a new game plan / playing style. Think Craig McRae, Brad Scott is constantly resisting his; even Dean Cox has got his up and running.

Gold Coast has latched on to Dimma's. Kingsley hardly had a blimp. Yze is progressing quickly.

Players adapt to rule changes almost overnight, they can also adapt to game play!!*7

15 minutes ago, Ungarieboy said:

Another thing,

It doesn’ ttake that long to embed a new game plan / playing style. Think Craig McRae, Brad Scott is constantly resisting his; even Dean Cox has got his up and running.

Gold Coast has latched on to Dimma's. Kingsley hardly had a blimp. Yze is progressing quickly.

Players adapt to rule changes almost overnight, they can also adapt to game play!!*7

Great post.

And the players buy in to the game plan as they start to see it working.

This builds, effort, confidence, intensity, belief etc.

I don't think the players would care if the game plan was boring, if they could actually see that it worked.

It doesn't work and the trust and belief seems to be broken.

Time to rip the band-aid off

Goodwin “ we’re trying to build something”.

Oh come on Goodwin, just more Spin.

Been there 9 years, gone backwards despite having most of the premiership team still on the list.

Why is he TRYING to build something now?

He just needed to steer the ship straight after 2021 but appears he’s been asleep at the wheel.

The blame for our demise starts with him.

11 hours ago, Allen Jakovich said:

The immediate, instinctive, first impulse of going backwards when we get the pill is driving me [censored] crazy. Can't help but wonder what this list could have done over the past 5 years with a different coaching group...

Exactly, play on at all costs and drive down the line and take a risk!

46 minutes ago, Howard_Grimes said:

It's just unfathomable that people believe Goody is not a major part of the issue.

Whether it's selection integrity, an inability to motivate our senior players, lack of positional change, slow to adapt, it is clear as day that this club needs a change at the top. I just cannot believe that there are supporters who think he still has what it takes and that he is not part of the problem.

The signs are as clear as day that the senior group are simply not responding. And when that occurs, you know something is up.

Having been involved in high level sport, I can only imagine how Goody's repetitive, boring and robotic messaging around 'what we value', 'what needs to be at the level', 'how we want to play' must be landing. One of the most important attributes of a coach is motivating a playing group and he is simply failing abysmally in this area. The writing is absolutely on the wall.

Do supporters realise we were almost at full strength and Carlton were missing half their best 22 just about? That is a [censored] disgrace. A disgrace.

I don't care what it costs financially, if supporters believe that this senior group is going to bounce after another pre-season of Godwin's messaging, you've lost it. I know for a fact from certain people connected with the club that there were already a handful of players who were against the way Goody wanted to play. That they thought it was not working, was boring, boring for the fans. I mean it's clear as day that there's truth in that given the lack of fight, motivation and connectedness across the group week to week in match day performance. Absolutely clear.

If he stays next year, we might see more senior players want out than we'd like. If he goes and we bring someone like Buckley in, I can see a spike in performance immediately from a senior core group who are desperate for a fresh voice and someone who can set a new standard and bring a rebirth of motivation, performance standards, lightness and fun.

This current setup is dead. Goodwin will talk positives in every media conference, he'll continue to spin the "I have incredible belief" talk no matter how bad it gets.

The decision needs to be made.

ASTUTE POST🫡

Had a Melbourne membership call last year offering a special deal. I told her that everyone in my immediate family would buy a full membership as soon as Goody is gone. To her credit she wrote down my pledge and said she would pass it on. I asked her if others have said similar and she said a lot of people she is calling are disillusioned with where the club is.

His legacy is already tainted as he is putting his own interest above the needs of the club. He needs to go before everyone loses hope.

Dees summed up ...

2 hours ago, Billy said:

A succession plan headed by Goody?

No thanks

He must be gone, period. Hasn't earned the right to participate in a succession plan. Just need to refresh HC, FD and assistants.

Time to say goodbye to 2021 for good. If we are serious about competing again in the next couple of years.

27 minutes ago, sydneydee said:

Had a Melbourne membership call last year offering a special deal. I told her that everyone in my immediate family would buy a full membership as soon as Goody is gone. To her credit she wrote down my pledge and said she would pass it on. I asked her if others have said similar and she said a lot of people she is calling are disillusioned with where the club is.

His legacy is already tainted as he is putting his own interest above the needs of the club. He needs to go before everyone loses hope.

Digging his own grave Simon is.

We need to learn the lessons of history, especially the 60s. In particular, l remember an episode of Get Smart featuring a seductive character called "Simon the Likeable".

Edited 6 hours ago6 hr by bush demon
I missed a key phrase...

5 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

If its anything to go off based on what David Zita was saying on FOX after the game then get use to having Goody "for 2026 and beyond" He said the club fully backs Goodwin and want to add experience players and not get younger

Tough pill to swallow losing last night in itself but then to hear that news was even more deflating.

The idea the club accepts this mediocrity and Goodwin's job isn't even up for discussion is simply just laughable. Can't even stomach another wasted season and yet the club are keen for more.

The idea we're looking for experience makes me lol. We're going to have another summer of doing our best to keep key players like Petracca Oliver Rivers fritsch Lever

The only name that would even look at us is Worpel, yet going for another midfield plodder who cant kick when already 75% of our midfield is just like him in Oliver viney Petracca shows the club's head is very much in the sand about where we're at

It comes a stage when any coach after a decade needs a change and not for the sake of change, Longmire , Simpson & Clarkson had their success and after a decade it was time to clear the air, Goodwin needs to put his hand up and say for the good of the players & club he’s done what he could as his message isn’t working and thank him for the flag and forever grateful.

Edited 5 hours ago5 hr by Demonsone

What I find not good enough about this club is the fact we just accept this [censored] performance, year after year.

The only news stories about us are about Steven May’s accidental hit on the Carlton player (can’t recall his name).

There’s no uproar, no anger, and nothing being said about movement of players or coaches.

We just accept this repeat insipid performances and move on.

I don’t claim to have the answers on movement, and what solves our issues everywhere across the field, but cmon, where is the media pressure, the club pressure and CEO saying “we see what’s happening, we have a plan” etc.

11 minutes ago, SadDee said:

What I find not good enough about this club is the fact we just accept this [censored] performance, year after year.

The only news stories about us are about Steven May’s accidental hit on the Carlton player (can’t recall his name).

There’s no uproar, no anger, and nothing being said about movement of players or coaches.

We just accept this repeat insipid performances and move on.

I don’t claim to have the answers on movement, and what solves our issues everywhere across the field, but cmon, where is the media pressure, the club pressure and CEO saying “we see what’s happening, we have a plan” etc.

That’s because we have been in interim mode since Roffey & Pert departures… long term decisions can’t be made it’s been an unstable club forever even during our premiership & what come after is a cause of our current position!

1 hour ago, bush demon said:

We need to learn the lessons of history, especially the 60s. In particular, l remember an episode of Get Smart featuring a seductive character called "Simon the Likeable".

https://vimeo.com/179639133?share=copy

16 hours ago, BrisbaneDemon said:

High performance organisations dont accept 1 season of poor performance, let alone two in a row. Strong organisations make tough calls to ensure the future can be a successful one, this clearly isn’t working, on all levels we’re declining.

I’ve read all the Pros and Cons on this thread, what I struggle to understand is the pro to keep Goodwin for 2026, no team jumps from 13/14 to win the flag, even if he made finals, its unlikely we’d extend his contract, it makes zero sense to go into 2026 with Simon as coach, he’ll be sacked by mid year and we have completely wasted another trade period, draft, preseason and season.

Great organisations know exactly where their list is, what the future holds and makes move to improve for the future,I think we’ll be spineless and completely wasted another trade 2026.

Great Post. Spot on. I’m amazed at the acceptance at an organisational level of below par performances by the team and individual players. Part of the problem is we haven’t had an elite , sustained winning culture since the 1950s . We’ve become used to losing and mediocrity.

Edited 4 hours ago4 hr by FabDemon

I really have no vested interest in who coaches us. I just want it to be someone who cares about the club and sets a high standard.

While I don't agree with a lot of what Goodwin has done, the fact is that he is the only coach who brought this club success in 60 years. So he must know what he's doing to some extent. He put these guys in a position to succeed 3 years in a row and the top end of our group failed on the big stage time and again. And they continue to fail.

Regardless of what game style you're employing, the guys we had playing last night should have been good enough to grab the game by the scruff of the neck and end it in a 10 minute burst. But the lack of intensity, ability to execute and fight is shocking. And because it's been like that for pretty much all of my lifetime, it just feel like focusing on the coach is papering over the cracks, and it feels like we've travelled that road before.

What I really want is a club where the players are the ones who set the standards and drive excellence. Instead of hearing rumours every year about this player being unhappy and that player being unhappy, I want to hear that player A is shattered by an underperfoming season and is fighting tooth and nail to turn it around for the CLUB.