39 minutes ago, bing181 said:

Not only that, but we lost more matches (%) with the stand-in coaches.

Sacking a coach sends a club backwards. Fact.

Did we go backwards after we sacked Balme? Made a prelim the next year?

Did we go backwards after sacking Neeld? Got Roos in and started the rebuild towards the flag.

More is lost by indecision than wrong decision.

4 minutes ago, deegirl said:

Conceding two goals in the last minute was disgraceful

Was actually the last 20 seconds

50 minutes ago, bing181 said:

Not only that, but we lost more matches (%) with the stand-in coaches.

Sacking a coach sends a club backwards. Fact.

How far backwards do you want to go? The problem we have right now is that we are losing EXACTLY the same way each week.

There is a break inside the Football Department, it must be dealt with…

29 minutes ago, Chook said:

Incorrect

Not incorrect. Have a looked at what happened in the seasons when we sacked Bailey, Neeld etc. And not just Melbourne for that matter. You lose more matches than what you were losing under the sacked coach.

As for the rest of your post ... bizarre. Lions sacked Leppitsch in 2016. Fagan (finally!) won a premiership in 2024, 8 years later. As much to do with list turnover as anything. McRae eventually took Collingwood to a flag after Buckley stepped down. Scott took Geelong to 2 flags in nearly 15 years (!) after Thompson stood down. Goodwin won a flag after replacing Roos who stood down. Hardwick replaced Wallace who stood down mid-season. Even then, it took Hardwick 7 years to win a flag. Simpson took over at WCE after Worsfold stepped down. etc. etc.

If your claim is that sacking coaches leads to premierships, there's zero evidence of that, the only recent premiership that went to a club that sacked a coach is the Lions (after 8 years ...). Meanwhile, across all this period, the clubs that have sacked coaches haven't won any premierships.

21 minutes ago, Hopeful Demon said:

Yep he's done. I don't buy into the myth that we're just trying out a new gameplan and that we should all be patient. That's such a massive cop out. We're completely devoid of any gameplan or any system at all.

Goodwin has done some good in the past but he has well and truly overstayed his welcome. It pains me to say it because I used to be a big supporter of his.

it's not a myth

we are demonstrably trying out a new gameplan

it is clearly a complete failure

3 minutes ago, bing181 said:

Not incorrect. Have a looked at what happened in the seasons when we sacked Bailey, Neeld etc. And not just Melbourne for that matter. You lose more matches than what you were losing under the sacked coach.

As for the rest of your post ... bizarre. Lions sacked Leppitsch in 2016. Fagan (finally!) won a premiership in 2024, 8 years later. As much to do with list turnover as anything. McRae eventually took Collingwood to a flag after Buckley stepped down. Scott took Geelong to 2 flags in nearly 15 years (!) after Thompson stood down. Goodwin won a flag after replacing Roos who stood down. Hardwick replaced Wallace who stood down mid-season. Even then, it took Hardwick 7 years to win a flag. Simpson took over at WCE after Worsfold stepped down. etc. etc.

If your claim is that sacking coaches leads to premierships, there's zero evidence of that, the only recent premiership that went to a club that sacked a coach is the Lions (after 8 years ...). Meanwhile, across all this period, the clubs that have sacked coaches haven't won any premierships.

So we should all just sit tight and wait??

It reminds me of the last years of Daniher, the players loved him, tried to change his gameplay and it was a flop as we fell off a cliff. History is repeating itself.

Simply Goodwin and his team dont have the answers. Personally based upon the games so far, the team is not progressing.

What we don't want is the situation with Simpson at the Eagles that dragged out too long for no benefit for the coach or the players/club.

Unless a miracle happens, Simon Goodwin is gone.

Selwyn Griffth the head of fitness is probably gone too. Our 4th quarters are embarrassing. We just run out of steam?!

I think the bloke from "The Deebrief" was quite measured with his response.

Edited April 12Apr 12 by Supreme_Demon

5 minutes ago, bing181 said:

Not incorrect. Have a looked at what happened in the seasons when we sacked Bailey, Neeld etc. And not just Melbourne for that matter. You lose more matches than what you were losing under the sacked coach.

As for the rest of your post ... bizarre. Lions sacked Leppitsch in 2016. Fagan (finally!) won a premiership in 2024, 8 years later. As much to do with list turnover as anything. McRae eventually took Collingwood to a flag after Buckley stepped down. Scott took Geelong to 2 flags in nearly 15 years (!) after Thompson stood down. Goodwin won a flag after replacing Roos who stood down. Hardwick replaced Wallace who stood down mid-season. Even then, it took Hardwick 7 years to win a flag. Simpson took over at WCE after Worsfold stepped down. etc. etc.

If your claim is that sacking coaches leads to premierships, there's zero evidence of that, the only recent premiership that went to a club that sacked a coach is the Lions (after 8 years ...). Meanwhile, across all this period, the clubs that have sacked coaches haven't won any premierships.

So are you saying that Goody should stand down like Buckley did in 21.

15 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Did we go backwards after we sacked Balme? Made a prelim the next year?

Did we go backwards after sacking Neeld? Got Roos in and started the rebuild towards the flag.

More is lost by indecision than wrong decision.

Yes we did. Balme was replaced by Hutchinson, who continued to lose matches. Craig replaced Neeld and proceeded to lose even more matches than Neeld had been doing, even though you'd hardly think that was possible.

As for making a prelim the year after sacking Balme, if that's evidence that sacking coaches leads to making finals the following year, you need to cite ALL the years we've sacked coaches and what happened the following year. It's no accident you had to go back nearly 20 years to find the one outlier, how many prelims did we get to after sacking Bailey and Neeld?

It's not just about Melbourne either, these patterns are repeated across multiple teams in multiple competitions. You sack a coach, you generally go backwards - which isn't surprising because the reason you're losing matches isn't so much the coach but the players/list, and when a new coach comes in they're stuck with the same players. Only solution is list change which Paul Roos understood, regardless of his abilities as a coach.

Goodwin’s press conference had a different feel. Angry and under pressure. Admitting the players didn’t show enough fight.

It sounded terminal.

1 minute ago, bing181 said:

Yes we did. Balme was replaced by Hutchinson, who continued to lose matches. Craig replaced Neeld and proceeded to lose even more matches than Neeld had been doing, even though you'd hardly think that was possible.

As for making a prelim the year after sacking Balme, if that's evidence that sacking coaches leads to making finals the following year, you need to cite ALL the years we've sacked coaches and what happened the following year. It's no accident you had to go back nearly 20 years to find the one outlier, how many prelims did we get to after sacking Bailey and Neeld?

It's not just about Melbourne either, these patterns are repeated across multiple teams in multiple competitions. You sack a coach, you generally go backwards - which isn't surprising because the reason you're losing matches isn't so much the coach but the players/list, and when a new coach comes in they're stuck with the same players. Only solution is list change which Paul Roos understood, regardless of his abilities as a coach.

You don't seem to get it. Sacking a struggling coach during the season might not have an immediate impact but it can be very beneficial in the long run. Compare the Melbourne at the end of Neeld's run to the Melbourne at the end of Roos' run. Not in the same [censored] ballpark. And Brisbane were already in contention two years after they sacked Leppitsch.

Letting Goodwin stay till the end of the year will be unbelievably dumb if these are the performances we keep on getting. The players look completely drained by his 'system.'

Edited April 12Apr 12 by Hopeful Demon

18 minutes ago, darkhorse72 said:

What we don't want is the situation with Simpson at the Eagles that dragged out too long for no benefit for the coach or the players/club.

Yep, West Coast let it go on way too long.

I was staggered to read on Demonland the other day, posters advocating for Adam Simpson.

The only experienced coach I'd be interested in who's gettable is Bevo, otherwise we should be looking for a young up and comer.

Edited April 12Apr 12 by Adam The God

2 minutes ago, Hopeful Demon said:

Sacking a struggling coach during the season might not have an immediate impact but it can be very beneficial in the long run.

Yep, sacking Bailey really set us on a path to success.

As for where we were at the end of Roos run, what we had in comparison to the Neeld era was not so much a new coach but a list that had turned over so many players it was barely recognisable as the same club.

21 minutes ago, bing181 said:

Yes we did. Balme was replaced by Hutchinson, who continued to lose matches. Craig replaced Neeld and proceeded to lose even more matches than Neeld had been doing, even though you'd hardly think that was possible.

As for making a prelim the year after sacking Balme, if that's evidence that sacking coaches leads to making finals the following year, you need to cite ALL the years we've sacked coaches and what happened the following year. It's no accident you had to go back nearly 20 years to find the one outlier, how many prelims did we get to after sacking Bailey and Neeld?

It's not just about Melbourne either, these patterns are repeated across multiple teams in multiple competitions. You sack a coach, you generally go backwards - which isn't surprising because the reason you're losing matches isn't so much the coach but the players/list, and when a new coach comes in they're stuck with the same players. Only solution is list change which Paul Roos understood, regardless of his abilities as a coach.

It's about getting clear air, having a circuit breaker for the club and moving on while getting a headstart on trying to find your next coach.

Waiting til the end of the year then trying to identify your next coach (a minimum 3-4 week process) while many of them are in the midst of finals campaigns as assistant coaches and then trying to get a coaching team/FD together in time for trade period etc - it's just idiotic. Once it is clear the coaches time is up you need to rip the band-aid off.

Of course the team is unlikely to improve instantly and make a run to the finals but keeping a coach around that is a dead man walking is good for no-one.

Also Roos came in and had a VFL level list. Our list is playing like garbage but it is not a VFL level list. Plenty of talent for a new coach to work with, it is clear they are no longer responding to Goodwin even if he does know what he's doing (which I doubt).

Edited April 12Apr 12 by Dr. Gonzo

Can anyone give me a good reason?

Chaplin takes over who can't coach the forward line? What good does that do?

Sack him at the end of the year and hopefully we are already talking to Horse.

I don't know if anyone would want to take the job, we have no president we have no ceo and we have given our first round pick to Essendon. The only chance of getting back into the draft is trading Kossie, I don't know Petracca will give us anything and Clarry definatley won't give us anything. He's currently the worst player in the AFL ATM I don't know whats happened to him but his form stinks I personally think they have been too soft on him.

37 minutes ago, WERRIDEE said:

Can anyone give me a good reason?

Chaplin takes over who can't coach the forward line? What good does that do?

Sack him at the end of the year and hopefully we are already talking to Horse.

I don't know if anyone would want to take the job, we have no president we have no ceo and we have given our first round pick to Essendon. The only chance of getting back into the draft is trading Kossie, I don't know Petracca will give us anything and Clarry definatley won't give us anything. He's currently the worst player in the AFL ATM I don't know whats happened to him but his form stinks I personally think they have been too soft on him.

the only good reason to do it now is to enable a transparent and in the open process for the next coach. instead of sneaking around behind his back

3 hours ago, bing181 said:

Not incorrect. Have a looked at what happened in the seasons when we sacked Bailey, Neeld etc. And not just Melbourne for that matter. You lose more matches than what you were losing under the sacked coach.

As for the rest of your post ... bizarre. Lions sacked Leppitsch in 2016. Fagan (finally!) won a premiership in 2024, 8 years later. As much to do with list turnover as anything. McRae eventually took Collingwood to a flag after Buckley stepped down. Scott took Geelong to 2 flags in nearly 15 years (!) after Thompson stood down. Goodwin won a flag after replacing Roos who stood down. Hardwick replaced Wallace who stood down mid-season. Even then, it took Hardwick 7 years to win a flag. Simpson took over at WCE after Worsfold stepped down. etc. etc.

If your claim is that sacking coaches leads to premierships, there's zero evidence of that, the only recent premiership that went to a club that sacked a coach is the Lions (after 8 years ...). Meanwhile, across all this period, the clubs that have sacked coaches haven't won any premierships.

Collingwood won a flag two years after sacking Buckley.

If any of Gold Coast, Hawthorn or Giants win the flag this year they will be doing so under a relatively new coach.

Regardless I'm not even thinking about premierships right now. The club is in freefall

We don’t even have a CEO or permanent president in place. The decision making of the club isn’t in place, we need a good experienced CEO in place asap to guide us through this mess

We are 0-5

We can’t defend or attack

Our game plan is unwatchable and the players don’t look like they want to be there

We know the talent level is there, an interim coach releasing the shackles and telling them to have fun and play attacking footy will if nothing else at least make us better to watch

24 minutes ago, KozzyCan said:

Collingwood won a flag two years after sacking Buckley.

Buckley wasn't sacked.

"NATHAN Buckley has stepped down as Collingwood coach, saying it is time for change and it is the right decision."

30 minutes ago, KozzyCan said:

If any of Gold Coast, Hawthorn or Giants win the flag this year they will be doing so under a relatively new coach.

The only one of those who sacked their coach was Gold Coast (Stuart Dew). Not sure they'll be winning a flag this year, or any year soon for that matter - though they are improving.

2 minutes ago, bing181 said:

The only one of those who sacked their coach was Gold Coast (Stuart Dew). Not sure they'll be winning a flag this year, or any year soon for that matter - though they are improving.

Learnings

4 hours ago, WERRIDEE said:

Can anyone give me a good reason?

Chaplin takes over who can't coach the forward line? What good does that do?

Sack him at the end of the year and hopefully we are already talking to Horse.

I don't know if anyone would want to take the job, we have no president we have no ceo and we have given our first round pick to Essendon. The only chance of getting back into the draft is trading Kossie, I don't know Petracca will give us anything and Clarry definatley won't give us anything. He's currently the worst player in the AFL ATM I don't know whats happened to him but his form stinks I personally think they have been too soft on him.

The job pages $1 million a year, no problem finding coaches.

Oliver will give us some currency