Time to go Goody?

[58er 6,362]

7 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

0 times premiership coach who oversaw the triumphant behaviour of the likes of De Goey and Ginnivan Nathan Buckley? 

 

Was Ginnivan there in Bucks time at Pies? 

[58er 6,362]

7 minutes ago, old dee said:

I have never been a big fan but saying he should go is crazy. This year we were hit badly with injuries, we lost Gus before the first ball was bounced. IMO that is the major reason we missed finals. We would not have made the GF but injuries ruined our season.

We can’t afford another lack lustre style of play and although injuries occurred we can’t risk another contest/ defence season of booting footy. 
We will get less crowds and fans if we do. 
Good time for change and refresh our Club and be a destination Club again. 

[Jaded No More 68,855]

7 minutes ago, 58er said:

Was Ginnivan there in Bucks time at Pies? 

He was his coach for the first season of his career.

Was also there for the sexting scandal, not to mention captain during the rat pack years, and of course the racism saga

Edited September 12 by Jaded No More

[djr 1,430]

18 minutes ago, Dave1711 said:

Goodwin must go, I’m sick of all the [censored] we’re going through and it’s all down to Goodwin, bring in Nathan Buckley 

But you said in another post that if we get all our players back and firing, we have a good premiership chance. Now you want to sack the coach. Bizarre.

[Young Blood 2,574]

8 minutes ago, 58er said:

We can’t afford another lack lustre style of play and although injuries occurred we can’t risk another contest/ defence season of booting footy. 
We will get less crowds and fans if we do. 
Good time for change and refresh our Club and be a destination Club again. 

Who's the coach who replaces him that is available? Someone with a good proven track record would be good.

Edited September 12 by Young Blood

[Witches Hat 417]

2 hours ago, rjay said:

Of course the pressure will be on next year...along with a host of others including Voss, Bevo, McRae if they fail again, Longmuir, Nicks, Clarko...Dimmer if they tread water

Kenny kicks it all off this weekend and Fagan is on shaky ground if Brisbane get bundled out.

It's probably easier to list who is not under the pump...Scott (Chris), Longmire, Kingsley..

Excellent point. I'd add Mitchell to those three but of the rest, eleven would expect to make finals and those that don't will certainly feel the media and fan heat. Only ones exempt from finals expectations are Yze and Clarkson but if I was a North supporter I'd want massive improvement on what he's delivered so far. Another two win season for Richmond and it may well be bye bye Adem. Whoever gets the West Coast job probably has a free hit. 

[ElDiablo14 4,990]

2 hours ago, Ted Lasso said:

Sure, win percentage is still 63% and very solid against any other AFL team.

The only arguement you could make against Goody is that we should have won at least 1 more premiership between 21-24 but that's a huge ask for any coach given Chris Scott has an insane coaching record and only has 2 flags in a much longer period of time, and one he basically inherited off Bomber Thompson as well.

Mate, we should've at least made it to a PF.

Just win one final and you are there.

[Ted Lasso 19,191]

6 minutes ago, ElDiablo14 said:

Mate, we should've at least made it to a PF.

Just win one final and you are there.

And there were obvious reasons in both finals series we didn't get a win, we did bloody well to get as close as we did in all 4 games though. would you sack a premiership coach 2 years after a premiership because we lost a semi final by a couple of points?

[layzie 33,728]

If only there was a game this week.

That would be the equivalent to the ump just throwing the ball up in this thread.

[I'va Worn Smith 971]

31 minutes ago, layzie said:

If only there was a game this week.

That would be the equivalent to the ump just throwing the ball up in this thread.

Concise, but bloody spot on.  Well said.  My only problem with the Dees and our leadership is that the media clearly see us as easy clickbait targets at the moment.

MFC, time to get well and truly on the front foot and call these media trolls out, for what they actually are. 

Let's be ruthless with the media for a change.

[Rednblueriseing 824]

There is no way we should be moving Goodwin on, don't want to go back to the days pre Roos, he has built a strong team who is a good chance of winning every week. He will develop the game style according to the players available and deserves at least 25 with a fair run of injuries 

[SFebes 4,884]

I don't think he will go, however people forget that we lost 10 of our last 15 including 5 of the last 6 and got a few hidings, the heat should always be on and any club should never be complacent. Our style of play is pretty garbage, It's a big 2025 for Goodwin.

[No. 31 1,168]

I think Goodwin has often been slow to react and change tactics in game. He found a formula that worked in 2021 and wants to keep rinsing and repeating. It is not working in 2024. I think he did try to change tactics at some stages during the season but this is best done in pre-season than on the run.

He did have injuries this season, had it not been for that, a top 8 finish was likely.

He does have 1 premiership so that gives him a buffer.

I think he is on notice now, a poor showing in 2025 and his exit papers will be stamped.

Edited September 13 by No. 31

[waynewussell 5,147]

19 hours ago, 58er said:

I think it’s  

P 99

W 63

L 35

D. 1.

which overall would be about  63/64 % 

in other seasons the figures are 

2017.  W. 12.  L. 10

2018.  W. 16.  L.  9

2019.  W.  5.   L. 17

2020.  W.   9.  L.  8

TOT  P 86  W  42  L 44

Simon’s career record so far is

Overall total is  P  185 

W  105   L  79   D  1

Thsts about   56. 5%

 

AFL Top 10 for Total Wins in Goodwin's Time at MFC

Geel 133

PA 113

Coll 108

BL 107

Syd 106

MFC 105

Rich 103

GWS 101

WB 96

Ess 82

Only 4 of those teams, including MFC, have won Premierships in this time frame.

Edited September 13 by waynewussell

[58er 6,362]

18 hours ago, Young Blood said:

Who's the coach who replaces him that is available? Someone with a good proven track record would be good.

Simpson or younger coach. 

[58er 6,362]

21 hours ago, Ted Lasso said:

I really don't understand the calls to move Goody on, from 2021 - 2024 our record is 

Wins: 60 - 66%

Losses: 29 ( 12 of those this year)

Draws: 1 

Finals

Wins 3

Losses 4 

Premierships 1. 

In terms of pure football performance, that's a record that puts us right up the pointy end of the competition in that period, and you could argue we underperformed losing 4 close finals in that time. 

The grass isn't always greener

Ted I have updated and corrected your figures re Simons record. 
Uou have conveniently forgotten 2017,18,19 and 20. When he was about 48%. 

See my post about 2 pages on with what I believe are correct 2021 to 24 and overall record.We have lost more than 29games plus finals.

since 2021. Including Finals. It’s 34 or 35 I think. 

[Ted Lasso 19,191]

6 minutes ago, 58er said:

Ted I have updated and corrected your figures re Simons record. 
Uou have conveniently forgotten 2017,18,19 and 20. When he was about 48%. 

See my post about 2 pages on with what I believe are correct 2021 to 24 and overall record.We have lost more than 29games plus finals.

since 2021. Including Finals. It’s 34 or 35 I think. 

I listed home and away and finals games seperately deliberately, i think that's where the confusion has come from. the figures i have provided at the top are just the home and away games.

Didn't conveniently forget anything, i was making a point that he has a very strong coaching record, particularly over recent years and sacking him would be a bad move.

Edited September 13 by Ted Lasso

[58er 6,362]

24 minutes ago, Ted Lasso said:

I listed home and away and finals games seperately deliberately, i think that's where the confusion has come from. the figures i have provided at the top are just the home and away games.

Didn't conveniently forget anything, i was making a point that he has a very strong coaching record, particularly over recent years and sacking him would be a bad move.

I indicated in my reply about Finals plus and not. Any way I believe Simon’s overall record should be included in any argument. 

[Sir Windsor 219]

21 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

The ‘we need to play a different style’ people need to understand we optimised game style based on the strengths of our playing group and you can’t simply adapt it without changing players.

That’s why the list management has been such a big let down.

A fresh preseason at least gives us some options but if you want to play something even remotely resembling Hawthorn then we need (at a minimum):

- highly skilled half backs at full fitness Ie. Bowey and Salem, plus tall backs willing to get in on the counter attack
- 4+ on ballers that can really run
- multiple half forwards that go up and back 
- athletic tall forwards that lead and jump at the footy and no passengers in the forward line 

At no stage this year did we have the midfield, backline or forward lines capable of high tempo footy.

This is so true. I think we are closer to a Geelong type style which is more of a chaos with quicker ball movement game-style. This was us in 2018 and to an extent in 2021. We have Kozzy who is lethal when the ball hits the ground. Chandler has proven effective and even Fritta. You need these players more in 1-1 situations for them to shine - heck most teams that create a 1-1 situation in their forward line tend to win more than lose. Our forward line is a symptom of poor ball movement, rather than the problem itself. 

To play the Hawthorn, Collingwood gamestyle is a 4-5 year transition which is not something that is fixable during a pre-season. Their philosophy is out-the-back / counter attacking tactics due to a lack of key forwards in the team. In the soccer landscape, this type of gamestyle is often seen as the 'lesser' of traditional tactics as is usually what the weaker teams try to adopt. I know its a different game, but i think in AFL this is where 'contest' and stoppage based games are where these teams really falter.

[Palace Dees 2,266]

1 hour ago, No. 31 said:

I think Goodwin has often been slow to react and change tactics in game. He found a formula that worked in 2021 and wants to keep rinsing and repeating. It is not working in 2024. I think he did try to change tactics at some stages during the season but this is best done in pre-season than on the run.

He did have injuries this season, had it not been for that, a top 8 finish was likely.

He does have 1 premiership so that gives him a buffer.

I think he is on notice now, a poor showing in 2025 and his exit papers will be stamped.

I'm not in the sack Goodwin camp, but accept no-one at the club is immune from scrutiny, especially in the current climate. 

Agree that game plans are best formulated and practiced pre season. However, anyone that was at the R.2 game against Hawthorn and saw the rubbish game style they displayed against us, compared to how they play now, will know things can change dramatically, and for the better. 

You just need the b*lls and the nous to do it.

[Fromgotowoewodin 1,606]

1 hour ago, 58er said:

Ted I have updated and corrected your figures re Simons record. 
Uou have conveniently forgotten 2017,18,19 and 20. When he was about 48%. 

See my post about 2 pages on with what I believe are correct 2021 to 24 and overall record.We have lost more than 29games plus finals.

since 2021. Including Finals. It’s 34 or 35 I think. 

Goodwin overall % 2013-24 57.10% behind of the current coaches:

McRae 68.92 (only 2 years), C Scott 68.32, Longmire 62.99, Hinkley 60.29, Kingsley 60.00 (1 and a bit years), Fagan 57.80%

Goodwin finals % 50.00%

Behind Mitchell 100 (1 final), McRae 66.67, Hardwick 62.50, Clarkson 61.54, Simpson 58.33, Beveridge 53.85

Equal with Longmire, Kingsley, Longmuir, B Scott, Voss 50%

Ahead of C Scott 48.28, Fagan 46.15, Lyon 45.24, Hinkley 38.46

Record stacks up, we weren’t far off in 2023. This year was a downer for a number of reasons but we reset and go again with some tweaks to the coaching structure, some trades and pick 5, some fresher players. 

And not least importantly, the Robbo the slob doesn’t get to pick when we change coaches, he can get stuffed. 

[Deemania since 56 6,605]

On 12/09/2024 at 14:12, 58er said:

Well that’s the very reason Simon needs to go or change his philosophy. 
You have seen a power Club  self destruct with a lame administration in front of your own eyes. With an equally out of his use by date by at least 1,year. 

We need drastically a change of style and attitude to footy with some fun back in the game. If not our fans will leave as we are unattractive and not entertaining.

It pains  me to say that with 3 or more of our champions playing still and individually are still great.
But the team needs a refresher from the coaches. 

A power club caught in the clutches of self destruction. Surely a situation to amend, whatever it takes?

[COOLX 207]

Footy coaching is a hard gig ,one minute you are the flavour of the month the next your not. Forget injuries being an excuse , the fact is we didn't pick up suitable back up players to cover our losses. We need a better system for to improve our young back up players so that they have a good opportunity to play seniors. You can call this thinking outside the box !!!. With clubs delisting young talent especially mids we need to recruit a couple of them. Not everyone gets on with the coach of the day and in fact may underperform. The club has made too many reckless decisions regarding list selection and on that basis Goody needs to go.

Didn't Percy Jones coach Carlton to runner's up one year only to be replaced by Jezza. 

[Ollie fan 3,353]

Let's have a look at a few things.

The vaunted Hawthorn/Collingwood fast movement style? Collingwood missed the finals. Hawthorn got there on a wave, very reminiscent of us in 2018, but got found out by what?: pressure, contest and defence. Goody believes that is what counts, especially in finals. He is absolutely right. Last year we went out in straight sets but lost both by a whisker with an absolutely decimated forward line; against Carlton it was really lost by a couple of dumb decisions right at the end. The list was built to this style and plan and it will continue to be the right plan.
 

A constant theme is the "waste" of our list. In terms  of players who ANYONE would rate (not the ones that we all absolutely love eg Viney, but established crème de la creme) we have had Gawn, Oliver, Trac, May, perhaps include Kossie. I flag, multiple top four finishes but a very disappointing year this year, with multiple reasons.

 

Compare:

McRae:  Pendlebury, Moore, Hill, Sidebottom, J Daicos, N  Daicos, arguably de Goey and Elliott: I premiership, 1 fail.

Kingsley: talent everywhere but Whitfield, Greene, Green, Hogan, Taylor, Cadman (no 1 pick).... no flags.

Scott: (of recent times) - Hawkins, Cameron, Dangerfield, Stewart, lots of others that we all hate, not to mention a HUGE home ground advantage, the suspicion of some very dodgy ways of paying players, and  taxpayer-funded facilities off the highest level: 1 flag, fail the next year, jury's out on this year.

Fagan: Neale, Andrews, McCluggage, Starcevich, no 1 pick Rayner, Cameron, many others and another HUGE home ground advantage: No flags yet, doubt if he'll get one this year. 

Etc etc etc

We all see our list and love it and many think it is wasted, but really, it isn't. We have generally - even for  the vast bulk of this year - been in the top level, competing with a real chance. The criticism is very largely misplaced.

 

 

[Ollie fan 3,353]

On 13/09/2024 at 16:31, Deemania since 56 said:

A power club caught in the clutches of self destruction. Surely a situation to amend, whatever it takes?

Not another Lawrence sycophant post, please?