Oliver Trade Rumours

[Ouch! 2,215]

1 hour ago, Norm Smith's Curse said:

Yeah sadly we just seemed to have pushed out a generational talent and no doubt it will bite us. 

.... so Clarry had no part to play in all of this? No one likes this situation, but it aint all on the club here.

[Ouch! 2,215]

1 minute ago, At the break of Gawn said:

Good clubs manage these sort of players. The stories I used to hear about Buddy was staggering. Even Dusty has had his moments. 

and by manage do you mean cover things up and pretend that they aren't happening? 

[mo64 5,597]

1 hour ago, Swooper Northey said:

Clayton Oliver
AFL Premiership player: 2021
2 x AFLCA Champion Player of the Year Award: 2021, 2022
3 x All-Australian team: 2018, 2021, 2022
4 x Keith 'Bluey' Truscott MedallistL 2017, 2019, 2021, 2022

In return, Geelong will offer up Spiro Malakellis, David Mensch and pick 53

They did give us Nigel Kol. Maybe they'll include his twin brother Michael as part of the trade.

[layzie 33,285]

Like a dagger to the heart 

[Dr. Gonzo 23,880]

1 hour ago, daisycutter said:

"cruel to clarry"?  puleez, give me a break

this is all on clarry.  the talk of clarry's off field behaviour has been the talk of the town for years and now it seems it really wasn't just so much talk

hard to feel sorry for clarry for all the damage done to the club despite all the help he has been given

It is on the club for failing to manage it.

[dazzledavey36 53,224]

1 hour ago, Demonsone said:

People having a crack at the club but the only thing that has created this are Oliver’s actions.. club has supported him continuously & only so much they can put up with …. 

Exactly.

[layzie 33,285]

1 hour ago, Demonsone said:

People having a crack at the club but the only thing that has created this are Oliver’s actions.. club has supported him continuously & only so much they can put up with …. 

And if he goes to Geelong and regains form we'll know that we just weren't equipped to handle it. S'all good.

Edited Wednesday at 12:48 by layzie

[Dr. Gonzo 23,880]

20 minutes ago, Ouch! said:

.... so Clarry had no part to play in all of this? No one likes this situation, but it aint all on the club here.

The club is a basketcase. We had two generational mids that we built a team around and got a flag while still in their mid 20s. Within 3 years we've reverted back to the basketcase we've been for 60 years and both those players (on long term contracts) want out. Heads must roll, the nuffies in charge are going to kill the club.

Edited Wednesday at 12:56 by Dr. Gonzo

[redandbluemakepurple 355]

You heard it here first.  "Prominent" AFL journalist "kills and eats extra-terrestial lover".  Love those quotation marks.  It's not who we are all thinking of.

 

Can someone bring me up to speed, please?

Has it been confirmed that Clayton or agent met with Geelong?

Has it been confirmed that he told MFC that he wants to leave?

[daisycutter 29,429]

12 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

It is on the club for failing to manage it.

maybe, that's a difficult one to read from where we sit

it does seem though that an awful lot of club resources were expended on clarry. if he wasn't such a star player he probably would have been jettisoned long ago. remember all that stuff we can't talk about before roffy. it seems to stretch back a long way and it seems many in the media knew a lot they can't talk about except in vague ways about culture etc

[Dr. Gonzo 23,880]

Just now, daisycutter said:

maybe, that's a difficult one to read from where we sit

it does seem though that an awful lot of club resources were expended on clarry. if he wasn't such a star player he probably would have been jettisoned long ago. remember all that stuff we can't talk about before roffy. it seems to stretch back a long way and it seems many in the media knew a lot they can't talk about except in vague ways about culture etc

And who is responsible for creating that culture/environment? He's not going to be out of the league, if he is still good enough to play senior footy then the club owes it to itself and the members/supporters to sort it out.

Even if the club did think it best to part ways, the manner in which this is playing out is shambolic. A good club would have that discussion with the player and his manager and try and work on a solution, not go behind the players back fishing with other clubs only to have it leaked in the media and the player lose his trust in the club. The MFC is amateur hour at the moment, it reminds me of the bad old days under Schwab, Pert has to go he was a big part of the problems at Collingwood and he's brought those issues with him to Melbourne. Seems the only thing he's learnt is how to avoid being the subject of any reviews so this time he's made sure he's heading those reviews so he can't get the [censored].

[daisycutter 29,429]

Just now, Dr. Gonzo said:

And who is responsible for creating that culture/environment? He's not going to be out of the league, if he is still good enough to play senior footy then the club owes it to itself and the members/supporters to sort it out.

Even if the club did think it best to part ways, the manner in which this is playing out is shambolic. A good club would have that discussion with the player and his manager and try and work on a solution, not go behind the players back fishing with other clubs only to have it leaked in the media and the player lose his trust in the club. The MFC is amateur hour at the moment, it reminds me of the bad old days under Schwab, Pert has to go he was a big part of the problems at Collingwood and he's brought those issues with him to Melbourne. Seems the only thing he's learnt is how to avoid being the subject of any reviews so this time he's made sure he's heading those reviews so he can't get the [censored].

you ever heard of the last straw, dr g?

[Dr. Gonzo 23,880]

Just now, daisycutter said:

you ever heard of the last straw, dr g?

Yes I believe it's what the supporters are experiencing with the club right now.

[daisycutter 29,429]

Just now, Dr. Gonzo said:

Yes I believe it's what the supporters are experiencing with the club right now.

look, we could chat away for ever about who could've, who didn't, who should've but no bad clarry no problem

we are all p155ed about this. clarry was a one in a generation player and it is sad, but lets not line up all those who at least tried to help up against the wall and shoot them ... we weren't there and don't know a fraction of the details (and probably never will)

[Dr. Gonzo 23,880]

1 minute ago, daisycutter said:

look, we could chat away for ever about who could've, who didn't, who should've but no bad clarry no problem

we are all p155ed about this. clarry was a one in a generation player and it is sad, but lets not line up all those who at least tried to help up against the wall and shoot them ... we weren't there and don't know a fraction of the details (and probably never will)

It is the way it is being handled/played out that is the biggest issue. The people running the club are incompetent buffoons headed by the CEO Gary Pert. He has to go, what does he actually bring to the table?? All we get is dirty laundry aired in the media and motherhood statements when supporters/journos ask legitimate questions.

[layzie 33,285]

The club is a s*** show right now. Regardless of what you think.

[Mach5 4,707]

1 hour ago, Ouch! said:

and by manage do you mean cover things up and pretend that they aren't happening? 

 A bit like Geelong with their forward pocket carried out of a venue unconscious?

[Mach5 4,707]

1 hour ago, Chook in Perth said:

Clayton is a product of his environment. Viney, Lever and McDonald aside, our senior players were all scallywags as younger men. Clayton learnt how to adult in that setting.

No doubt he's taken things to another level, but don't kid yourself we have/had a list of Trent Cotchin's and Sam Mitchell's

 

Yeah, but then they want to bring in Bartel for his “Leadership”! 

[KozzyCan 545]

1 hour ago, Oxdee said:

Where is your evidence that the footy department was ‘blindsided’…? stop believing media BS 

I love how people on this site demand evidence right before preemptively dismissing the available evidence. 

[adonski 10,985]

If Clazz gets traded we will shortly after get a ton of leaks of his true off field behaviour over the past couple years

[Wizard of Koz 1,074]

I am gutted. I am over 50 and he is the best player I have seen including Robbie. FFS surely we can sort this out. I wonder if this is part of the keeping Trac on board negotiations? This is sad.

[bing181 9,113]

Yes sad. But it seems the club from top to bottom has been “sorting this out” for 18 months or so (that we know of …) and for whatever reason we’ve reached the end of the road. The internal review may have played a part in bringing issues to a head, or in unearthing problems that we’d thought were behind us, but whatever. Here we are. 

Time to move on, thankful that we got the best years of Clayton’s career. 

Edited Wednesday at 15:41 by bing181

[gs77 3,976]

14 minutes ago, Wizard of Koz said:

I am gutted. I am over 50 and he is the best player I have seen including Robbie. FFS surely we can sort this out. I wonder if this is part of the keeping Trac on board negotiations? This is sad.

It better not be, because with the turmoil we're going through and the bottom-4 trajectory we're on, it's inconceivable that Trac doesn't seek a trade next year. His preferred suitors have ample time to make list and cap arrangements in the meantime. 

[Garbo 1,477]

2 hours ago, redandbluemakepurple said:

You heard it here first.  "Prominent" AFL journalist "kills and eats extra-terrestial lover".  Love those quotation marks.  It's not who we are all thinking of.

 

Can someone bring me up to speed, please?

Has it been confirmed that Clayton or agent met with Geelong?

Has it been confirmed that he told MFC that he wants to leave?

Yes and incoming, it’s up-to dees if we want to trade, realistically it’s a salary dumb if we do. Personally unless he’s fallen off the wagon again I’d be waiting 12 months as if he can get his form back at a minimum it would increase our bargaining position at worst we get the same deal, I can’t see his stock falling any further.

[Garbo 1,477]

34 minutes ago, gs77 said:

It better not be, because with the turmoil we're going through and the bottom-4 trajectory we're on, it's inconceivable that Trac doesn't seek a trade next year. His preferred suitors have ample time to make list and cap arrangements in the meantime. 

If we are bottom 4 next year it probably is better to trade him if he truely wanted out, he would still have massive value and lets us fast track a rebuild before Tasmania comes in