On 04/09/2024 at 09:52, BW511 said:

Houston has said he’s staying

https://amp.abc.net.au/article/104290300

 

That was reported on August 30. Jon Ralph last night reported on 'Midweek Tackle' that he is still very much open for a move and linked him with StKilda for a potential pick 8. Further grist to the mill.

  On 04/09/2024 at 09:27, fr_ap said:

What possibly makes you think pick 5 is not a gamble? It has a chance of landing a 'plug and play midfielder' - it also has a chance of landing Jimmy Toumpas. 

Don't get me wrong - I like the draft pick - but this is a classic case of opting for the mystery box over the known quantity

In relative terms - pick 5 is at least as much of a gamble as Dan Houston 

I disagree with what I know of the players at the top end of this year’s draft. In JT I trust. In saying this you may well end up being correct. I’d still prefer we gambled on a 10-12 year elite mid over a 28 year old Houston.  Adding players at Houston’s age and likely cost doesn’t excite me with our current list profile

Edited September 4, 2024Sep 4 by Roost it far

  On 04/09/2024 at 09:57, Deelectable said:

That was reported on August 30. Jon Ralph last night reported on 'Midweek Tackle' that he is still very much open for a move and linked him with StKilda for a potential pick 8. Further grist to the mill.

Weren’t the media all liars, in your eyes, during the Petracca saga?

  On 04/09/2024 at 10:22, BW511 said:

Weren’t the media all liars, in your eyes, during the Petracca saga?

Exactly my point. Thank you. Lie that the Demons are going to' hand back keys' but all is rosy at Port. Could easily be flipped if they want. Which report is true? The ABC or Jon Ralph? 

Port will probably be hoping he requests a trade.

Imagine trading Houston away for a couple of first round picks and bringing in perryman and possibly cumming as free agents.

Port are going to be the real winner.

My mail is that Houston is off to the Saints. 5/6 years at $850 per year. 

  On 05/09/2024 at 09:53, goodwindees said:

My mail is that Houston is off to the Saints. 5/6 years at $850 per year. 

Clearly been offered midfield time as St Kilda have a glut of half backs.

Hill, Waganeen-Milerra and Sinclair are all guns back there.

Edited September 5, 2024Sep 5 by Adam The God

  On 05/09/2024 at 09:53, goodwindees said:

My mail is that Houston is off to the Saints. 5/6 years at $850 per year. 

Saints going to pay a first rounder given they’ll get a first round compo pick for Battle? 

flow on effect is that the pear get cumming and perryman as free agents?

  On 05/09/2024 at 10:10, Jaded No More said:

Saints going to pay a first rounder given they’ll get a first round compo pick for Battle? 

So Port will get two first rounders. Their natural and the Battle compo pick after St Kilda's natural first.

I wonder if Port will try and package their two picks to get ahead of Adelaide so they can get Draper?

Houston choosing Stkilda over MFC, what an absolute embarrassment for our club. Sort it out MFC, we need to be able to attract A grade talent. 

  On 05/09/2024 at 11:04, Adam The God said:

So Port will get two first rounders. Their natural and the Battle compo pick after St Kilda's natural first.

I wonder if Port will try and package their two picks to get ahead of Adelaide so they can get Draper?

Port don't have their natural first round pick. Belongs to freo after they traded it for two 2nd round picks last year.

  On 05/09/2024 at 11:23, Vineytime said:

Houston choosing Stkilda over MFC, what an absolute embarrassment for our club. Sort it out MFC, we need to be able to attract A grade talent. 

$850k a season is too much. No embarrassment here.

  On 05/09/2024 at 11:23, Vineytime said:

Houston choosing Stkilda over MFC, what an absolute embarrassment for our club. Sort it out MFC, we need to be able to attract A grade talent. 

St Kilda willing to trade a first round pick. We are not. Embarrassing for who?

  On 05/09/2024 at 10:10, Jaded No More said:

Saints going to pay a first rounder given they’ll get a first round compo pick for Battle? 

Reported already on 'Midweek Tackle' last night. Old news.

  On 05/09/2024 at 11:37, Jaded No More said:

St Kilda willing to trade a first round pick. We are not. Embarrassing for who?

That’s the opposite of what’s been said by the club. All picks are on the table this year, including our future first, ‘we need to get older not younger’ 

  On 05/09/2024 at 11:23, Vineytime said:

Houston choosing Stkilda over MFC, what an absolute embarrassment for our club. Sort it out MFC, we need to be able to attract A grade talent. 

Agreed on the basis that Houston is one of the best players to be reportedly on the market in recent years. And to have a star allegedly interested in coming to our club and then turning us down is an absolute kick in the guts and shows exactly where we are at the moment. 

The apathy toward this player is something else and I’m convinced people around here aren’t aware of how good he is.

 

  On 05/09/2024 at 11:37, Jaded No More said:

St Kilda willing to trade a first round pick. We are not. Embarrassing for who?

Only the Eeyores who think everything besides an undefeated flag season is below par. 6 years at $850k is ridiculous and sadly for Dan he will likely go the way of most recruits at the Saints.

A lot of good, experienced, mature players chose years and cash to go to St Kilda in recent years. Hannebury, Jones, Carlisle, Howard, Kent to name a few.

They all achieved nothing.

St Kilda have been stuck on the mediocrity treadmill and the only way out is for them to add young, a-grade midfield talent which they could do with two early picks this year. Trading Houston would be a dumb move - but good luck to them.

I’m glad we didn’t get the deal done for Houston. Not because I don’t think he’s a good player that would have improved us but because I think it shows the recruitment team value of pick 5 more than they value him. 
I suspect that when we were interested we assumed we would have lower first rounder to trade maybe around 9/10 and that would have been fair. Power asking for two but I assume are settling for a top 10 pick. 

  On 05/09/2024 at 21:49, Clintosaurus said:

Only the Eeyores who think everything besides an undefeated flag season is below par. 6 years at $850k is ridiculous and sadly for Dan he will likely go the way of most recruits at the Saints.

He is an exceptionally good player and would make us better. There is no doubt about it. 
If our midfield was stacked and we still had Gus I reckon we would be fine to trade away pick 5. 
However this season showed us that midfielders are the priority and pick 5 will likely get us a good one. 
 

I still think that the Houston deal changed when we realized how good our first round pick was going to be. When we were in the top 8, we were willing to trade it and probably made it known to Port. But things change. 
 

Besides, St Kilda wouldn’t be getting Houston if they were not losing Battle and getting a ridiculous first round compo pick in return. As if he’s worth that! There essentially swapping Battle for Houston. 

Just as I don't believe that Houston moves the needle for us, I feel the same about him at the Saints. They already have Sinclair and Wanganeen-Milera who can play the same role at the same level as Houston. They've recruited a couple of guns in the past 2 drafts in Phillipou and Wilson. They need to continue down that path. 

Houston may want more game time as a mid, but he doesn't have a track record as one to justify giving up 2 1st round picks for him. 

He's in a bit of a pickle now Houston, because he won't be winning anything at the Powa.

Looks like it's the Saints and a road to nowhere.

Edited September 5, 2024Sep 5 by YesitwasaWin4theAges

  On 05/09/2024 at 22:11, mo64 said:

Just as I don't believe that Houston moves the needle for us, I feel the same about him at the Saints. They already have Sinclair and Wanganeen-Milera who can play the same role at the same level as Houston. They've recruited a couple of guns in the past 2 drafts in Phillipou and Wilson. They need to continue down that path. 

Houston may want more game time as a mid, but he doesn't have a track record as one to justify giving up 2 1st round picks for him. 

it reminds me a bit of the zac williams to carlton move - the intention is that he was leaving gw$ so that he could play full-time in the midfield

i think that lasted about half a dozen games before he was (well, injured and then) back to the half-back flank

now he's essentially replaced jack martin or jack silvagni as an extra forward who can create havoc because he's so naturally talented he's able to make something out of nothing

personally i'd love houston to land with us - as a half-back flanker he would be a marked upgrade on salem, bowey, rivers, or mcvee, and allow them to be deployed elsewhere 

  On 05/09/2024 at 21:53, seventyfour said:

A lot of good, experienced, mature players chose years and cash to go to St Kilda in recent years. Hannebury, Jones, Carlisle, Howard, Kent to name a few.

They all achieved nothing.

St Kilda have been stuck on the mediocrity treadmill and the only way out is for them to add young, a-grade midfield talent which they could do with two early picks this year. Trading Houston would be a dumb move - but good luck to them.

None of those players were actually any good. Prime Hanners obviously but he was shot by the time he made it to St Kilda.

Brad Hill I guess but he was never going to make a difference.

This current St Kilda side has some more potential with some really nice drafting in recent years but I can’t help you’re right that they’re still stuck in the middle.

Lose Battle, trade for Houston, get stuck in the same spot.

But it’s an ever comp. Draft a gun midfielder with their other first and they’ll be about as talented as a Port side that just finished second.