On 22/07/2024 at 22:27, chook fowler said:

Surely they watched Fullerton in QLD to see if he could ruck - may be not. A few red faces I would think.

I don't think they recruited him as a ruck, more a fwd/ruck and and hopefully a back up.  I have a feeling he hasn't developed the way they would have hoped, his handful of games for Bris he looked OK without setting the world on fire.

Could be on our development or his work ethic, who knows

  On 22/07/2024 at 22:16, Travy14 said:

He is 12th on the VFL list for hitouts and only 3 above him aren't on an AFL list or ex AFL players.  He would have provided a contest in the ruck.  Petty did not.

 

 

  On 22/07/2024 at 21:57, Sydee said:

He doesn’t look like he has a fitness base that would allow him to play AFL atm 

I think this is one of the issues with Will...

...and against good VFL ruckmen he has struggled to provide a consistent contest.

You can blame selection as much as you like, but when the cupboards bare...

  On 22/07/2024 at 03:34, Neil Crompton said:

It’s very interesting Stretch because Goody has always protected each and every player during his press conferences. This is the first time I can remember him doing something like this. He usually takes one for the team, but not this time. 

The closest to this I can remember was a comment goody made in a presser in Weid's last year saying something to the effect that he needed to realise it was big boys footy. I read his fullarton comment as a frustration with our lack of a ready ruck backup on our list.

If in the words of our coach, Fullerton couldnt win a ruck contest, WHY draft him?  We could have kept a Harmes or Jordan on the list and been no worse off in the ruck as the bloke we drafted to be a back up for Max cant ruck

A real simple question . why draft him, didnt we look at his previous games at bris.

Also as I recall we gave him two years, for a ruckman who cant ruck.

  On 22/07/2024 at 22:33, rjay said:

 

I think this is one of the issues with Will...

...and against good VFL ruckmen he has struggled to provide a consistent contest.

You can blame selection as much as you like, but when the cupboards bare...

I don’t think his fitness is a problem anymore. He seems to be moving much better this year and the injury issues are largely behind him. He dominated the SA u18 comp as a 15-16 year old but then had 2 1/2 years of osteitis and back issues.

I think he also won the highest jump at the combine (with Weddle). But just leaping in the ruck doesn’t work when they can just push you away - it’s all about strength at the moment. Until they change the rules again. 

  On 22/07/2024 at 23:25, ex52k2 said:

If in the words of our coach, Fullerton couldnt win a ruck contest, WHY draft him?  We could have kept a Harmes or Jordan on the list and been no worse off in the ruck as the bloke we drafted to be a back up for Max cant ruck

A real simple question . why draft him, didnt we look at his previous games at bris.

Also as I recall we gave him two years, for a ruckman who cant ruck.

Surely Goodwin can't do everything by myself?

He needs to have some trust in others around him that they can do their due diligence?

Like the players lol

Do we have another Brodie Grundy Fiasco on our hands will Fullarton WILL he  request a trade and succeed elsewhere both  Goodwin and  Griffith have made terrible errors of Judgement with the past and I may add Clarrie,s no fan of either that is common knowledge amongst his friends hence rumours of him departing

Too many mistakes have been made by both hopefully the FD will see this and act accordingly.

 

 

 

 

 

  On 23/07/2024 at 02:27, Demonland said:

 

Ahhhh Schwarz, maybe help us trade JVR for King hey? I don’t think drinking our bath water is the issue atm. The lack of senior talent on the list is the issue.

 

I loved David Schwarz as a player, and met him a few years ago and he seemed like a very nice bloke.

 

BUT he has become a bit bitter and twisted, and far too critical.

  On 23/07/2024 at 02:27, Demonland said:

 

Well Said Ox….

  On 23/07/2024 at 03:03, Sir Why You Little said:

Well Said Ox….

OK, so who was this specialist ruckman we should have selected 'SWYL'???

  On 23/07/2024 at 02:43, Ollie fan said:

I loved David Schwarz as a player, and met him a few years ago and he seemed like a very nice bloke.

 

BUT he has become a bit bitter and twisted, and far too critical.

Same but sometimes he should just keep his mouth shut. Has become rent a quote.

  On 23/07/2024 at 04:05, rjay said:

OK, so who was this specialist ruckman we should have selected 'SWYL'???

I wouldn’t have played Petty. He has already shown he is not a Ruckman, he has also had multiple foot injuries 

So I would have played Fullarton and just told him to crack in. 
 

I agreed with David’s comments. It was pure arrogance to think we could go in against Jackson and Darcy with Petty

I think we all know which particular game he's referring to.

“Every supporter, every person who knows football pretty well knows that in the last year and a half there have been decisions made that have cost Melbourne games, cost Melbourne ladder positions and there’s a time coming where if these decisions keep coming, Simon Goodwin won’t be in his position.”

 

  On 23/07/2024 at 04:35, Sir Why You Little said:

So I would have played Fullarton and just told him to crack in. 

If you've seen Fullarton at Casey then you would know that wasn't going to happen.

Better to at least have Petty marking ability around the ground...

  On 23/07/2024 at 04:39, Bring-Back-Powell said:

I think we all know which particular game he's referring to.

“Every supporter, every person who knows football pretty well knows that in the last year and a half there have been decisions made that have cost Melbourne games, cost Melbourne ladder positions and there’s a time coming where if these decisions keep coming, Simon Goodwin won’t be in his position.”

 

You never know why decisions are made unless you're in the room...we are all guessing and as I've said before I would have selected Grundy like most of us but who knows the extenuating circumstances.

  On 23/07/2024 at 04:54, rjay said:

You never know why decisions are made unless you're in the room...we are all guessing and as I've said before I would have selected Grundy like most of us but who knows the extenuating circumstances.

This is true but Goody-bashers be Goody-bashing regardless. When the lights went out at the Gabba last season that was Goody’s fault too.

  On 23/07/2024 at 04:52, rjay said:

If you've seen Fullarton at Casey then you would know that wasn't going to happen.

Better to at least have Petty marking ability around the ground...

No i disagree. Petty is not a Ruckman, who has a history of foot injuries. 
i am sure Fullarton could also take a few marks around the ground. 
he has played 19 games, that’s almost a Season worth. 
It was a complete balls up that backfired completely 

Freo have beaten us by 142 points this year….

 

Who was the other ruck up at Sydney before he retired at the end of the Season?

Were we sounded out first to pick up some of Grundy's tab?

  On 23/07/2024 at 05:56, Sir Why You Little said:

No i disagree. Petty is not a Ruckman, who has a history of foot injuries. 
i am sure Fullarton could also take a few marks around the ground. 
he has played 19 games, that’s almost a Season worth. 
It was a complete balls up that backfired completely 

Freo have beaten us by 142 points this year….

 

Neither is Fullarton..

  On 23/07/2024 at 07:41, rjay said:

Neither is Fullarton..

Maybe not, but Petty is worth more and is injury prone 

  On 22/07/2024 at 05:13, whatwhat say what said:

he was absolutely seething in the post-match press conference i thought

normally he defends the players; he really didn't this time around

I thought he looked livid on the bench in the first half.

Some of the younger players I know were scared of going back into the club after the West Coast performance. 

I reckon the players have had a few rockets this season.

We need our onfield leaders to stand up. Missing Gus, Max and Trac has meant it's fallen all on Viney, May and Lever.

Edited July 23, 2024Jul 23 by Binmans PA

  On 13/07/2024 at 14:29, monoccular said:

Something clicked tonight after a disturbing start.

But we simple cannot afford to sacrifice JVR's continuing development as a key forward to be dissipated by him having to take first ruck duties.  We are down a key forward as a result.

Unless FullArton, Verrall or 😮 even Schache stand up and demand selection JVR risks injury and form decline as a vital tall forward, which would be disastrous for our club going forward.  He is our future as a KPF, with limited Ruch duties, NOT as a first ruck.

We must further develop an ability (all game) to run in waves, each side of the centreline end-to-end, with overlaps and creating both carriage and receiving options going forward, with those forwards leading to space, artfully, both sides. That is what cruelled us against against Freo, 'sharing the run' and 'receive'. When we did overlap - too infrequently - we we killing them, nearly each time. Only luck (for Freo) occasionally interceded. Coaching 101.

 

  On 23/07/2024 at 04:52, rjay said:

If you've seen Fullarton at Casey then you would know that wasn't going to happen.

Better to at least have Petty marking ability around the ground...

Around ground marking is important but that wasn't Petty's main role on the day.

He started off as the 1st ruck and failed miserably.   We then had to throw JVR in in the hope he might offer more resistance.  That didn't work either.

Same happened the week before with JVR coming in to replace Petty early after Petty got wacked in the first Q but luckily the whole day become a contested shiite fest where we were able to wrestle the game back on our terms at ground level with the rain largely making much of any attempted ruck work / craft by Draper ineffectual.

Edited July 23, 2024Jul 23 by Demon Dynasty