Trade Targets

[Adam The God 30,539]

Just now, DeeSpencer said:

Not sure Spargo will ever be a viable wing with his zero overhead game, but Chandler took some rotations in the last 2 weeks and looked fine.

We need to do what every other club does and realise the wing is largely a trash position and stop spending so much on it and rotate guys through. 

Chander, Fritsch, Tholstrup should all play some minutes there, heck even Disco if he has a big summer and that way Windsor and Langdon can move around.

Spargo played some wing in 2022-2023 to good effect IMO.

[Heart Beats True 1,258]

2 minutes ago, Adam The God said:

Spargo played some wing in 2022-2023 to good effect IMO.

He also took a mark of the year candidate during this time which was overhead. I just don’t think he’s quick enough.

[dazzledavey36 55,453]

2 hours ago, BAMF said:

Pick 5 get it done you think?

Would hand it over without hesitation. 

[KozzyCan 764]

3 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

If we're not going hard on this bloke then I'll fully rage 

 

Saints looking really busy.

[spirit of norm smith 16,596]

3 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

If we're not going hard on this bloke then I'll fully rage 

 

What’s your thoughts on the offer required? (Years? $$s??). Both would need to be sizeable.  

[spirit of norm smith 16,596]

On 08/08/2024 at 20:51, spirit of norm smith said:

Full moon tonight !!!  Some wild ideas here.  
 

Anyone thinking we should ask the Swans about Angus Sheldrick.  He is probably looking elsewhere for opportunities.  Showed a lot in 2023 but injuries this year have restricted opportunity.  Only 20, but shown good form in last 2 weeks in VFL games since returning from injury.  Fits the mould of young, competitive and excellent skills.  

SEN update 

Angus Sheldrick (Sydney)

“He’s been a stand-out in the VFL since he got there, so the phone has rung a lot for him.

“He would have options if he explored a trade. He played two games in 2022, seven games last year, but didn’t get a look in this year and he had a nasty ankle injury and concussion.

“But he too is committed to staying for at least the final year of his contract next year.

“We can put a line through him for now.”

Ok … For now …

Dees definitely need to be one of the teams on the phone to his manager 

[Redleg 41,715]

4 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

If we're not going hard on this bloke then I'll fully rage 

 

Isn't he good mates with Blake Howse?

[Adam The God 30,539]

15 minutes ago, Redleg said:

Isn't he good mates with Blake Howse?

Yes.

[mo64 5,881]

1 hour ago, Adam The God said:

Spargo played some wing in 2022-2023 to good effect IMO.

I'd love to know which games they were. In 2022, Spargo had 3 games where he got more than 15 possessions, and in 2023 he failed to get more than 15 possessions in any game.

As a comparison, a first year player in Windsor got more than 15 possessions in 9 out 19 games.

And you want to replace Windsor on the wing with Spargo? 

Spargo is the most overrated player by Demonlanders.

Edited September 18, 2024 by mo64

[mo64 5,881]

4 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

If we're not going hard on this bloke then I'll fully rage 

 

Probably the reason why the Saints have pulled out of the Houston race.

Callaghan is a far more impactful player than Houston, plus has age on his side.

[Adam The God 30,539]

7 minutes ago, mo64 said:

I'd love to know which games they were. In 2022, Spargo had 3 games where he got more than 15 possessions, and in 2023 he failed to get more than 15 possessions in any game.

As a comparison, a first year player in Windsor got more than 15 possessions in 9 out 19 games.

And you want to replace Windsor on the wing with Spargo? 

Spargo is the most overrated player by Demonlanders.

Look back over Gus' possession count for 2021. Spargo played the defensive wing. It was about covering and trying to provide an outlet going forward.

I want to use Spargo's aerobic capacity and his ball use, and maximise Windsor's damage as a half back ball user and line breaker. This is the compromise you have to make when you don't land Houston. We need faster and better ball users off half back.

I'd also like to give Windsor 2 or 3 CBAs occasionally to get him used to it.

[dazzledavey36 55,453]

1 minute ago, Adam The God said:

Look back over Gus' possession count for 2021. Spargo played the defensive wing. It was about covering and trying to provide an outlet going forward.

I want to use Spargo's aerobic capacity and his ball use, and maximise Windsor's damage as a half back ball user and line breaker. This is the compromise you have to make when you don't land Houston. We need faster and better ball users off half back.

I'd also like to give Windsor 2 or 3 CBAs occasionally to get him used to it.

Spargo got drop a few times in 2023 which means he didn't play the wing role to any good effect. 

If you want him around the midfield then it's an inside mid where he excelled in his junior days.

[layzie 34,119]

If Finn Callaghan is even a bee's diaphragm chance of being available I'd be going full bore.  

[layzie 34,119]

8 minutes ago, Adam The God said:

Look back over Gus' possession count for 2021. Spargo played the defensive wing. It was about covering and trying to provide an outlet going forward.

I want to use Spargo's aerobic capacity and his ball use, and maximise Windsor's damage as a half back ball user and line breaker. This is the compromise you have to make when you don't land Houston. We need faster and better ball users off half back.

I'd also like to give Windsor 2 or 3 CBAs occasionally to get him used to it.

I sort of feel like Spargo's only chance to make it back into this team is as a high HFF essentially the Nibbler role. Like you I'd love to be able to utilise his kicking into the 50 ability but I just feel like he gets a bit lost when he's deployed on a wing. 

Stanger things happen though, didn't think Gus had any business out wide before we tried it. 

[Adam The God 30,539]

4 minutes ago, layzie said:

I sort of feel like Spargo's only chance to make it back into this team is as a high HFF essentially the Nibbler role. Like you I'd love to be able to utilise his kicking into the 50 ability but I just feel like he gets a bit lost when he's deployed on a wing. 

Stanger things happen though, didn't think Gus had any business out wide before we tried it. 

Yeah, Nibbler basically plays/played as a third winger, with a greater licence to join in on offence.

I don't think we want Spargo in the midfield rotation @dazzledavey36, I'd prefer we go after a Jagga Smith, who has moved into number 1 target spot for us IMO.

Play Charlie between high half forward, wing and deep forward. Charlie getting to the foot of contests like he did in 2018 and 2021 inside 50 made him a dangerous small. Needs to do the same again. I do have concerns about his fitness though given the long lay off. Let's hope he's back on the track soon.

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17 minutes ago, Adam The God said:

Look back over Gus' possession count for 2021. Spargo played the defensive wing. It was about covering and trying to provide an outlet going forward.

I want to use Spargo's aerobic capacity and his ball use, and maximise Windsor's damage as a half back ball user and line breaker. This is the compromise you have to make when you don't land Houston. We need faster and better ball users off half back.

I'd also like to give Windsor 2 or 3 CBAs occasionally to get him used to it.

I like Spargo because he doesn't waste it when he has the ball.  But I do remember him on the wing in a few games last year.  As a concept it makes sense and probably works with the right matchup - but I remember him getting beaten in the air, for pace and strength where he was a liability.  I think the role doesn't fit his strenghts.  

Def agree re Windsor in at centre bounces - he looked very calm and composed in congestion this year which surprised me

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6 hours ago, 58er said:

Houston said Hi !!! 

We're not getting him... so any other defenders we're looking to bring in?

[Roost it far 8,786]

Parfitt? No……we need some serious talent not list cloggers

[COOLX 209]

As for backups (temporary possibly) Leek Aleer (GWS) Macrae and Caleb Daniel ( WB ) . 

Hunter offers nothing and to a degree so those Chandler and Sparrow. Where does Spargo rate, anyone. 

[Demons11 7,061]

3 hours ago, KozzyCan said:

Saints looking really busy.

Or just taking a scatter gun approach 

[bing181 9,340]

On 14/09/2024 at 01:01, mo64 said:

I have more confidence in Jason Taylor than Tim Lamb/Alan Richardson.

You do realise that those 3 all work together and that Taylor has a say in List Management? Also that recruiting doesn't stop at the draft.

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1 hour ago, COOLX said:

As for backups (temporary possibly) Leek Aleer (GWS) Macrae and Caleb Daniel ( WB ) . 

Hunter offers nothing and to a degree so those Chandler and Sparrow. Where does Spargo rate, anyone. 

Chandler and Sparrow offer nothing?

Have I missed something?

[adonski 12,569]

11 minutes ago, Roost it far said:

Chandler and Sparrow offer nothing?

Have I missed something?

We need to be upgrading both players ASAP, they are C grade role players who play 20+ games a year. If they both play a similar amount of footy in 2025 we're in real trouble

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2 hours ago, COOLX said:

Hunter offers nothing

Hear, hear!  Looked ordinary at VFL level in the few games that I watched.

[Wizard of Koz 1,129]

39 minutes ago, Roost it far said:

Chandler and Sparrow offer nothing?

Have I missed something?

I think you have, yes.