19 hours ago, Flower Magic said:

Trac has stated on his Insta feed that he brought himself back on, his decision alone not the medicos, so can we please cease the cr@p and hand-wringing about the alleged negligence of the club medical staff.

This highlights the error in its essence.

The club is charged with overseeing the health of the players.  The AFL is responsible essentially for providing as safe a working environment as can. 

The Player does not get to call the  shots.  So how did he ?  Or did the club effectively abdicate responsibility til its hand was forced subsequently ? 

The assessment and decision making processes seem to leave much to be desired. 

It isn't up to the player if they're able to return to he field, the doctors have a duty of care to make the best decision for the player even if they aren't happy with it. I do believe the club possibly if they had their time again wouldn't make the same decision and allow him back out there. 

Just now, Ted Lasso said:

It isn't up to the player if they're able to return to he field, the doctors have a duty of care to make the best decision for the player even if they aren't happy with it. I do believe the club possibly if they had their time again wouldn't make the same decision and allow him back out there. 

Certainly true in hindsight after seeing the scans etc.  But we are kidding ourselves if we can be sure they made a mistake given the info they had at the time.   They may have got it wrong, they may not have.  We don't know.  But some here and in the media claim they are sure, often with a barrow to push.

21 minutes ago, sue said:

Certainly true in hindsight after seeing the scans etc.  But we are kidding ourselves if we can be sure they made a mistake given the info they had at the time.   They may have got it wrong, they may not have.  We don't know.  But some here and in the media claim they are sure, often with a barrow to push.

Im not sure what anyone else thought ... but immediately after Trac was kneed....after he got up 'sucking' and hobbled off ....i said to the good wife...  "gotta have done ribs"..." i also added derisively.." thanks Moore"..    wife being of the filth variety arced up...."you cant blame him"..    me... "of course i can...he laid his knee hard into him....wasnt 'accidental' " 

And thats why i thought it was ribs..   Didnt occur to me about Lung nor Spleen. Did it to others ?? 🤔

Again , you really wonder what the assessment entailed. 

How long before Scanners at every AFL game ?   Hopefully soon.

Hopefully Trac back in 25 after a full recovery

16 hours ago, layzie said:

Older Demon my understanding of the spleen is it helps remove bacteria from the body and keep things clean in the bloodstream. 

If one were to remove their spleen, what organ would perform this role?

the liver takes over ... though not as efficient

my brother has been spleenless for over 50 years now

12 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

my brother has been spleenless for over 50 years now

As opposed to me being rendered speechless after the last two games.

On 11/06/2024 at 10:35, DeeZone said:

I thought the same dl4e.👎

My Mind immediately thought of the Cox deliberate act of the same magnitude. Trouble is it’s not illegal but  it’s deliberate or careless and at times no duty of care. 

On 11/06/2024 at 10:32, dl4e said:

Take a look at the incident carefully and I don't think there is much doubt that Moore deliberately put his knee "hard" into tracs back.

A free hit

2 hours ago, beelzebub said:

This highlights the error in its essence.

The club is charged with overseeing the health of the players.  The AFL is responsible essentially for providing as safe a working environment as can. 

The Player does not get to call the  shots.  So how did he ?  Or did the club effectively abdicate responsibility til its hand was forced subsequently ? 

The assessment and decision making processes seem to leave much to be desired. 

Agreed Similar to JV playing in the past when shouldn’t have. Also remember the Practice match Joel Smith was returned and the consequences.

Why has Chin not been rested or dropped? We need goals from our forwards as we acknowledge with Spargs fall from grace which brings up another injury anomaly. Why play on O Round and no Casey fitness g  as me? Also Disco  is in danger of being ruined for the same reason Much as I like his cameo up forward he really with Lever should have been a like for like. Isn’t that what he has trained and developed for 3?years???  Cameos forward during games are fine generally from much more mature and proven players to assist the team on the day. 

2 hours ago, beelzebub said:

Im not sure what anyone else thought ... but immediately after Trac was kneed....after he got up 'sucking' and hobbled off ....i said to the good wife...  "gotta have done ribs"..." i also added derisively.." thanks Moore"..    wife being of the filth variety arced up...."you cant blame him"..    me... "of course i can...he laid his knee hard into him....wasnt 'accidental' " 

And thats why i thought it was ribs..   Didnt occur to me about Lung nor Spleen. Did it to others ?? 🤔

Again , you really wonder what the assessment entailed. 

How long before Scanners at every AFL game ?   Hopefully soon.

Hopefully Trac back in 25 after a full recovery

I immediately thought it was a kidney. Looked like a boxer that copped a heavy kidney shot from how long it took he to ‘recover’ and the level of pain. 
 

Watching him walk off, I was expecting him to go to Hospital and get checked out. 
 

I think it’s worth saying that players will always want to go back out on the ground and the pain threshold goes through the roof when you’ve got adrenaline pumping through you. Just from my own experience (and I’m 100% positive other people on here have experienced the same thing) I’ve broken fingers whilst playing footy and just kept going because I wanted to keep playing. Which isn’t a ‘toughness’ thing, it’s physiological. If I did the same thing at home, I wouldn’t be just going about my day, it’d [censored] hurt. Things hurt less on the footy field. 
 

My point being (and this isn’t a defence, it’s just true) it must be hard to assess a situation like that in the heat of the moment for a doctor. Having a player continuously say they’re right to go, doing sprints on the sidelines etc. 

Still the wrong call to let him back on but as others have said, the AFL should really be supplying equipment to deal with these situations. Could’ve ended very, very badly.

 

P.S. I can’t remember the exact examples, but there’s been a couple times this year that I thought a player was unable to continue playing, only to be perfectly fine 10 minutes later. So when he was going back on I thought it was one of those scenarios.

Edited June 12, 20241 yr by BoBo

So many people letting our medic/coaching staff off the hook here. 

It was beyond obvious that he was in serious trouble, and putting him back on the ground was some of the dumbest [censored] I’ve seen from our club in recent times.  

Add this to the never-ending list of questions to be asked of Goodwin & co. 

That attempt/ mark cannot be taken unless you know where to put/place your knee on the body beside/ front of you.

Blokes as experienced as him know their run up down to the enth degree, because it does not happen a lot in a game.

Just another thing about Moore. He has this rather strange habit of talking somewhat to a degree that is uncomfortable to the listener. Further to that i don't think that what he rambles on about is that interesting.

5 hours ago, Monbon said:

So what happened to Petracca is simply one sad aspect of the Speccie?????

I'm not making Moore out to be a villain: I'm simply pointing out the inanity of a 'sport' that allows incidents like this to occur regularly. 

Oh, so I ruptured your spleen, punctured your lung, broke your ribs, put you in an ambulance, well, it's part of the game, I was only trying to take a speccie.

So 'speccies' is part of the game: as once was what Maynard did, as was once what Mathews and his ilk got away with week in week out. As were sling tackles, 15 metre penalties, one umpire etc. In other words, even AFL, or, Aussie Rules needs to reassess dangerous aspects, just as it has done with 4 umpires, etc etc

Ok, that’s all reasonable and yes, I understand why certain aspects of the game have had to be reassessed; the Maynard/Brayshaw incident being a case in point for change.

Concussions have become an all too regular occurrence in the game and something had to be done… not that the change in rules seems to have had much effect, given the number of concussions we’ve had this year… perhaps they need to make changes that will slow down the pace of the game?

Injuries as we’ve seen with Trac and May are far less regular occurrences, so I don’t know what the answer is there (again, slowing the game down?).

Speccies (or however it’s spelt 😄) can also result in shoulder and wrist injuries and even concussions, is that acceptable? Do we keep watering the game down, or do we accept that debilitating injuries, as rare as they may be, will occur from time to time? It’s a bit of a conundrum.

And please accept my apologies… I wasn’t inferring that you were blaming Moore, it just struck me at the time of writing, that too many were.

 

I hope he gets stronger every day

See you in 2025, #CP5

On 11/06/2024 at 10:32, dl4e said:

Take a look at the incident carefully and I don't think there is much doubt that Moore deliberately put his knee "hard" into tracs back.

Ive been pondering this...

So i watched the replay about a dozen times. 

My thoughts..  Backs CAN mark.. ( May etc ) but  Moore wasn't positioned or trying to mark. He was trying to spoil imo..  You dont normally "knee up" to spoil...  to mark maybe/yes. 

So he spolied...and kneed..... hmmmm 

 

Confirmed Trac transferred to the Alfred trauma unit Monday night. Grade 5 spleen rupture the worst level, needed a transfusion and has been in ICU, A serious injury with a lengthy recovery. He will be hospitalise for many days.

Sounds like he’s gone for the year

Absolutely shattered for our star. 
 

The club is so damn lucky that the Pies didn’t choose to target his injury when he came back on, otherwise there would be absolute hell to pay. 
 

27 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

Ive been pondering this...

So i watched the replay about a dozen times. 

My thoughts..  Backs CAN mark.. ( May etc ) but  Moore wasn't positioned or trying to mark. He was trying to spoil imo..  You dont normally "knee up" to spoil...  to mark maybe/yes. 

So he spolied...and kneed..... hmmmm 

 

I’ve also watched the slo-mo reply numerous times. My take is that Moore’s eyes were on the ball for the entire time (he never lined up Trac), the only way he was going to be able to effect a spoil, was to launch himself in the way that he did, and lastly (and probably most importantly), he did effect the spoil.

Unfortunately when a running player launches, one knee will most likely be pointing out… if he had launched and it was obvious he had no chance of spoiling, then yes, there would be a case, but that’s not how it went.

Jesus, forget about footy, just hope he is ok

32 minutes ago, hardtack said:

I’ve also watched the slo-mo reply numerous times. My take is that Moore’s eyes were on the ball for the entire time (he never lined up Trac), the only way he was going to be able to effect a spoil, was to launch himself in the way that he did, and lastly (and probably most importantly), he did effect the spoil.

Unfortunately when a running player launches, one knee will most likely be pointing out… if he had launched and it was obvious he had no chance of spoiling, then yes, there would be a case, but that’s not how it went.

Disagree..  watch May... when he spoils ..he launches through the pack ... fist out.

If you know what you're about you can lift a knee without subverting your eyes.

Im just very suspect..  

Im not inclined to give many players any benefit of doubt...especially Filth.

 

44 minutes ago, Mel Bourne said:

Absolutely shattered for our star. 
 

The club is so damn lucky that the Pies didn’t choose to target his injury when he came back on, otherwise there would be absolute hell to pay. 
 

There wouldn’t be hell to pay at all

Petracca would have been suspended for ramming his spleen into someone

 

Bloody hell poor Trac. Hope he makes a full recovery!

1 hour ago, hardtack said:

Ok, that’s all reasonable and yes, I understand why certain aspects of the game have had to be reassessed; the Maynard/Brayshaw incident being a case in point for change.

Concussions have become an all too regular occurrence in the game and something had to be done… not that the change in rules seems to have had much effect, given the number of concussions we’ve had this year… perhaps they need to make changes that will slow down the pace of the game?

Injuries as we’ve seen with Trac and May are far less regular occurrences, so I don’t know what the answer is there (again, slowing the game down?).

Speccies (or however it’s spelt 😄) can also result in shoulder and wrist injuries and even concussions, is that acceptable? Do we keep watering the game down, or do we accept that debilitating injuries, as rare as they may be, will occur from time to time? It’s a bit of a conundrum.

And please accept my apologies… I wasn’t inferring that you were blaming Moore, it just struck me at the time of writing, that too many were.

 

Please, no apology is needed. I replied comprehensively because I've always respected your point of view. 

I agree it's a conundrum, but because it has and can cause so much damage, let's glorify the speccie jump, not the climb, not the intrusive and potentially damaging knee.

37 minutes ago, Superunknown said:

There wouldn’t be hell to pay at all

Petracca would have been suspended for ramming his spleen into someone

 

I meant hell to pay for our club, not the pies. 

Edited June 12, 20241 yr by Mel Bourne