CASEY: Rd 06 vs Williamstown

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1 hour ago, DemonJack 14 said:

Are we concerned about Tholstrup’s low possession count for the last few VFL games ? I know he is young and seems to be made of the right stuff. I thought we might be seeing a bit more from a high draft pick who played against men in the WAFL last year ? 
 

Casey this year with lack of experienced midfielders is probably no the easiest situation for him at the moment. 

Jason Taylor doesn’t miss that much, but Darcy Wilson for the saints who went a few picks later than Kolt looks a special player. 

Hopefully we start to see him have a bit more impact and can push again for selection soon 

 

He was miles of it yesterday, not much impact for a guy that played ones a few weeks back!

Boy George, played and moved like Austin Wonemaeamirri yesterday, similar build and style of play, but looks a definate UPGRADE!

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[drysdale demon 4,821]

57 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

I was a bit of a Wilson doubter as I didn’t trust his decision making under pressure, but he’s so elite as an outside runner it rarely matters and he’s already consistent overhead for a kid which gives him another way to win clean possessions.

Kolt just looks plain athletically and isn’t doing anything special with his power. Great worker and high character, I’ve got no doubt he’ll be a long term player but the trade up without a clear target is a mistake. Burnt 2 second rounders that could’ve been forwarded in to future picks.

As was folding and giving away a 2nd rounder for McAdam when a third would’ve got it done.

The reality is we might’ve finished the last 2 list periods with Windsor, an ok role player in Kolt, some longer term rookies in Brown, Sestan, Verrall and stuff all else. As bad as Jefferson has been Adams might be worse, he can’t track the ball in the air.

Oh well, I guess we added some mature players right? Nope, a few games out of Billings, Hunter, Grundy, Hore and maybe some McAdam or Fullarton cameos if we are lucky. Whilst Gus and Joel Smith are done.

Pretty good job turning a top 4 list in to a mid table one.

You must be the guru of football- coach, recruiter, and the rest of a football dept. all rolled in as one.

[Sydee 4,372]

2 minutes ago, picket fence said:

He was miles of it yesterday, not much impact for a guy that played ones a few weeks back!

Boy George, played and moved like Austin Wonemaeamirri yesterday, similar build and style of play!

Agree George looked a reasonable prospect on a very small sample size

Our only forward that really looked dangerous 

Our depth is really being tested at Casey and it’s fair to say that there were quite a few running about that are not really up the standard 

[Fat Tony 5,216]

7 minutes ago, monoccular said:

Maybe BBB was going to be genuinely rested this week - probably should have been last week.

Perhaps Tony.  But is it just a coincidence that Jefferson has appeared to have had one of his better games when BBB and Shack were not playing?  And how much time did Fullerton play forward?

Definitely no coincidence. My point was about his development. At AFL level he would need to be able to compete in 2v2 and 1v2 (outnumbered) contests and he needs to prove he can play alongside other big forwards. He is not going to take Fritsch's role in the AFL any time soon.

[DeeSpencer 25,339]

35 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

A bit tough...

Ideally you want to add two youngsters per year to the best 22. In 2023 we did that with JVR and McVee. This year Windsor has been added and Chandler should cement his spot.

What we haven't done since the magnificent 2019 draft of Jackson, Pickett and Rivers is hit that seam of gold which just drives a team to greater heights. Then again few clubs have

2020 was covid and list shrinkage, no surprises that wasn’t a great time. 

2021 due to McVee has become a strong crop with JVR, Howes (who’s the other close to locking up a spot), Woey and even AMW.

We’ll see on 2022, at least we took 4 project player kids and each is still a chance.

The poor opposition scouting to not find any mature players who could really help us and the burning of 2nd round picks bother me more than some picks not working out. JT was never going to be near perfect forever. 

[DistrACTION Jackson 8,399]

Watching Casey yesterday it's glaringly obvious that the non-AFL listed players are mostly below standard.

The Casey midfield was absolutely monstered yesterday, no surprise given there are 0 genuine AFL level inside mids in the side. That is not meant to be offence to K Brown or Tholstrup, but it is their first season, and neither is at the level yet.

The other issues we have is:

1. Brayshaw retired right at the start of the season, so we were already 1 player down, so one less player at Casey.

2. Joel Smith is current unavailable so that is a 2nd player we are down on the list, and 2 players down on Casey.

3. We've had quite a few early season injuries to deal with and fixturing is shocking, so have consistently had to play with less AFL listed players than we would like.

We want to make sure Casey is as competitive as possible so I hope we go and get the best inside mid we can find at the mid-season draft to help with that. Obviously, a backup ruck is also a worry, but I don't think there are many AFL standard rucks available so we may just have to risk it this season.

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34 minutes ago, leave it to deever said:

This isn't a very long list so let's hope we have a great run re injuries this year .

Who have I missed?l 

Oliver Sestan; has shown a few glimpses, after a decent outing against Port a few weeks back. Including a very positive last quarter as a midfield-forward. A mighty barrel goal against the Tigers at Punt Rd. Went back into his shell on Sunday.

Will Verrall; battled manfully against the experienced, ex GWS Giant 203cm ruckman Tom Downie. A statistically well rated outing quantitatively. Qualitatively?

Koltyn Tholstrup; appears to have hit a flat spot after his debut. Perceptions about him have somewhat been clouded given the almost rampant hyperbole and unrealistic expectations around.

Andy Moniz-Wakefield; determined young bloke by all accounts. Surely if he keeps knocking opportunities will come.

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23 minutes ago, Tarax Club said:

Oliver Sestan; has shown a few glimpses, after a decent outing against Port a few weeks back. Including a very positive last quarter as a midfield-forward. A mighty barrel goal against the Tigers at Punt Rd. Went back into his shell on Sunday.

Will Verrall; battled manfully against the experienced, ex GWS Giant 203cm ruckman Tom Downie. A statistically well rated outing quantitatively. Qualitatively?

Koltyn Tholstrup; appears to have hit a flat spot after his debut. Perceptions about him have somewhat been clouded given the almost rampant hyperbole and unrealistic expectations around.

Andy Moniz-Wakefield; determined young bloke by all accounts. Surely if he keeps knocking opportunities will come.

Thanks for responding T.C.

Appreciate it. Yes I had forgotten about the " colt". I thought he was ok in his debut. I don't get to watch the Casey games but I'm grateful for the reports. 

Im guessing Verrall is possibly a future replacement for Max. I dread the day Max retires. Good to hear he's doing ok.

From the sounds of it Sestan is the only other real prospect. I will follow his progress as much as one can through the summaries provided here.

I really don't think we have a great deal of depth but what we do have is pretty good quality.Im hoping we will be able to find a like for like replacement for Gus asap but I'm sure that won't be easy given his skill set. And maybe a good result with the other out who I won't name so as not to antagonize anyone.

I also totally forgot about our premiership player in Spargo which saddens me because he has been a start up player for so long and a wonderful contributor. My absolute apologies for this error. Get back soon Spartacus. Even as a sub I'd love to see that sneaky goal sneak coming on booting three goals every week. 

Tx again.

 

[Axis of Bob 11,581]

1 hour ago, DeeSpencer said:

The poor opposition scouting to not find any mature players who could really help us and the burning of 2nd round picks bother me more than some picks not working out.

Oh no, not our second round pick (would have been pick 41) and our end of second round James Jordon compensation pick (would have been pick 45)!!! 

Won't somebody please think of the children!

Edited May 6 by Axis of Bob

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2 hours ago, DistrACTION Jackson said:

Watching Casey yesterday it's glaringly obvious that the non-AFL listed players are mostly below standard.

The Casey midfield was absolutely monstered yesterday, no surprise given there are 0 genuine AFL level inside mids in the side. That is not meant to be offence to K Brown or Tholstrup, but it is their first season, and neither is at the level yet.

The other issues we have is:

1. Brayshaw retired right at the start of the season, so we were already 1 player down, so one less player at Casey.

2. Joel Smith is current unavailable so that is a 2nd player we are down on the list, and 2 players down on Casey.

3. We've had quite a few early season injuries to deal with and fixturing is shocking, so have consistently had to play with less AFL listed players than we would like.

We want to make sure Casey is as competitive as possible so I hope we go and get the best inside mid we can find at the mid-season draft to help with that. Obviously, a backup ruck is also a worry, but I don't think there are many AFL standard rucks available so we may just have to risk it this season.

Pardon my ignorance but because of the absence of Brayshaw and Smith are we eligible for two picks in the MSD? I really hope so. Depth is a worry and developing players desperately need a more competitive Casey. 

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18 hours ago, Gawndy the Great said:

I thought I did? 

It kinda had a back handed element to the compliment… 

[leave it to deever 17,506]

1 hour ago, Tarax Club said:

Oliver Sestan; has shown a few glimpses, after a decent outing against Port a few weeks back. Including a very positive last quarter as a midfield-forward. A mighty barrel goal against the Tigers at Punt Rd. Went back into his shell on Sunday.

Will Verrall; battled manfully against the experienced, ex GWS Giant 203cm ruckman Tom Downie. A statistically well rated outing quantitatively. Qualitatively?

Koltyn Tholstrup; appears to have hit a flat spot after his debut. Perceptions about him have somewhat been clouded given the almost rampant hyperbole and unrealistic expectations around.

Andy Moniz-Wakefield; determined young bloke by all accounts. Surely if he keeps knocking opportunities will come.

PS. Your posts make me thirsty.

I grew up in St Kilda East and was a big soft drink afficiando. Especially collecting bottles for refunds to buy the footy cards and included gum ( which was [censored]).

I'm guessing by your name your of the same vintage.

What a time the 70 s were for kids to grow up.

All that freedom to wander the streets without fear of being abducted.

I know it happened but my parents seemed oblivious to it all.

Probably to0 busy eating fondue at key parties to worry where there previous children were.

Some lucky kids next door had a crate of soft drinks delivered every week or so. Not your classics like coke and Fanta but some generic version I wish I could remember. They seemed so rich to me. They also were the first people on the street to have a colour tv. What a mind blower that was. Like dropping acid. I guess.

I could go on forever about stuff like footy cards, Sandman cars, yo yos, soft drink, mad magazines, girly mags and 60 cent packs of Marlboros. Mind you we used to just pilfer them from our benevolent Balaclava newsagency employer. We got six bucks a week payment for our six day a week am paper round in the freezing cold so we justified as an unsaid bonus.

The best memory regarding footy cards was flocking them up against the school wall to win some more.

As for soft drink, creaming soda was where it was at for me.

A can of that with a sausage roll and a Wagon wheel after school to watch Get Smart. Mel Brooks at his comic best.

Cheers.

PS Apologies for not including this in the appropriate thread.

Edited May 6 by leave it to deever

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29 minutes ago, Deelectable said:

Pardon my ignorance but because of the absence of Brayshaw and Smith are we eligible for two picks in the MSD? I really hope so. Depth is a worry and developing players desperately need a more competitive Casey. 

We definitely have one for Brayshaw. Don't think we get one for Smith.

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[picket fence 16,970]

I'm still waiting on Dazzle Davey 36 assesment of Matt Jefferson.....

Dazz???

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2 hours ago, leave it to deever said:

PS. Your posts make me thirsty.

I grew up in St Kilda East and was a big soft drink afficiando. Especially collecting bottles for refunds to buy the footy cards and included gum ( which was [censored]).

I'm guessing by your name your of the same vintage.

What a time the 70 s were for kids to grow up.

All that freedom to wander the streets without fear of being abducted.

I know it happened but my parents seemed oblivious to it all.

Probably to0 busy eating fondue at key parties to worry where there previous children were.

Some lucky kids next door had a crate of soft drinks delivered every week or so. Not your classics like coke and Fanta but some generic version I wish I could remember. They seemed so rich to me. They also were the first people on the street to have a colour tv. What a mind blower that was. Like dropping acid. I guess.

I could go on forever about stuff like footy cards, Sandman cars, yo yos, soft drink, mad magazines, girly mags and 60 cent packs of Marlboros. Mind you we used to just pilfer them from our benevolent Balaclava newsagency employer. We got six bucks a week payment for our six day a week am paper round in the freezing cold so we justified as an unsaid bonus.

The best memory regarding footy cards was flocking them up against the school wall to win some more.

As for soft drink, creaming soda was where it was at for me.

A can of that with a sausage roll and a Wagon wheel after school to watch Get Smart. Mel Brooks at his comic best.

Cheers.

PS Apologies for not including this in the appropriate thread.

Deever, you can learn something every day. Never realised Mel Brooks was a creative force behind Get Smart. Big fan of his movies,  Young Frankenstein, Robin Hood Men in Tights etc. Yeah homework was not a priority afterschool. Bugs Bunny Show was an early favourite, recall seeing Get Smart on early evening TV before the re-runs though which might date me.

Probably a good idea soft drink bottles sizes were much smaller and more of a treat back in the day. Rather than freely available and consumed in copious quantities. Tarax (of course) and Marchants with the inserted screw top stopper were locally available brands. A former neighbour who retired to Daylesford, was an early recycler of the family sized Marchants bottles. The mineral water residue gave the bottles a rusty appearance after continual use. Fanta first manufactured and marketed by Coca-Cola in pre-war Nazi Germany was a favourite tipple. Later oddly Schweppes bitter lemon, must have been the quinine.
 
Paper rounds talk about exploited child labour. Just after the original Southland opened,  a young mate cottoned on to the fact, keys given out with the local weekly rag as part of the prizes promotion, were mostly simple designs. The few that were more complex would open the treasure chests on display at the shopping centre. Apparently the ‘diamonds’ were sorted out from the rust pre-delivery by the paperboy cabal.

 

Edited May 6 by Tarax Club

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2 hours ago, DistrACTION Jackson said:

We definitely have one for Brayshaw. Don't think we get one for Smith.

Thanks for that. Good news in part although it seems totally incongruous and unfair that we'll still be one short on the list with no avenue to find a replacement.

[Deelectable 1,043]

3 hours ago, leave it to deever said:

PS. Your posts make me thirsty.

I grew up in St Kilda East and was a big soft drink afficiando. Especially collecting bottles for refunds to buy the footy cards and included gum ( which was [censored]).

I'm guessing by your name your of the same vintage.

What a time the 70 s were for kids to grow up.

All that freedom to wander the streets without fear of being abducted.

I know it happened but my parents seemed oblivious to it all.

Probably to0 busy eating fondue at key parties to worry where there previous children were.

Some lucky kids next door had a crate of soft drinks delivered every week or so. Not your classics like coke and Fanta but some generic version I wish I could remember. They seemed so rich to me. They also were the first people on the street to have a colour tv. What a mind blower that was. Like dropping acid. I guess.

I could go on forever about stuff like footy cards, Sandman cars, yo yos, soft drink, mad magazines, girly mags and 60 cent packs of Marlboros. Mind you we used to just pilfer them from our benevolent Balaclava newsagency employer. We got six bucks a week payment for our six day a week am paper round in the freezing cold so we justified as an unsaid bonus.

The best memory regarding footy cards was flocking them up against the school wall to win some more.

As for soft drink, creaming soda was where it was at for me.

A can of that with a sausage roll and a Wagon wheel after school to watch Get Smart. Mel Brooks at his comic best.

Cheers.

PS Apologies for not including this in the appropriate thread.

Pretty sure 'Loys' were the home delivered crates of soft drink. Loved it! A dozen per week and you got to select the flavours.

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3 minutes ago, Deelectable said:

Pretty sure 'Loys' were the home delivered crates of soft drink. Loved it! A dozen per week and you got to select the flavours.

I think you might be right. I know it started with L. I was thinking loyds but loys does sound familiar. I think there was a depot in Inkerman st never the train bridge .

I remember pineapple and passionfruit and thinking how upmarket they were. All delivered to your door. I begged my mom to get some but she said it was a waste of money. Pffft.

[Roost it far 8,079]

11 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

No coincidence that the two games Matthew Jefferson has hit the scoreboard and looked dangerous is when he's been the main forward target.

I have no idea how they manage this moving forward but having Schache, Ben Brown and Tom Fullarton simply doesn't work for him.

It’s not uncommon to play with 3 key targets in a forward line. Your boy Jefferson better get used to that 

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How does Roy end up a demon?

is he in the mid season draft?

Edited May 6 by Roost it far

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

12 hours ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Again MFC being conservative with players.   Brown, Hore, Schache, Hunter all saved in case they are called up for Thursday night. Unlikely except for Hunter who may come in.   Certainly robbed Casey of 3-4 more senior players.  
 

AMW had a good game imv.  He has developed well and I think he thoroughly deserves a debut shortly.  Good intensity and tackling.  Wins rhe contested footy. 1-2 turnovers but that’s not unlike others including our senior group.  Certainly offers more than Billings or Laurie in my opinion.  
 

Otherwise good chance for some Casey youngsters to get game time.  And for talents like Roy George.  Edwards also looked classy in patches.  

Pretty impressive game from Moniz after the first quarter.

He's always been handy at ground level.  Even in the air, he competes well against taller opponents.

Recovers quickly and pressures / tackles well.

Provides a solid option on the rebound and chains well.

Where he lets himself down is his clangers by foot though.  Particularly through the middle.  Some of them are horror jobs under not alot of pressure and at AFL level the oppo will generally punish on the scoreboard if you turnover in that part of the ground. 

He's doing alot right but i reckon the FD would want to see him clean that side up first.  Too risky otherwise.

He is also being played as a small rebound defender so who is he replacing?  We have Bowey about to come back.  Surely he gets the nod and is well ahead of Moniz preference wise given his prior cred?

Personally if Hunter is playing at Casey i'd rather see him play the Moniz role at times.

Give Moniz some reasonable minutes at CBs and stoppages and see how he goes.  Pushing forward sometimes as well.  Wasted down back and unlikely to get a call up while playing this role at Casey.

Moniz is also a pretty good crumber / goal sneak.  At least when played up forward anyway.  Looks like the FD has other plans though.

Edited May 6 by Demon Dynasty

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I felt Verral was soundly beaten for much of the day by the more experienced Downie.

Won a few contests but his body positioning and ruck craft at times seemed pretty ordinary.

At ground level he faired not much better imv and reaction time pretty slow, even for VFL level.

If he gains possession on the ground he often just panic dump kicks straight ahead or is so slow to get ball to boot or hand his disposals are often smothered or disrupted.

Some of the dump kicks he attempted yesterday had no height on them either and occasionally ended up ricocheting straight back off a player in front.

Has zero athletism but that hasn't stopped others like Darcy from making it.

He might make the grade at some point and patience needed but yesterday wasn't a good outing for the big fella imho.

Edited May 6 by Demon Dynasty

[David-Demon 563]

On 28/04/2024 at 21:40, M_9 said:

Along with most DL’ers (I assume) I’ll be keen to ‘see’ the performance of McAdam and Fullarton first and foremost. 
Probably Verrall and Adams next. I’ve little to no interest in the performance of Schache, Hunter, BBB or Jefferson. Harsh, but factual. I think the first two will be delisted at season’s end. BBB may not last that long ie retire.

Think you are being hard on Jefferson. Kicked 3 last week. Like all forwards, I think they need development time.

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Only one game to go by but Roy looks to have some serious X factor and should be under serious consideration for us in the MSD.

Thought ex-Tiger, Collier-Dawson was pretty impressive for Willly.

Edited May 6 by Demon Dynasty