Duncan Wright vs Brayden Maynard. Similarities?

[Demon17 4,772]

Factual Similarities:

Both Played in losing Grand finals

Both wore original jumper numbers in the 30's

Both took out a champion opposition player in finals (those players' season over as a result)

Both victims have a flag to their name

Both victims were wide open and undefended 

Neither Wright nor Maynard were suspended

Both instigators were Collingwood players

 

Factual Differences:

In Wright's case the ball was about 40 metres away, Mayanard was around 10 metres away.

Each act occurred in different centuries.

In Wright's case , no-one saw the act - In Maynard's.......the AFL world saw it, me live.

Conclusion

 I guess in my mind I'll see both acts as one in the same on balance

That Gus's hit happened 58 years later and still went unpunished is unfathomable - but that's just my opinion. At this stage only an opinion - but like Wright - Maynard will forever be associated with the recent act - thanks to the internet. A legacy that he will spend his lifetime justifying - as Wright had done till he passed away.

 

[forever demons 1,970]

I remember that wright dog act behind the play,no report,but pretty sure he never played again.Maynard only has a few games to go before he never plays again.Go Maysie

[deebunked 285]

I wouldnt bet on dees giving Maynard a hard time. 

Why didnt we sort him out in the QF when we had the chance. Hawthorn would of put Maynard on a stretcher to keep Brayshsaw company.

If anyone gets hit in the KB game its probably us. Collingwood is protected but we're not. May will be reported and suspended in a nano second if he so much as tickles Daicos.

The AFL is a joke run by amateurs.

Im becoming less interested in this season 4everyday as we approach March 7.

 

[Cranky Franky 1,601]

Some comments about the incident are getting very silly.

Maynards actions were reckless & similar to Cripps & Rioli in recent times who both managed to get off due to "technicalities". It was nothing remotely like the Wright/ Somerville incident.

The fault rests totally with the AFL & the way the rules were written and interpreted.

[Gawndy the Great 8,062]

Agreed this is squarely on the AFL. After all that was said and done re head high contact, the fact that Maynard gets off is laughable. If I’m a legal team positioning for a class action on concussion, that goes in as evidence item number #1.

[forever demons 1,970]

8 minutes ago, Cranky Franky said:

Some comments about the incident are getting very silly.

Maynards actions were reckless & similar to Cripps & Rioli in recent times who both managed to get off due to "technicalities". It was nothing remotely like the Wright/ Somerville incident.

The fault rests totally with the AFL & the way the rules were written and interpreted.

Two players carried off on stretchers both concussed by dog acts ,is that similar enough for you.And both careers ruined

[Demon17 4,772]

41 minutes ago, Cranky Franky said:

Some comments about the incident are getting very silly.

Maynards actions were reckless & similar to Cripps & Rioli in recent times who both managed to get off due to "technicalities". It was nothing remotely like the Wright/ Somerville incident.

The fault rests totally with the AFL & the way the rules were written and interpreted.

Didn't say the acts were like for like if you read the post.

My conclusion however is that outside of Collingwood this act defines Maynard's career. And like Wright we will hear now a lifetime of justifications etc.

That, for Maynard's far worse a penalty than 3 weeks from a Tribunal.

Most interesting to me is how the Pies handled each case. Pretty classy in 1965. Disgraceful in 2023 thanks to current culture.

Note the great Thorold Merrett's comments after the Wright incident. 

[Redleg 38,711]

Pretty different acts to me.

One was a king hit behind play, the other was a bump to the head sort of in play.

One was a criminal assault and the other a bit of rough/dirty play.

Collingwood lost John Greening to a king hit years ago by Saint Jim O’Dea. Greening could have been anything, he was brilliant.

[Demonstone 20,136]

1 hour ago, Demon17 said:

Note the great Thorold Merrett's comments after the Wright incident. 

You might need to remind us what they were, @Demon17.

I suspect I'm not the only one who doesn't remember precisely what Thorold said in 1965.

[Demonstone 20,136]

1 hour ago, Redleg said:

Collingwood lost John Greening to a king hit years ago by Saint Jim O’Dea.

That was an act of pure thuggery that left Greening in a coma and he was never the same player again.

O'Dea was rubbed out for ten weeks.

[Sir Why You Little 35,366]

51 minutes ago, Demonstone said:

That was an act of pure thuggery that left Greening in a coma and he was never the same player again.

O'Dea was rubbed out for ten weeks.

Maynard should have got at least 8, The AFL are going to rue this decision for Decades. 
for at least 10 years we were told that the Head was sacrasanct. But obviously not when The Filth are involved. 
Brayshaw had finished his kick and was wide open to the full force 

It makes me sick to the core 

[Demon17 4,772]

1 hour ago, Demonstone said:

You might need to remind us what they were, @Demon17.

I suspect I'm not the only one who doesn't remember precisely what Thorold said in 1965.

Gladly,

"...There was a public outcry; and the press was outraged:

"Collingwood should give an immediate open clearance to the player responsible for this despicable action. It is a blot on our great game and to the greatest club in the VFL." Former Collingwood champion rover Thorold Merrett, commentating on ABV 2.^[5]....."

 

Gladly and thanks for not extrapolating my post as some on here have done as a sort of comparison of both acts.

Its not, but it is a view on the non-collingwood legacy now of player Maynard. 

I thought the similarities/differences  were also interesting

[Demon17 4,772]

2 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Maynard should have got at least 8, The AFL are going to rue this decision for Decades. 
for at least 10 years we were told that the Head was sacrasanct. But obviously not when The Filth are involved. 
Brayshaw had finished his kick and was wide open to the full force 

It makes me sick to the core 

I looked at the O'Dea case and noted the victim in Greening was a Brayshaw-type player - all class, except O'Dea got 10 weeks - because it was on the tele. 

Thus Wright's defence of " no Comment" to the police investigation, along with no tangible/reliable witnesses meant he walked- just like Maynard. O'Dea not so lucky.

But Wright was a "good bloke" notes the Pies club website.  Just like Maynard.

Gee, that's another similiarity too I missed.

I'm signing off now and will follow Gus's career post- playing with love and affection.  My spies at the Club's launch had nothing but pariase for the feeling in the room, and the leadership shown by Max, Kate and trac I think.

Go Dees.

[Sir Why You Little 35,366]

5 minutes ago, Demon17 said:

I looked at the O'Dea case and noted the victim in Greening was a Brayshaw-type player - all class, except O'Dea got 10 weeks - because it was on the tele. 

Thus Wright's defence of " no Comment" to the police investigation, along with no tangible/reliable witnesses meant he walked- just like Maynard. O'Dea not so lucky.

But Wright was a "good bloke" notes the Pies club website.  Just like Maynard.

Gee, that's another similiarity too I missed.

I'm signing off now and will follow Gus's career post- playing with love and affection.  My spies at the Club's launch had nothing but pariase for the feeling in the room, and the leadership shown by Max, Kate and trac I think.

Go Dees.

The Filth always praise their Snipers

[DeeSpencer 23,690]

Gavrilo Princip vs Brayden Maynard. Similarities?

[Demon17 4,772]

3 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

Gavrilo Princip vs Brayden Maynard. Similarities?

None. Two examples. 

1. Princip got 20 years jail time . Maynard gets off.

2. Princip played as a forward for Sarajevo in his youth in the Balkans Football League (or BFL as it was known then)

Maynard's a defender.

[Deebymistake 677]

4 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

The Filth always praise their Snipers

My toilet bowl has a stronger moral compass than the filth.  Perhaps I watch KB seated there than at the G?

[Palace Dees 2,069]

9 hours ago, Redleg said:

Pretty different acts to me.

One was a king hit behind play, the other was a bump to the head sort of in play.

One was a criminal assault and the other a bit of rough/dirty play.

Collingwood lost John Greening to a king hit years ago by Saint Jim O’Dea. Greening could have been anything, he was brilliant.

Different methodology,  but similar result. Maynard could, and should have, avoided tucking in his arms and knocking Gus out. It was deliberate. 

The AFL could, and should have, suspended Maynard on rules existing at the time. They didn't. It was deliberate.

I will never forget, or forgive the A FU L or the Collingwood F#*×@ Club.

[Tim 3,034]

Wright played 3 times against us for 3 losses, including the 1964 GF - good result!

Amazing photo from the time of him standing hands on hips watching the play 80 metres away while Somerville is flat out on the ground next to him. One of the Filth players goes over to near where Somerville was lying and mouths the words along the lines of “You so-and-so…”, but not aimed at the victim.

Edited February 24 by Tim

[leave it to deever 16,607]

21 hours ago, deebunked said:

I wouldnt bet on dees giving Maynard a hard time. 

Why didnt we sort him out in the QF when we had the chance. Hawthorn would of put Maynard on a stretcher to keep Brayshsaw company.

If anyone gets hit in the KB game its probably us. Collingwood is protected but we're not. May will be reported and suspended in a nano second if he so much as tickles Daicos.

The AFL is a joke run by amateurs.

Im becoming less interested in this season 4everyday as we approach March 7.

 

Viney remonstrated a fair bit.

I actually think they were all shell shocked.

I'm pretty sure we will see some sweet deserving retribution during Kb round.

I'll bet Maynard is out though beforehand due to a strained hammy or some other lame excuse.

[leave it to deever 16,607]

10 hours ago, Palace Dees said:

Different methodology,  but similar result. Maynard could, and should have, avoided tucking in his arms and knocking Gus out. It was deliberate. 

The AFL could, and should have, suspended Maynard on rules existing at the time. They didn't. It was deliberate.

I will never forget, or forgive the A FU L or the Collingwood F#*×@ Club.

Laurie was a not a great replacement as sub and racked up even less disposals than Gus. I fully believe that hit cost us a flag birth.

[Monbon 1,672]

10 hours ago, Tim said:

Wright played 3 times against us for 3 losses, including the 1964 GF - good result!

Amazing photo from the time of him standing hands on hips watching the play 80 metres away while Somerville is flat out on the ground next to him. One of the Filth players goes over to near where Somerville was lying and mouths the words along the lines of “You so-and-so…”, but not aimed at the victim.

I worked with Sommerville when I was a junior clerk with the SEC in late 1967/68. He never wanted to discuss anything about it. ( It also shows how much the game has changed: his 'salary' at the SEC would have been less than $100 a week...reasonable money in them dark days, when 'men were men' and on-field assault was de rigueur. Sure, we've come along way, but the fact that 60 years later 'disguised assault' - if you played for certain clubs - was still kosher.

[Demonstone 20,136]

2 hours ago, leave it to deever said:

I fully believe that hit cost us a flag birth.

The birth would have occurred nine months after the flag I'd have thought.  

[Mazer Rackham 14,970]

On 24/02/2024 at 11:40, Cranky Franky said:

Some comments about the incident are getting very silly.

Maynards actions were reckless & similar to Cripps & Rioli in recent times who both managed to get off due to "technicalities". It was nothing remotely like the Wright/ Somerville incident.

The fault rests totally with the AFL & the way the rules were written and interpreted.

Rules that require "interpretation" : unique in the world of sport, and a joke and a travesty.

A sporting tribunal that allows itself to be hijacked by QCs who are granted unlimited time to blather & split hairs & nitpick & run hearings like court cases; also a joke and a travesty.

 

On 24/02/2024 at 11:46, Gawndy the Great said:

Agreed this is squarely on the AFL. After all that was said and done re head high contact, the fact that Maynard gets off is laughable. If I’m a legal team positioning for a class action on concussion, that goes in as evidence item number #1.

Good point. Head is sacrosanct, but there is a now a body of work, from Gablett Jr's two-weeks-in-a-row escapes, to Cripps' laughable exoneration (and plenty of other cases in between), and now Maynard, to show just how arbitrary this sanctity is. With the AFL MRO/tribunal jumping through hoops to get these players off.

 

Jim O'Dea, in front of the modern tribunal, might well get off (except for the fact that he hit a Filth player).

[Clintosaurus 6,966]

9 hours ago, leave it to deever said:

Laurie was a not a great replacement as sub and racked up even less disposals than Gus. I fully believe that hit cost us a flag birth.

Absolutely it did. No Gus injury we win it