pavlich or judd?

[deanox 9,912]

If we could get anyone to the Dees next year who would it be? Judd through the centre is an obvious choice, and i think he is the best player in the comp. i dont need to list his attributes here, but if you add Judd to a midfield of Mclean, (a fit) moloney, TJ et al we are starting get a midfield that rivals the others...

however, mclean and co do alright when they are all fit and on the park but we definitely lack a true CHF. we have a couple of options who dont seem to be the package. would the addition of pavlich to our forward line mean the difference between us being good and premiership material next year?

[Jaded No More 68,903]

I went Pavlich, because he is so much more than just a CHF.

He is a forward, a defender (he got an AA selection at CHB) and he can play in the midfield.

His body is also less suspect... no dodgy shoulders.

That's not to say that I'd be upset if Mr. Judd decided he wants to come to the Dees!

[deanbarber 37]

I went Pavlich, because he is so much more than just a CHF.

He is a forward, a defender (he got an AA selection at CHB) and he can play in the midfield.

His body is also less suspect... no dodgy shoulders.

That's not to say that I'd be upset if Mr. Judd decided he wants to come to the Dees!

umm tough

i voted pav coz we dont have a strong forward and he can play back/mid-field or forward

i no judds 2 years years younger but we've got a great mid field eg. johnno, bruce, mclean, mcdonald and so on

[deanox 9,912]

i think pav will make more of a differnce for us regarding a tilt at a premiership...

[Demon Disciple 12,119]

The emergence of Dunn and Bate as possible CHF, i would still go for Pavlich, even though our odds for the flag are better than our chances of getting him. As stated he is so versatile, plus with Neita on his last legs, it makes more sense.

Ha what am i kidding, we'll get Judd through the PSD, and then we'll trade Freo our first 2 draft picks and 1 Brad Miller to get Pavlich over to the Red and Blue. Yep, start engraving the '08 cup as Melbourne.

[mauriesy 7,287]

The emergence of Dunn and Bate as possible CHF

I don't know that either have actually 'emerged as a possible CHF'.

They were played last weekend as tall running midfielders, who could go back or forward. Mobile 191-192cm 'power' midfielders are what a lot of teams long for ... it's what Fremantle had that killed us in the semi last year. I think Bate and Dunn offer a lot in this regard, especially as their aerobic capacity peaks. I thought Dunn especially looked to have a future in that role rather than as a CHF, his running capacity really impressed me and it's a role we haven't seen him undertake much before.

Judd is a better version of McLean (at least at the moment). I think a Judd-less midfield (McLean, Bruce, Jones, Moloney, Bate, Dunn, Bruce, Green, Bartram etc.) would still hold us in good stead. So I think there's heaps more upside to Pavlich in terms of being a forward improver (including as a Neitz replacement at FF) than Judd as a midfield improver.

Having said that, I'd hate for Judd to end up somewhere like Collingwood or Carlton. :angry:

[grazman 7,432]

Either is a tantalising prospect. I went for Judd, I think he is simply the best footballer around at the minute and is a proven big match performer- but that's no reflection on Pav, just Freo - but it was very, very tight.

[Madness 44]

For the Dees? Pavlich. In general? Judd in a heartbeat.

[Madness 44]

umm tough

i voted pav coz we dont have a strong forward and he can play back/mid-field or forward

i no judds 2 years years younger but we've got a great mid field eg. johnno, bruce, mclean, mcdonald and so on

Oh but what about Nick Sautner?

I just couldn't resist!

[praha 11,240]

I'd rather get Ben Holland, Daniel Ward and Simona Godfrey to resign first rather than get either of them at Melbourne! Stupid question.

[grazman 7,432]

I'd rather get Ben Holland, Daniel Ward and Simona Godfrey to resign first rather than get either of them at Melbourne! Stupid question.

I would have thought this would be right up your alley Chilli. Both out of contract at the EOY and whispers of both being dissatisfied. I think the thread was alluding to hte possibility that if they did both want to decamp then who would people favour? I'm not sure about the second question though - seems a little redundant to me.

[Yze_Magic 3]

This is what will happen at seasons end. Demons will finish 14th.

Trade 1 -

Melbourne sends Cameron Bruce, Chris Johnson and priority pick #19 to the Fremantle Dockers

Melbourne recieves Matthew Pavlich from Fremantle

Trade 2 -

Melbourne sends Brad Miller and 3rd round pick #38 to the Adelaide Crows

Melbourne recieves Nathan Bock and a 4th round pick from Fremantle

Delisted - Godfrey, Jamar, Ward, Pickett, Bizzell

Draft -

With pick 3 in the 2007 national draft the Demons select - Matt Kreuzer- Vic Metro/Nthn Knights - 200cm, athletic ruckman

Pre-season draft

With pick 3 in the Pre-Season draft the Demons select - Tomi Johnstone

Elevate Shane Neaves from rookie list

2008 team

B - Whelan Carroll Bell

HB - Rivers Bock Bartram

C - Johnstone Jones Bate

HF - Robertson Pavlich Sylvia

F - Davey Neitz Green

R - White McLean Moloney

I/C - McDonald Petterd Kreuzer Dunn

Emerg - Yze Newton Frawley

[mauriesy 7,287]

This is what will happen at seasons end.

Have you checked to see that the planets are in alignment at year's end and that you've got a goat to slaughter?

[The Slack-Jawed Yokel 0]

Have you checked to see that the planets are in alignment at year's end and that you've got a goat to slaughter?

[Garry Lyon's Leg Hair 0]

This is what will happen at seasons end. Demons will finish 14th.

Trade 1 -

Melbourne sends Cameron Bruce, Chris Johnson and priority pick #19 to the Fremantle Dockers

Melbourne recieves Matthew Pavlich from Fremantle

Trade 2 -

Melbourne sends Brad Miller and 3rd round pick #38 to the Adelaide Crows

Melbourne recieves Nathan Bock and a 4th round pick from Fremantle

Delisted - Godfrey, Jamar, Ward, Pickett, Bizzell

Draft -

With pick 3 in the 2007 national draft the Demons select - Matt Kreuzer- Vic Metro/Nthn Knights - 200cm, athletic ruckman

Pre-season draft

With pick 3 in the Pre-Season draft the Demons select - Tomi Johnstone

Elevate Shane Neaves from rookie list

2008 team

B - Whelan Carroll Bell

HB - Rivers Bock Bartram

C - Johnstone Jones Bate

HF - Robertson Pavlich Sylvia

F - Davey Neitz Green

R - White McLean Moloney

I/C - McDonald Petterd Kreuzer Dunn

Emerg - Yze Newton Frawley

Clearly you have way too much time on your hands.

Surely you could have seen a way to get Hamish McIntosh, Jonathon Brown, Heath Shaw and Chad Cornes into the team for next year as well. Back to the drawing board with you.

[Yze_Magic 3]

Clearly you have way too much time on your hands.

Surely you could have seen a way to get Hamish McIntosh, Jonathon Brown, Heath Shaw and Chad Cornes into the team for next year as well. Back to the drawing board with you.

My plan is realistic

Who the hell would want McIntosh or Shaw anyway?

And Brown or Cornes are out of the question

[Rhino Richards 1,467]

My plan is realistic

......

Its another of your fantasies. Be careful of your keyboard again.

Freemantle and Adelaide would be stupid to do those deals. Its a bigger sell off than a garage sale.

Yesterday you said Freo would asked for "Freo would ask for McLean, Bate and a 1st rounder".

They do the deal on "Cameron Bruce, Chris Johnson and priority pick #19 to the Fremantle Dockers".

What a crock!

Were you handling Freo's negotiations?

Why would Adelaide given up a capable AFL footballer and a 4th round pick for a footballer who is not and a3rd round pick?

What value is Miller to them when they have McGregor and Perrie who are better than Miller?

[Jonesy is the next captain 0]

I would take Jonathon Brown over Pavlich and Judd is not worth what we would have to give up for him

[Garry Lyon's Leg Hair 0]

My plan is realistic

Who the hell would want McIntosh or Shaw anyway?

And Brown or Cornes are out of the question

McIntosh is young and a pretty good ruckman and one of those would be handy give old Whitey is getting a bit long in the tooth. Heath Shaw or Jesse Smith would be an asset good running players & goal kickers from full/half back and good replacements for Ward, Brown, Picket or Whelan (take your pick) are much older than these guys and looking forward both will probably turn out to be much better players overall.

[QueenC 74]

I would take Jonathon Brown over Pavlich and Judd is not worth what we would have to give up for him

FWIW I went with Pavlich....

But that is the real question isn't it, is one player, even Chris Judd, worth it?

Especially considering that we would have to give up half the side to get him <_< !!!

[deanox 9,912]

so 7 people said they would prefer someone other than judd or pavlich to come to melbourne? only on the demon bnadwagon metnioned j brown. who were the others?

[occo 2]

This is what will happen at seasons end. Demons will finish 14th.

I dont think we will pick up Bock for a 3rd round pick and Miller. Bock is a great player and the crows love him to death. He wont leave under those conditions.

Who do i think should go. well firstly Pavlich and judd are going nowhere so to talk about them being traded is silly.

These are the players out of contract:

lewis

roughead

ryder

dale thomas

pendlebury

krakour

mooney

judd

pavlich

riewoldt

dal santo

nathan brown

coughlan

nick stevens

marc murphy

andrew walker

josh kennedy

kepler bradley

mark johnson

andrew lovett

nathan lovet murray

brent stanton

courtney johns

The players in bold are not going anywhere i dont think

Trade: Bruce + Jamar = B.Stanton (Essendon)

Essendon dont need a CHF like miller. The area of weakness that they will be looking at is ruck and midfield with James Hird retiring. They rely too heavily with Hille and laycock. As for stanton, well i see him as a future wing player who can play both forward and midfield. I really rate the kid a lot

I have been watching kruzer for 3 weeks not. The guy is a monster and is one of the best tap ruckman out there. He has gone forward and kicked crutial goals too but the guy is too talanted to go at # 6 or whatever we get for coming 14th. Richmond need a ruckman and will get him before we can.

[Deano74 156]

i think pav will make more of a differnce for us regarding a tilt at a premiership...

I agree with you, individuals such as Judd are invaluable, but with Brock, Jones, Johnston etc They would love another target up forward as would neitz and robbo and as brillant as Judd is, Pavlich would make us a better Team.

[Deano74 156]

Trade: Bruce + Jamar = B.Stanton (Essendon)

Essendon dont need a CHF like miller. The area of weakness that they will be looking at is ruck and midfield with James Hird retiring. They rely too heavily with Hille and laycock. As for stanton, well i see him as a future wing player who can play both forward and midfield. I really rate the kid a lot

I have been watching kruzer for 3 weeks not. The guy is a monster and is one of the best tap ruckman out there. He has gone forward and kicked crutial goals too but the guy is too talanted to go at # 6 or whatever we get for coming 14th. Richmond need a ruckman and will get him before we can.

U cant be serious Bruce + Jamar = B.Stanton

No way would I trade Bruce. If Only Daniher had the luxury to leave him in the middle all the time.

[Demon Disciple 12,119]

I would trade Bruce, if a decent trade was up for grabs in which we benefit. Sure, he gets a lot of possies, but many are ineffective. His disposal has gotten gradually worse and his decision-making even more so. The fact that many were considering him to become next captain hsows how far he has slipped. No way would Bruce IMO be a good choice as captain.

There are only two or three players in our team that can turn a game on its head. Neitz, McLean and to a lesser extent TJ. Hopefully a few of the younger blokes can enhance that number.

So getting back to the start, yes i would trade Bruce for someone that improves our team.