2024 List and Contract Details

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AMW I'm near certain has to be promoted off the Cat-B list as he's been on it for 3 years. Since he's played less than 10 games he can go to the Cat-A list is my understanding.

That gives us

33 senior listed players: 2-3 spots available

6 Cat-A rookies: Max

0 Cat-B rookies: 1-2 spots available

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9 minutes ago, DistrACTION Jackson said:

I imagine that means we will be taking 3 picks at the draft, with McVee also upgraded and Smith delisted? 

AMW then will be moved to the Cat A rookie list and then I’m guessing Mentha and maybe an Irish player on the Cat B list

I believe Riak Andrew could potentially be listed as a Cat-B rookie if he goes undrafted due to his previous academy ties though I'm not 100% certain on that.

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9 minutes ago, Nascent said:

AMW I'm near certain has to be promoted off the Cat-B list as he's been on it for 3 years. Since he's played less than 10 games he can go to the Cat-A list is my understanding.

That gives us

33 senior listed players: 2-3 spots available

6 Cat-A rookies: Max

0 Cat-B rookies: 1-2 spots available

Pretty sure AMW can now stay for 4 years with the new changes?

[dazzledavey36 55,885]

16 minutes ago, DistrACTION Jackson said:

I imagine that means we will be taking 3 picks at the draft, with McVee also upgraded and Smith delisted? 

AMW then will be moved to the Cat A rookie list and then I’m guessing Mentha and maybe an Irish player on the Cat B list

Bit like AMW, I think McVee can still stay on the rookie list for a 4th year with the new changes in place?

[DistrACTION Jackson 10,223]

Just now, dazzledavey36 said:

Bit like AMW, I think McVee can still stay on the rookie list for a 4th year with the new changes in place?

I see. Still hope they move him onto the main list given he deserves it. Not sure why we needed to move Melksham, would’ve left him as a rookie

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1 minute ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Pretty sure AMW can now stay for 4 years with the new changes?

You might be right, I thought it was you could have a 4th year but move from Cat-B to Cat-A? That may not be the case.

Pretty sure there had to be a 'less than 10 games played' clause as well to stay on a rookie list for 4 years regardless.

[red and blue forever 1,059]

Update for Hore extension and Melksham upgrade

Only Smith pending now...

 

Edited October 23, 2024 by red and blue forever

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36 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Bit like AMW, I think McVee can still stay on the rookie list for a 4th year with the new changes in place?

I believe we had a deal with McVee to upgrade him at the end of this year

Edited October 23, 2024 by red and blue forever

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1 minute ago, red and blue forever said:

I believe we had a deal with McVee to upgrade him at the end of this year

Yes that is correct, just need to get him to extend his contract now. Thanks r a b f .👍👍😁👏

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10 minutes ago, red and blue forever said:

Update for Hore extension and Melksham upgrade

Only Smith pending now...

 

So when Smith is delisted we will have 4 senior spots available, 1 rookie A and 1 rookie b?

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2 minutes ago, DistrACTION Jackson said:

So when Smith is delisted we will have 4 senior spots available, 1 rookie A and 1 rookie b?

3 senior spots, (it should have been 34 not 33, Fixed now)

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10 minutes ago, red and blue forever said:

I believe we had a deal with McVee to upgrade him at the end of this year

I can't find anything that explains he's been upgraded to the main list??

43 minutes ago, Nascent said:

You might be right, I thought it was you could have a 4th year but move from Cat-B to Cat-A? That may not be the case.

Pretty sure there had to be a 'less than 10 games played' clause as well to stay on a rookie list for 4 years regardless.

So does that mean AMW can still remain because he's played less then 10 games??

Ahhhh too confusing 😕 

[red and blue forever 1,059]

2 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

I can't find anything that explains he's been upgraded to the main list??

So does that mean AMW can still remain because he's played less then 10 games??

Ahhhh too confusing 😕 

It was part of his contract extension last year,

2 years, and main list in 2025

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3 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

I can't find anything that explains he's been upgraded to the main list??

So does that mean AMW can still remain because he's played less then 10 games??

Ahhhh too confusing 😕 

Found an article on it.

 

"The AFL will introduce a trigger for an additional fourth year on the Rookie List where the Rookie has played less than ten career AFL matches, which will then apply in same way for access to an additional fifth year. Total aggregate years on the Rookie List will be capped at five years (5.5 years for Mid-Season Rookie Draft).

This change aims to assist clubs to invest in players who may take longer to develop."

https://www.afl.com.au/news/1185312/afl-player-movement-and-list-management-changes

 

Edited October 23, 2024 by Nascent

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24 minutes ago, Nascent said:

Found an article on it.

 

"The AFL will introduce a trigger for an additional fourth year on the Rookie List where the Rookie has played less than ten career AFL matches, which will then apply in same way for access to an additional fifth year. Total aggregate years on the Rookie List will be capped at five years (5.5 years for Mid-Season Rookie Draft).

This change aims to assist clubs to invest in players who may take longer to develop."

https://www.afl.com.au/news/1185312/afl-player-movement-and-list-management-changes

 

so, we will probably delist smith and go into the draft with

3 senior spots

1 a rookie

1 b rookie

unless we grab another free agent as our 3rd pick is around 83 (round 5)

or we may split pick 9...

 

 

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1 hour ago, Nascent said:

I believe Riak Andrew could potentially be listed as a Cat-B rookie if he goes undrafted due to his previous academy ties though I'm not 100% certain on that.

Has there been any indication that the club is considering Riak Andrew? Does anyone know if he is likely to be drafted?

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In light of the Melksham upgrade to the senior list, what's the actual logistical difference between the senior and rookie list? Is it purely financial (I presume that we can pay rookies significantly less?). I know that there used to be a rule where rookies could only play if a senior listed player had a long term injury, but I'm pretty sure that's no longer the case.

I wonder why the club would upgrade Melksham for what will probably be his final season, when many clubs in similar positions seem to send their veterans to the rookie list and keep them there. Perhaps he was on lower pay last year because he was only available for half the season? Perhaps the club is upgrading him as a mark of respect? Anyone got a more concrete theory?

[dazzledavey36 55,885]

From the Age.

Melbourne

Arrivals: Tom Campbell (free agency), Harry Sharp (trade)
Departures: Angus Brayshaw (retired), Ben Brown (retired), Kyah Farris-White (delisted), Lachie Hunter (retired), Alex Neal-Bullen (trade), Josh Schache (delisted), Adam Tomlinson (delisted)
Draft picks: 5, 9
Uncontracted: Marty Hore, Joel Smith
Contracted: 37 (no category B rookies)
The Demons addressed needs in the player movement period, adding ruck depth (Campbell) behind Max Gawn before trading for Sharp, who will get the chance to replace Neal-Bullen in attack. They have two first-round picks, as they did last year with Caleb Windsor and Koltyn Tholstrup, and will make three selections overall. Melbourne may not place a bid on Essendon’s NGA prospect Isaac Kako after trading for the Bombers’ pick nine. Midfielders Harvey Langford, Sid Draper and Josh Smillie could get through to their first selection, while key forward Harry Armstrong, defenders Alix Tauru and Luke Trainor, and classy midfielder Xavier Lindsay might be in the mix at their second pick. Hore will score another one-year deal, but Smith will be delisted. Judd McVee will be upgraded to the primary list, and Andy Moniz-Wakefield can no longer be a category B rookie.

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4 hours ago, Dee man said:

In light of the Melksham upgrade to the senior list, what's the actual logistical difference between the senior and rookie list? Is it purely financial (I presume that we can pay rookies significantly less?). I know that there used to be a rule where rookies could only play if a senior listed player had a long term injury, but I'm pretty sure that's no longer the case.

I wonder why the club would upgrade Melksham for what will probably be his final season, when many clubs in similar positions seem to send their veterans to the rookie list and keep them there. Perhaps he was on lower pay last year because he was only available for half the season? Perhaps the club is upgrading him as a mark of respect? Anyone got a more concrete theory?

also need to factor in that we only want to take 3 picks to the draft

5, 9, 50-70ish, riak andrew as a cat a, ricky mentha as a cat b would be pretty nice

hope that yze gets a contract with casey and a chance to develop adjacent to an afl system

do we know who is continuing on with casey, @KC from Casey? i read somewhere on this very forum that deakyn smith might be back, plus i'm hoping tyler edwards, kai windsor, freeman continue on as regular players for casey given the loss of white, hustwaite, and other experienced players

starting xxiii
B: McVee - May - Lever
HB: Bowey - McDonald - Salem
C: Langdon - Rivers - C Windsor
HF: Petracca - Petty - Chandler
F: van Rooyen - Fritsch - Pickett
Foll: Gawn - Oliver - Viney
I/c: Spargo - Tholstrup - Turner - pick 5 / 9
Sub: Melksham

casey xxiii
B: Smith - Adams - Hore
HB: Moniz-Wakefield - Andrew - Howes
C: Billings - Woewodin - Sharp
HF: pick 5 / 9 - Fullarton  - Edwards
F: Verrall - Jefferson - McAdam
Foll: Campbell - Sestan - Laurie
I/c: Edwards - K Windsor - Freeman - Mentha
Top-up: Yze

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13 hours ago, Dee man said:

In light of the Melksham upgrade to the senior list, what's the actual logistical difference between the senior and rookie list? Is it purely financial (I presume that we can pay rookies significantly less?). I know that there used to be a rule where rookies could only play if a senior listed player had a long term injury, but I'm pretty sure that's no longer the case.

I wonder why the club would upgrade Melksham for what will probably be his final season, when many clubs in similar positions seem to send their veterans to the rookie list and keep them there. Perhaps he was on lower pay last year because he was only available for half the season? Perhaps the club is upgrading him as a mark of respect? Anyone got a more concrete theory?

I have wondered that too. Match payments are the same. 

My gut feel is the respect thing.

But I haven’t read the new CBA as deeply as the last one.

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17 hours ago, Dee man said:

In light of the Melksham upgrade to the senior list, what's the actual logistical difference between the senior and rookie list? Is it purely financial (I presume that we can pay rookies significantly less?). I know that there used to be a rule where rookies could only play if a senior listed player had a long term injury, but I'm pretty sure that's no longer the case.

I wonder why the club would upgrade Melksham for what will probably be his final season, when many clubs in similar positions seem to send their veterans to the rookie list and keep them there. Perhaps he was on lower pay last year because he was only available for half the season? Perhaps the club is upgrading him as a mark of respect? Anyone got a more concrete theory?

List sizes are 36 + 6 + 2 cat B.

If Moniz is now a cat A rookie - which I believe he is - then our rookie list is full and someone had to be elevated, may as well be Melk (who was last year shuffled back as we had more senior list guys than rookies).

(If Moniz is still cat B then we do have a rookie spot but it’s highly unlikely we’d want to hand out a main list spot to pick 84 after already using pick 83 as it currently stands, we’d promote Melk and use a rookie pick).

 

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19 hours ago, Dee man said:

In light of the Melksham upgrade to the senior list, what's the actual logistical difference between the senior and rookie list? Is it purely financial (I presume that we can pay rookies significantly less?). I know that there used to be a rule where rookies could only play if a senior listed player had a long term injury, but I'm pretty sure that's no longer the case.

I wonder why the club would upgrade Melksham for what will probably be his final season, when many clubs in similar positions seem to send their veterans to the rookie list and keep them there. Perhaps he was on lower pay last year because he was only available for half the season? Perhaps the club is upgrading him as a mark of respect? Anyone got a more concrete theory?

 

2 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

List sizes are 36 + 6 + 2 cat B.

If Moniz is now a cat A rookie - which I believe he is - then our rookie list is full and someone had to be elevated, may as well be Melk (who was last year shuffled back as we had more senior list guys than rookies).

(If Moniz is still cat B then we do have a rookie spot but it’s highly unlikely we’d want to hand out a main list spot to pick 84 after already using pick 83 as it currently stands, we’d promote Melk and use a rookie pick).

 

In the past you could go 35,7,2 but don't know if that still applies

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6 minutes ago, stinga said:

 

In the past you could go 35,7,2 but don't know if that still applies

No you can go from 38-4 to 36-6 but you’re giving away cap space for nothing if you aren’t 36-6. 

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On 23/10/2024 at 23:14, whatwhat say what said:

also need to factor in that we only want to take 3 picks to the draft

5, 9, 50-70ish, riak andrew as a cat a, ricky mentha as a cat b would be pretty nice

hope that yze gets a contract with casey and a chance to develop adjacent to an afl system

do we know who is continuing on with casey, @KC from Casey? i read somewhere on this very forum that deakyn smith might be back, plus i'm hoping tyler edwards, kai windsor, freeman continue on as regular players for casey given the loss of white, hustwaite, and other experienced players

starting xxiii
B: McVee - May - Lever
HB: Bowey - McDonald - Salem
C: Langdon - Rivers - C Windsor
HF: Petracca - Petty - Chandler
F: van Rooyen - Fritsch - Pickett
Foll: Gawn - Oliver - Viney
I/c: Spargo - Tholstrup - Turner - pick 5 / 9
Sub: Melksham

casey xxiii
B: Smith - Adams - Hore
HB: Moniz-Wakefield - Andrew - Howes
C: Billings - Woewodin - Sharp
HF: pick 5 / 9 - Fullarton  - Edwards
F: Verrall - Jefferson - McAdam
Foll: Campbell - Sestan - Laurie
I/c: Edwards - K Windsor - Freeman - Mentha
Top-up: Yze

Kentfield ? Pick 70ish ?

Edited October 24, 2024 by Viscount Cardwell
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On 23/10/2024 at 16:48, Nascent said:

Found an article on it.

 

"The AFL will introduce a trigger for an additional fourth year on the Rookie List where the Rookie has played less than ten career AFL matches, which will then apply in same way for access to an additional fifth year. Total aggregate years on the Rookie List will be capped at five years (5.5 years for Mid-Season Rookie Draft).

This change aims to assist clubs to invest in players who may take longer to develop."

https://www.afl.com.au/news/1185312/afl-player-movement-and-list-management-changes

 

they seriously need to put a ban on players being shuffled back, its a pisstake that darragh joyce after 17 years as a fringe player can be moved around in this way. the only way i'd allow it would be after the mandatory ND 2yr contract and zero games, they allow u to drop back, ala the freo ruckman knobel. as that is a genuine rookie who is developing slowly. but blokes like joyce are senior players regardless of his irishness. invite him to train on sure but dont be allowed to slide him back down

On 24/10/2024 at 14:11, stinga said:

 

In the past you could go 35,7,2 but don't know if that still applies

you can go past 6 A rookies during the mid season draft when senior players are moved to inactive list. but at the beginning of each season this has to be reset to a max of 6, hence why we had 7 when kentfield replaced brayshaw