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6 hours ago, Redleg said:

K. Turner played 6 games for Casey and is 6 years younger than Declase was.

Not sure how many games Declase played for Casey.

With issues with Joel Smith that might help him.

We don't have to delist K.Turner, but Melksham has to become a rookie if we are going to use pick 42. He takes D.Smith's spot. We just won't have a pick to rookie K.Brown as I don't think he is worth pick 42.

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    Interesting interview with Tim Lamb saying we will only pick 2 players so we will have the maximum amount of rookies to the list as you can have. Sestan, Verrall, McVee, K.Turner and another 2 rookies with 2 b class rookies in Moniz-Wakefield and Farris-White.

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    21 hours ago, spirit of norm smith said:

    Yes probably see Kye Turner delisted.  Can’t see him staying on given we would want to add 6,11 and Kynan Brown (use pick 42 to match if required) and a rookie.  Hopefully Billy Wilson as a rookie if he’s available.  

    I'd love Billy Wilson to come to Dee's, he is so under-rated.  A lot like Rivers who can carry the ball through the middle from half back and hit a leading target inside 50.  Even though he is under-rated, I still expect someone to pick him up by the end of 2nd round picks, and my sources say the Dee's haven't even interviewed him so he is not on our radar.

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    Turner was a weird selection at the time, and his injuries since haven't helped his case.

    The club's website lists him as 193cm and 78kg - that is a long way off key position size and he will be 22 before the start of next season. How much size is he going to be able to put on in five months?

    I'd certainly prefer to move him on, and have a list spot available for a draft slider.

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    5 hours ago, poita said:

    Turner was a weird selection at the time, and his injuries since haven't helped his case.

    The club's website lists him as 193cm and 78kg - that is a long way off key position size and he will be 22 before the start of next season. How much size is he going to be able to put on in five months?

    I'd certainly prefer to move him on, and have a list spot available for a draft slider.

    I’d be shocked if he wasn’t at least mid 80kg last summer, possibly more, he’s not that skinny. His fitness and health will be more important than size. Aside from evaluating the available alternatives I think they’ll be monitoring his fitness, if his groins hold up I’d expect he’d get another go 

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    6 hours ago, poita said:

    Turner was a weird selection at the time, and his injuries since haven't helped his case.

    The club's website lists him as 193cm and 78kg - that is a long way off key position size and he will be 22 before the start of next season. How much size is he going to be able to put on in five months?

    I'd certainly prefer to move him on, and have a list spot available for a draft slider.

    Sorry Poita but we would have a Turnover of about 10/12 each Season if you were TL or JT. Your recent comment midweek involved about 4 players who you indicated would or should not be on our list ( Laurie is almost your go to whipping boy). He is contracted so give him the time ( yes 3 years and this year you say but count out the first year due to injury to be fair). Also we would have not kept Gawny or won our wonderful flag under your keep ‘‘em moving 2 year policy. 

    On this occasion I actually agree with you on retaining or not K. Turner but take deference to your 193cm as TOO short for a key position. If you have 2 others above that then it’s a third defender role in which we have Disco as a third banana. He played tall and marking is only one if his attributes. But it’s the 78 kegs that is damming if in fact true. Hardly even a flankers weight!!

    BTW I think Laurie was good as Sub vs Hawks and Swans with his skills and ball involvement. But not so much in the fray of the QF vs Pies. 

    Also your views are so black and white and in a Club with 44 players there is grey very much involved. People or our players are our greatest asset and we need to be firm ( and a touch ruthless like with CLarry and Garry). A balance is needed or we will ruin our destination club reputation far too soon after all the good work in the last decade. 
     

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    1 minute ago, 58er said:

    Sorry Poita but we would have a Turnover of about 10/12 each Season if you were TL or JT. Your recent comment midweek involved about 4 players who you indicated would or should not be on our list ( Laurie is almost your go to whipping boy). He is contracted so give him the time ( yes 3 years and this year you say but count out the first year due to injury to be fair). Also we would have not kept Gawny or won our wonderful flag under your keep ‘‘em moving 2 year policy. 

    On this occasion I actually agree with you on retaining or not K. Turner but take deference to your 193cm as TOO short for a key position. If you have 2 others above that then it’s a third defender role in which we have Disco as a third banana. He played tall and marking is only one if his attributes. But it’s the 78 kegs that is damming if in fact true. Hardly even a flankers weight!!

    BTW I think Laurie was good as Sub vs Hawks and Swans with his skills and ball involvement. But not so much in the fray of the QF vs Pies. 

    Also your views are so black and white and in a Club with 44 players there is grey very much involved. People or our players are our greatest asset and we need to be firm ( and a touch ruthless like with CLarry and Garry). A balance is needed or we will ruin our destination club reputation far too soon after all the good work in the last decade. 
     

    Harry not Garry!! 

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    21 hours ago, george_on_the_outer said:

    We will keep 42 because it is the answer to the ultimate question of life, the Universe and Everything!

    As @Slartibartfast can attest.

    Is Deep Thought pondering the Kye Turner conundrum too?

    Edited by Tarax Club
    Vote yes for Kye Turner retention.

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    I make it that 42 comes all the way in to 41 on draft night.

    Five Academy and F/S selections push it out: Walter, Read, Rogers (Suns), Croft (Dogs), McCabe (Hawks)

    The Suns have 6 matching picks before 42 which will get eaten up but the Dogs and Hawks matching picks are all after 42, so it will come in by 6 picks.

    https://www.zerohanger.com/afl/afl-draft-order-2023/

    42: out by 5, in by 6 - becomes 41

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    22 minutes ago, old55 said:

    I make it that 42 comes all the way in to 41 on draft night.

    Five Academy and F/S selections push it out: Walter, Read, Rogers (Suns), Croft (Dogs), McCabe (Hawks)

    The Suns have 6 matching picks before 42 which will get eaten up but the Dogs and Hawks matching picks are all after 42, so it will come in by 6 picks.

    https://www.zerohanger.com/afl/afl-draft-order-2023/

    42: out by 5, in by 6 - becomes 41

    i hope we look at NGA Orlando Turner from NT like AMW as a rookie and Dogga Brown's boy.

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    If 42 is still in play, Dees might look at another young ruck option. Not sure he lasts through but imv we’d look at Taylor Goad.  Goad impressed in the national combine testing for a guy of his size.  Played SANFL South Adelaide (SA) under 18s and in the championships. Hes 206cms and at 90kg.  Hes really athletic for a big man who’s only just a few cms under the height of Mason Cox.  At the combine Goad's 20m sprint was a great result. He twice went under three seconds with a best 2.97.  He was also a key part of South Adelaide winning the under18s GF. 

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    On 19/10/2023 at 09:03, Redleg said:

    Why would we delist him, when he has been injured most of the season and hasn’t had the chance to show us his ability.


    Because in the absence of better options, we deemed it worth offering the kid a chance. He hasn’t been able to take it, and now it has become a case of persevering with him now in the full knowledge of his injury circumstances, or offering that opportunity to kids who are more talented and/or able to convert that opportunity into a successful outcome. Sucks for K Turner, but thems the breaks.

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    On 27/10/2023 at 09:31, spirit of norm smith said:

    If 42 is still in play, Dees might look at another young ruck option. Not sure he lasts through but imv we’d look at Taylor Goad.  Goad impressed in the national combine testing for a guy of his size.  Played SANFL South Adelaide (SA) under 18s and in the championships. Hes 206cms and at 90kg.  Hes really athletic for a big man who’s only just a few cms under the height of Mason Cox.  At the combine Goad's 20m sprint was a great result. He twice went under three seconds with a best 2.97.  He was also a key part of South Adelaide winning the under18s GF. 

    If 42 is in play do you think we can go for Mannagh from Werribee? Can play in the midfield and forward and adds experience as he's 26 years old. I think going for a 3rd developing ruck is a bit much we already have Verrall and Farris-White.

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    I wouldn't mind drafting local lad Kade Delarue with a late or rookie pick. When I say local, I mean local to Casey!

    Good sized mid/flanker. Has a yard of pace and is a good user, especially inside 50. Is the ultimate team player and overcame some injuries to be a solid performer in the Championships.

    Father was an excellent player at Springvale and Dandenong.

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    Not sure if MFC will have a list spot to keep this pick live , or will simply pass or trade on somehow for a 2024 3rd round pick (eagles may perhaps be interested). 
     

    But if we did have “42” live, one player who impressed me throughout the national championships (and in the two Gippsland games I saw) was Wil Dawson.  Very composed tall defender. He was able to intercept or spoil and contested well man on man.  Has mobility and his 2nd efforts were very good. Decent kicking skills for a big man.
     

    Dees might grab O’Sullivan or Murphy but if we go 2 mids at 6,11 then Dawson might be handy if we have this pick live. 

     

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    16 minutes ago, spirit of norm smith said:

    Not sure if MFC will have a list spot to keep this pick live , or will simply pass or trade on somehow for a 2024 3rd round pick (eagles may perhaps be interested). 
     

    But if we did have “42” live, one player who impressed me throughout the national championships (and in the two Gippsland games I saw) was Wil Dawson.  Very composed tall defender. He was able to intercept or spoil and contested well man on man.  Has mobility and his 2nd efforts were very good. Decent kicking skills for a big man.
     

    Dees might grab O’Sullivan or Murphy but if we go 2 mids at 6,11 then Dawson might be handy if we have this pick live. 

     

    Agree. I only saw his two games for Vic country but I  was impressed by him in those games which I believe were his first two games in defence. Good interceptor, quick for a big man and looked good one on one. 
    I hope with get a key defender this draft and if not Curtin or O'Sullivan then I’m hoping Dawson or Zakostelsky are available at our later pick.  
    Realistically the only way I see this happening is if we move up for pick 1,2 or 3 and improve 42 slightly. 

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    On 27/10/2023 at 08:31, spirit of norm smith said:

    If 42 is still in play, Dees might look at another young ruck option. Not sure he lasts through but imv we’d look at Taylor Goad.  Goad impressed in the national combine testing for a guy of his size.  Played SANFL South Adelaide (SA) under 18s and in the championships. Hes 206cms and at 90kg.  Hes really athletic for a big man who’s only just a few cms under the height of Mason Cox.  At the combine Goad's 20m sprint was a great result. He twice went under three seconds with a best 2.97.  He was also a key part of South Adelaide winning the under18s GF. 

    https://www.afl.com.au/news/1059916
     

    He is shooting up to top 25 probably now 

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    Goad is a good hit out, but his ball skills are very green.  And we already have 2 other developing rucks, not that I know how well they are going.

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    James Jordon comp- end of 2nd round “42” 

    Cal says Melbourne's pick 42 going to St Kilda for a F3 2024 

    If Saints finish say 8th again , that’s about pick 52 after next years father son and academy picks.  Trading down to a future draft 🤔🤣😤🤡❤️😤🤡🤔hmmmmm? 
     

    I thought offer to Port for F2 2024. They need to get lower in this draft (!!!) 

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    1 hour ago, spirit of norm smith said:

    James Jordon comp- end of 2nd round “42” 

    Cal says Melbourne's pick 42 going to St Kilda for a F3 2024 

    If Saints finish say 8th again , that’s about pick 52 after next years father son and academy picks.  Trading down to a future draft 🤔🤣😤🤡❤️😤🤡🤔hmmmmm? 
     

    I thought offer to Port for F2 2024. They need to get lower in this draft (!!!) 

    Why would you do That

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    1 hour ago, spirit of norm smith said:

    James Jordon comp- end of 2nd round “42” 

    Cal says Melbourne's pick 42 going to St Kilda for a F3 2024 

    If Saints finish say 8th again , that’s about pick 52 after next years father son and academy picks.  Trading down to a future draft 🤔🤣😤🤡❤️😤🤡🤔hmmmmm? 
     

    I thought offer to Port for F2 2024. They need to get lower in this draft (!!!) 

    Yeah, I also wounder the logic of this move.

    The only thing I can make of it is, that if we weren't going to use it this draft anyway, then perhaps it will have something is more than nothing currency next year in case we have an academy or F/S in play then.

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    41 minutes ago, Rodney (Balls) Grinter said:

    Yeah, I also wounder the logic of this move.

    The only thing I can make of it is, that if we weren't going to use it this draft anyway, then perhaps it will have something is more than nothing currency next year in case we have an academy or F/S in play then.

    Once again, WE DONT HAVE THE LIST SPOTS!

    this pick was spoken for when we traded for Billings. 

    Funnily enough we gave them a future 3rd and got a F3 back for 42 

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    1 hour ago, DeeSpencer said:

    Once again, WE DONT HAVE THE LIST SPOTS!

    this pick was spoken for when we traded for Billings. 

    Funnily enough we gave them a future 3rd and got a F3 back for 42 

    Yes it’s like we paid “42” for Billings !!!

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    8 minutes ago, spirit of norm smith said:

    Yes it’s like we paid “42” for Billings !!!

    So to put a full stop on the tread "we can use 42"

    ...for Billings 

    ...sort of.

     

    BTW @DeeSpencer - DO WE HAVE ANY MORE LIST SPOTS?

    Edited by Rodney (Balls) Grinter

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