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PREGAME: QF vs Collingwood


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19 hours ago, binman said:

Agree, winning territory is key. For us scoring from turnover and a positive turnover differential is also key, as of course is winning contested ball and pressure. Those things are key in all our games. 

But the most critical element for us is our defence system - and by that i mean our all team defence, not just our back seven.

Leaving aside the fact we want to negate the pies ability to transition fast any time we play them, there's no way we wanted to get into a fast transition game with the pies on KB because the Pies have us for pure leg speed and we were not fully wound up fitness wise (though nor were the Pies it must be said).

So if i was to pick one thing we need to replicate from the KB match on Thursday night it would be our brilliant all team defence and defensive system. 

We worked really hard to deny them time and space. We did this by:

  • working really hard to get players into the corridor and take that option away (and as the game wore on pick off their efforts to go thru the corridor)
  • working really hard to cover switches
  • compressing the ground and creating density by having our defenders push up
  • creating frontal pressure and having players run hard at the Pies ball carrier.

That latter element is critical because it gives them no space ahead of the ball carrier, making it really hard to run and carry forward (ie the way rivers has been playing in the back of the half of the season ie receive the ball, run and carry for 15-20 meters and launch, or even better hit a target in a dangerous spot).   

But it is a system that has to be spot on because when a player runs at the ball carrier to shut down their space, another dees player has to work hard to cover off the Pies player left free. And when they do so, space is created behind that player which also has to be covered. 

That is a very sophisticated, complex defensive system that requires a commitment from all players to do the defensive gut running it demands, great synergy and 100% confidence in your  teammates to do their job (not to mention elite fitness).

Get that wrong and the Pies just tic tac it down the ground. And that's how they carve teams up on transition, particularly any team that hasn't got their all team defensive system sorted. 

Our brilliant all team defence and defensive system on KB meant the Pies could never get the game looking like a 'Pies game'.

It also allowed us to control the tempo of the match  and frustrate the Pies because you could see they wanted to get the ball moving and we constantly stopped them from doing so.

It also meant the game was very much played on our terms and in a way that played to our strengths. That is the art of coaching - negate the oppo's strengths and maximize your teams' strengths.

I think there are two big difference between the KB and QF:

  • we are now in our optimal shape and will run out the game
  • i don't think the pies are in optimal shape and are struggling to run out games - they look so similar to us last season

If i'm right the Pies running power won't be the advantage it would have been if we had played them in say round four. 

When at their best the Pies have blitzed teams in the first quarter with speed from the back half, set up a fast game, then idle in the second and third quarters before using their superior fitness and leg speed and drop the hammer to blitz tiring teams in the last quarter. The KB was a mild version of this approach - they were on top the first 10 mins the last 10 mins of the game.

But they haven't been able to implement that method since the bye, and my theory is that is because they are running out of gas - as reflected by the fact they are no longer outscoring opponents in the last q, unlike the dees who have the best 4th quarter record in the AFL over the season and the last 6 weeks. 

But even though their running power is less a threat, i'm sure we will look to employ similar tactics in the fist half as we did on KB in terms of our all team defensive structure, denying them time and space and controlling the tempo.

And of course we will also look to cover the receiver to stymie their efforts to chain out from stoppages and contests (eg cover Sidebottom and pendles).

I say the first half, because my tip is the Pies will try do what we did late last season (i think because we knew we didn't have the run in the legs) - come out hard, play fast ball in motion footy, try to a get match winning lead and hang on for dear life.

So, i could see us stymie their ability to get the game on their terms in the first half, hold through 20 mins or so of the third quarter, and then, using our fitness advantage, do what we did to such devastating effect in the 2021 finals - drop the hammer and make it a fast transition game where we start taking more risks, use the corridor more and run in waves to create free players ahead of the ball.

Put the acid on the pies to go with us. 

Bang, bang, bang.

I cant see the Pies winning if they do not have at least a three goal lead at half time as we will run out the game better and roll over them. 

Great analysis

However we must kick goals from our opportunities 

Its a major weakness Goal s from inside 50s

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Not a bad article from Howe in The Age:

“I think the clubs, Melbourne and Collingwood, both got what they wanted. I wasn’t performing, I wasn’t enjoying my footy, and if I tried to stick it out, I don’t reckon I would have enjoyed it. There was a contract on the table, but I decided I needed a fresh start. I didn’t have to go too far – I shared the same carpark.”

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33 minutes ago, TheWiz said:

Not a bad article from Howe in The Age:

“I think the clubs, Melbourne and Collingwood, both got what they wanted. I wasn’t performing, I wasn’t enjoying my footy, and if I tried to stick it out, I don’t reckon I would have enjoyed it. There was a contract on the table, but I decided I needed a fresh start. I didn’t have to go too far – I shared the same carpark.”

He was performing, he was just having a sook about being a defender. He wanted the limelight of a forward, but Paul Roos knew he was a defender. Howey thought he'd jump ship and win a flag with the Pies as a forward, and take swipes as our club along the way. The club who plucked him from a life of being a tradie in Tassie no less.

Ungrateful [censored]. Hope he never sees success.

 

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1 hour ago, rjay said:

Hope they are lip-synching or it's not going to end well...

Another example of late middle aged white men re-living their past with a mediocre act that doesn't cut it vocally or in the daytime in an arena with no atmoshpere for this type of act.

Will be poorly compared with Robbie Willams efforts last year.

Just an annual joke.  I'll be downstaris buying a pie.

 

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11 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

He was performing, he was just having a sook about being a defender. He wanted the limelight of a forward, but Paul Roos knew he was a defender. Howey thought he'd jump ship and win a flag with the Pies as a forward, and take swipes as our club along the way. The club who plucked him from a life of being a tradie in Tassie no less.

Ungrateful [censored]. Hope he never sees success.

 

And no mention of THAT premiership lost opportunity.

Don't tell me he doesn't lie awake at night regretting his loss.

 

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52 minutes ago, TheWiz said:

Not a bad article from Howe in The Age:

“I think the clubs, Melbourne and Collingwood, both got what they wanted. I wasn’t performing, I wasn’t enjoying my footy, and if I tried to stick it out, I don’t reckon I would have enjoyed it. There was a contract on the table, but I decided I needed a fresh start. I didn’t have to go too far – I shared the same carpark.”

Yeah not too bad. Can you send it to me 7 years ago?

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B: Harrison Wigg (SA) Ed Vickers-Willis (VM) Josh McGuinness (Tas)
HB: Darcy Tucker (VC) Caleb Marchbank (VC) Angus Brayshaw (VM)
C: Paul Ahern (VM) Christian Petracca (VM) Billy Stretch (SA)
HF: Callum Mills (NSW/ACT) Darcy Moore (VM) Rhys Mathieson (VC)
F: Jayden Laverde (VM) Patrick McCartin (VC) Caleb Daniel (SA)
Foll: Peter Wright (VM) Isaac Heeney (NSW/ACT) Jake Johansen (SA)
Int: Jack Steele (NSW/ACT) Darcy Parish (VC) Ben Keays (Qld)
  Connor Blakely (WA)    
Coach: Jason Saddington (NSW/ACT), assistant Brenton Phillips (SA)

 

Above is the AA Team from the 2014 Under 18 comp.

Brayshaw at half back - like now,  Trac (Larke medal winner) next to Darcy Moore.

I looked at this after reading Braydon Maynard's interview this morning and noted also he played in the metro team and with Langdon and Brayshaw at Sandy Dragons. Fascinating, and how did THAT Caleb Marchbank get selected!?

The point is watching how Maynard pushed Cox away from Dees players after KB game after Trac had gone after him over something, these players have long standing relationships.   Interesting journeys by all.

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19 hours ago, beelzebub said:

Would love to see a banner that read ...

WE'RE DEMONS, YOUR WORST NIGHTMARE. 

WE COME FROM HELL AND WE'RE TAKING YOU THERE !!!

One day in September

You won't want to remember.

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58 minutes ago, Demon17 said:

Another example of late middle aged white men re-living their past with a mediocre act that doesn't cut it vocally or in the daytime in an arena with no atmoshpere for this type of act.

Will be poorly compared with Robbie Willams efforts last year.

Just an annual joke.  I'll be downstaris buying a pie.

 

...are you addressing me here 'Demon17'?

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Coulda, Shoulda, Woulda got DEEP PURPLE Pumping out Smoke on the Water et al! Now, there is a magnificent live show! Seen them 15 times starting with Sunbury!

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20 minutes ago, hells bells said:

Does anyone know how well Collingwood have gone this year in wet weather games?  I can't recall too many wet games for them, but maybe due to ignorance.  

I read somewhere today that they haven't played a wet weather game all season. No idea if that's accurate and CBF fact checking. But happy to run with it. 

Also this is my first post on Demonland - hello!

[Edit]: If it's true that the filth haven't played a wet weather game this year - I think that bodes well for us, regardless of our W/L record in greasy conditions this year. When there are tired bodies at the start of the 4th quarter and our bulls are continuing to throw their weight around - the cream will rise to the top

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15 minutes ago, FreedFromKysaiah said:

I read somewhere today that they haven't played a wet weather game all season. No idea if that's accurate and CBF fact checking. But happy to run with it. 

Also this is my first post on Demonland - hello!

I wonder how well their game style will stand up in very wet conditions.  Handballing through the middle, under pressure in slippery conditions is pretty high risk.

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