PREGAME: QF vs Collingwood

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,534]

1 hour ago, binman said:

Tell the pies tragic that that may be the story the pies are leaking out to the nuffies.

But the real reason they picked the Thursday night (which i think is true actually) is they know they are going to get beaten and are desperate to get as much time as possible between the loss and the semi final against the blues - which will surely be Friday week.

I'm pretty sure I've heard or seen something official from the AFL that the decision was made that the Thursday night slot was always going to be given to the team finishing top as a "reward" for finishing first so as to give them the longest break should they lose their first final and need to play the following week. What I don't know is whether that's a bit of post-facto rationalisation once the AFL knew that Collingwood was going to finish first.

To be fair, it's a logical decision.

[Chook 14,628]

2 hours ago, Demonland said:

The following Demons players are out of the Casey side to play the Bulldogs on Saturday given that there is only 5 days from the Casey Final until the Dees Final on Thursday.

OUT: L. Dunstan (knee), B. Grundy, J. Jordon, T. McDonald, J. Schache, C. Spargo, T. Woewodin (AFL)

RIP Casey's finals chances but there are bigger fish to fry.

[Chook 14,628]

2 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

I'm pretty sure I've heard or seen something official from the AFL that the decision was made that the Thursday night slot was always going to be given to the team finishing top as a "reward" for finishing first so as to give them the longest break should they lose their first final and need to play the following week. What I don't know is whether that's a bit of post-facto rationalisation once the AFL knew that Collingwood was going to finish first.

To be fair, it's a logical decision.

This is what I heard too and think it's more likely than the "choice" rumour.

[Bring-Back-Powell 13,511]

44 minutes ago, M_9 said:

Played golf today with a Pies insider. If Murphy plays he’ll be far from fit. Struggled to train last night. Glut issue. Will play on Fritta if he gets through training on Sunday.

That's good news if true.

I've been impressed with Murphy's year. If he's only half fit, that can only be a positive.

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6 minutes ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

I'm pretty sure I've heard or seen something official from the AFL that the decision was made that the Thursday night slot was always going to be given to the team finishing top as a "reward" for finishing first so as to give them the longest break should they lose their first final and need to play the following week. What I don't know is whether that's a bit of post-facto rationalisation once the AFL knew that Collingwood was going to finish first.

To be fair, it's a logical decision.

Interesting that the last two years, the minor premiers in Geelong and Melbourne got the Saturday week 1 game. 

[binman 39,215]

23 minutes ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

That's good news if true.

I've been impressed with Murphy's year. If he's only half fit, that can only be a positive.

Murphy is super important to their system i reckon.

The Pies have a similar advantage as us over the rest of the comp.

Most teams have only one elite intercept defender - but we have two in May and Lever, and Petty too when he was down back. I'm sure a big factor in Disco getting selected (and i think he'll hold his spot) is he is also an excellent interceptor. 

Which means that teams can't focus on shutting down the one elite intercepting defender the way they can with say Andrews at the Lions or Allir at Port. 

The Pies have three elite intercepting defenders - Moore, Murphy and Quaynor. 

Intercept in the back half is critical to our game plan, but i'd argue event more important for the Pies as their whole game plan is based on fast transition from the back half, and that method is reliant on intercepts. 

Moore is coming back from a hammy, so at the very least he would have been off legs for a bit so his running power might be off.

If Quaynor plays on Koz, as he has done the last couple of times we've played them, Koz might play out of the square as he did last week, which negates the impact of any intercepts by Quaynor (becuase they are not up on the half back flank).

Which means Murphy becomes even more important to them. Fingers crossed he is a non starter.   

[ElDiablo14 3,605]

1 hour ago, binman said:

Murphy is super important to their system i reckon.

The Pies have a similar advantage as us over the rest of the comp.

Most teams have only one elite intercept defender - but we have two in May and Lever, and Petty too when he was down back. I'm sure a big factor in Disco getting selected (and i think he'll hold his spot) is he is also an excellent interceptor. 

Which means that teams can't focus on shutting down the one elite intercepting defender the way they can with say Andrews at the Lions or Allir at Port. 

The Pies have three elite intercepting defenders - Moore, Murphy and Quaynor. 

Intercept in the back half is critical to our game plan, but i'd argue event more important for the Pies as their whole game plan is based on fast transition from the back half, and that method is reliant on intercepts. 

Moore is coming back from a hammy, so at the very least he would have been off legs for a bit so his running power might be off.

If Quaynor plays on Koz, as he has done the last couple of times we've played them, Koz might play out of the square as he did last week, which negates the impact of any intercepts by Quaynor (becuase they are not up on the half back flank).

Which means Murphy becomes even more important to them. Fingers crossed he is a non starter.   

Binman

What's the single most important thing we need to replicate from the KB match?

As I have expressed before in another post, the pressure at the source of Collingwood's transition game is key, in my view (see McVee,Salem and Lever).

We must win the territory contest at all cost!

[Demonstone 19,808]

22 minutes ago, ElDiablo14 said:

What's the single most important thing we need to replicate from the KB match?

Victory!

[Roost it far 6,278]

36 minutes ago, ElDiablo14 said:

Binman

What's the single most important thing we need to replicate from the KB match?

As I have expressed before in another post, the pressure at the source of Collingwood's transition game is key, in my view (see McVee,Salem and Lever).

We must win the territory contest at all cost!

We shut down their run by beating them at contest and blocking the corridor. This had a 2 fold affect. They played the boundary more and when they did go corridor or we intercepted anywhere we had players on through the middle. It was glorious in its simplicity and execution.

I'm sure Binman can put that into twice as many words and throw in some supporting stats :)

Edited September 1, 2023 by Roost it far

[jnrmac 19,408]

36 minutes ago, ElDiablo14 said:

Binman

What's the single most important thing we need to replicate from the KB match?

As I have expressed before in another post, the pressure at the source of Collingwood's transition game is key, in my view (see McVee,Salem and Lever).

We must win the territory contest at all cost!

we need to fix the goal kicking. 6g 10b from set shots. 4 posters!

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35 minutes ago, ElDiablo14 said:

Binman

What's the single most important thing we need to replicate from the KB match?

As I have expressed before in another post, the pressure at the source of Collingwood's transition game is key, in my view (see McVee,Salem and Lever).

We must win the territory contest at all cost!

Deny them the footy, they love the turnover and run in numbers of the back of them. 

[Bombay Airconditioning 5,999]

I want our team to physically hurt them early, set the tone for the night.

[Jaded No More 59,538]

8 minutes ago, Bombay Airconditioning said:

I want our team to physically hurt them early, set the tone for the night.

Jack Viney make them cry 2.0 

[Binmans PA 26,592]

3 hours ago, M_9 said:

Played golf today with a Pies insider. If Murphy plays he’ll be far from fit. Struggled to train last night. Glut issue. Will play on Fritta if he gets through training on Sunday.

Sounds like they're laying the groundwork for a loss...

[Deemania since 56 6,281]

3 hours ago, M_9 said:

NFI. Played with Murph snr.

I noticed on the Ch7 item of the Filth training on the 'G today that in what was supposed to be a burst run-through by Moore, he looked slow, slower than desirable for a clearing backman; he also restricted the length of his running gait, not bringing the leg all the way forward and thus, not stretching the hamstring as it normally would be utilised. Get him to run at full pace, early, Dees - he'll get subbed if he makes the team. 

[Deemania since 56 6,281]

12 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

Jack Viney make them cry 2.0 

Jack and Sparrow, hit men right in the two-way guts. May is overdue for some maiming, as well. Just call it 'mongrel' - even Kozzie can dish it out and Chandler could try a few moments of close contact.

[Willmoy1947 3,825]

13 minutes ago, Deemania since 56 said:

Jack and Sparrow, hit men right in the two-way guts. May is overdue for some maiming, as well. Just call it 'mongrel' - even Kozzie can dish it out and Chandler could try a few moments of close contact.

Your an ornery (old) bugger DS 56

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2 hours ago, binman said:

Murphy is super important to their system i reckon.

The Pies have a similar advantage as us over the rest of the comp.

Most teams have only one elite intercept defender - but we have two in May and Lever, and Petty too when he was down back. I'm sure a big factor in Disco getting selected (and i think he'll hold his spot) is he is also an excellent interceptor. 

Which means that teams can't focus on shutting down the one elite intercepting defender the way they can with say Andrews at the Lions or Allir at Port. 

The Pies have three elite intercepting defenders - Moore, Murphy and Quaynor. 

Intercept in the back half is critical to our game plan, but i'd argue event more important for the Pies as their whole game plan is based on fast transition from the back half, and that method is reliant on intercepts. 

Moore is coming back from a hammy, so at the very least he would have been off legs for a bit so his running power might be off.

If Quaynor plays on Koz, as he has done the last couple of times we've played them, Koz might play out of the square as he did last week, which negates the impact of any intercepts by Quaynor (becuase they are not up on the half back flank).

Which means Murphy becomes even more important to them. Fingers crossed he is a non starter.   

I'd argue Howe is an elite interceptor too and Maynard goes alright, but agree with your first three selections, Boss. 

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2 minutes ago, Binmans PA said:

I'd argue Howe is an elite interceptor too and Maynard goes alright, but agree with your first three selections, Boss. 

Their backline is full of great interceptors and runners. But can any of them defend one on one under pressure? 

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3 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

Their backline is full of great interceptors and runners. But can any of them defend one on one under pressure? 

Quaynor can. 

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1 minute ago, Binmans PA said:

Quaynor can. 

True but he’s susceptible closer to goal. Hope Kosi plays out of the goal square and goes flying. 

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2 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

True but he’s susceptible closer to goal. Hope Kosi plays out of the goal square and goes flying. 

I haven't noticed this. I've noticed this line of thought that he's susceptible close to goal, come up a bit recently though. I hope so. He's a very good player. I'd back Koz to get a few on anyone if he plays deep though.

Edited September 1, 2023 by Binmans PA

[Jaded No More 59,538]

2 minutes ago, Binmans PA said:

I haven't noticed this. I've noticed this line of thought that he's susceptible close to goal, come up a bit recently though. I hope so. He's a very good player. I'd back Koz to get a few on anyone if he plays deep though.

He really lowered his colours to Charlie Cameron, which to be fair is not that unusual. Cameron is an insanely good player. But he plays very close to goal and that helped. Also helped they were without Moore for that game.

Either way Kosi close to goal is the stuff of nightmares for defenders. 
 

On the other side, so is Elliot who didn’t play on KB but has a long tradition of tearing us apart. Hibbo has to come into consideration for mine, although I cannot tell you who comes out of that backline to make way unless we drop Turner and go small. 

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6 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

On the other side, so is Elliot who didn’t play on KB but has a long tradition of tearing us apart. Hibbo has to come into consideration for mine, although I cannot tell you who comes out of that backline to make way unless we drop Turner and go small. 

McVee...?

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8 minutes ago, Binmans PA said:

McVee...?

Elliot is very strong. I worry McVee doesn’t have the body strength. I would think McVee takes Ginnivin