GAMEDAY: Rd 12 vs Carlton

[beelzebub 23,380]

2 hours ago, Redleg said:

Tells you where the Coach thinks BBB is at and he is probably not wrong.

We finally did it....we Melburnised him.

[BangBnagBang 695]

1 hour ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

Makes me wonder...has Smith been picked to be an attacking player or to use his defensive experience in an effort to curb Weitering's influence?

Both, something that BBB cant do.

[FireInTheBennelly 4,072]

1 hour ago, layzie said:

"That boy needs therapy, psychosomatic, that boy needs therapy.."

What does that mean?

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You know it’s gonna be a loooonnnggg GameDay when we start talking about [censored] like coffee and the Lion King. 😂

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3 minutes ago, FireInTheBennelly said:

What does that mean?

Lyrics from a song by a very much underrated Australian band called The Avalanches. 

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1 hour ago, layzie said:

"That boy needs therapy, psychosomatic, that boy needs therapy.."

“He’s crazy in the coconut”

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6 minutes ago, FireInTheBennelly said:

What does that mean?

 

1 minute ago, WalkingCivilWar said:

Lyrics from a song by a very much underrated Australian band called The Avalanches. 

Just realised you clearly know the song since you just quoted a line from it. Or was that a coincidence?

[YearOfTheDees 3,266]

7 minutes ago, FireInTheBennelly said:

What does that mean?

Following this team has made me crazy in the coconut!

[jnrmac 20,104]

43 minutes ago, old dee said:

Not sure I agree with you Smith's big problem as we all know is his body. It Simply cannot withstand the pressure of AFL football. 

Smith is not a defender against the Charlie Cameron's of this world.

He is better if we play him fwd.

[FireInTheBennelly 4,072]

8 minutes ago, WalkingCivilWar said:

 

Just realised you clearly know the song since you just quoted a line from it. Or was that a coincidence?

No coincidence WCW.

Great song!

[binman 43,131]

16 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

Smith is not a defender against the Charlie Cameron's of this world.

He is better if we play him fwd.

Agree.

Much better fit for his strengths, and perhaps more importantly his weaknesses.

I suspect his number one kpi tonight will be, if we cant mark a high ball inside 50 it comes to ground.

I also suspect they'll use him in the tmac role of getting up the ground to provide a marking option from kicks to half back from deep in our defence and lead up option on the wing. 

[whatwhat say what 22,783]

35 minutes ago, WalkingCivilWar said:

“He’s crazy in the coconut”

i think i need to lie down on the couch

[Red and Blue realist 2,051]

54 minutes ago, poita said:

The backline looks better balanced this weekend, and the midfield slightly stronger as well. 

But imagine being an AFL coach and thinking that you can challenge for a premiership with a forward line consisting of Gawn, Van Rooyen and Smith as the marking targets. The lack of forward craft in those three is astounding, although clearly Van Rooyen will be a good player in time with more strength and experience. 

And then you have Chandler and Spargo contributing stuff all between them at the moment.

 

I think it will show the intent from the outset will be to drag TDK as their only ruck or Slivagni into our forward line, making Weithering cover the taller player while hopefully creating a mismatch with JVR or even Smith. Hopefully never getting out marked. In our wins Gawn and Grundy have kicked a combined 12 goals, while they only have 2 in the losses. 

[SPC 3,551]

I am normally pretty level with emotions and perspective, but have probably had more ups and downs the last few weeks. My view is that we are slow to address areas of concern and back our system- when I think we should be adapting to trends that are unfolding in the game..

All that aside, I am going to try and put my positive hat on.. 

Dees to win tonight, start to build form and upset the Pies next week. Joel Smith to finally get his body right and build a block of form over 6 weeks to prove he belongs. Back talls to click and again establish themselves as the best defensive unit in the comp. 
Hopefully positivity brings positive results!!

[jnrmac 20,104]

6 minutes ago, Red and Blue realist said:

I think it will show the intent from the outset will be to drag TDK as their only ruck or Slivagni into our forward line, making Weithering cover the taller player while hopefully creating a mismatch with JVR or even Smith. Hopefully never getting out marked. In our wins Gawn and Grundy have kicked a combined 12 goals, while they only have 2 in the losses. 

Silvagni has a surprisingly good record against us. I recall he kicked 3 against us recently when playing ruck/fwd.

Setterfield, Docherty also seem to play well against us,.

[Newport34 380]

2 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

Silvagni has a surprisingly good record against us. I recall he kicked 3 against us recently when playing ruck/fwd.

Setterfield, Docherty also seem to play well against us,.

My thoughts exactly when I saw his name on the Carlton IN’s

[Newport34 380]

18 minutes ago, binman said:

Agree.

Much better fit for his strengths, and perhaps more importantly his weaknesses.

I suspect his number one kpi tonight will be, if we cant mark a high ball inside 50 it comes to ground.

I also suspect they'll use him in the tmac role of getting up the ground to provide a marking option from kicks to half back from deep in our defence and lead up option on the wing. 

I can see JVR drawing two defenders and Smith flying in front of the pack taking marks. 

[old dee 23,799]

32 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

Smith is not a defender against the Charlie Cameron's of this world.

He is better if we play him fwd.

Agree and I think that is where he will play tonight. The bun is not a forward he is a ruckman and a good one but expecting him to regularly kick goals is pushing the envelope. That leaves us tonight with one tall forward in JVR a kid with a handful of games who has done nothing the last month mainly IMO because he has no support. I hope Smith can give him that tonight. It would appear Schache pass has already been stamped, Tmac it would appear has been playing injured and now out for surgery. Brown is in the wilderness and seems to have lost form/ support from the FD is he playing injured too?  Our tall forward options it would appear are Smith and JVR. I find it difficult to believe that duo can take us to a GF this year. 

[Whispering_Jack 30,236]

6 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

Silvagni has a surprisingly good record against us. I recall he kicked 3 against us recently when playing ruck/fwd.

Setterfield, Docherty also seem to play well against us,.

Setterfield can do what he likes tonight. Now plays for Essendon.

[Kent 2,912]

1 hour ago, old dee said:

Not sure I agree with you Smith's big problem as we all know is his body. It Simply cannot withstand the pressure of AFL football. 

I have never seen Joel play and acceptable game

Has anybody else seen one?

 

[Kent 2,912]

10 minutes ago, Newport34 said:

I can see JVR drawing two defenders and Smith flying in front of the pack taking marks. 

we would be a better chance if we sopped bombing it in indiscriminately

[Bring-Back-Powell 14,857]

23 minutes ago, Red and Blue realist said:

I think it will show the intent from the outset will be to drag TDK as their only ruck or Slivagni into our forward line, making Weithering cover the taller player while hopefully creating a mismatch with JVR or even Smith. Hopefully never getting out marked. In our wins Gawn and Grundy have kicked a combined 12 goals, while they only have 2 in the losses. 

Very interesting stat re: Gawn and Grundy.

Against Gold Coast they combined for 4 and sure enough we won.

 

[beelzebub 23,380]

1 hour ago, Demonsterative said:

Agree WJ. This means a game plan that matches our first 3 to 5 matches this year. Run, carry and/or 30 meter passes to a free man. Forward fast ball movement. Chandler and Spargo were influential.

Whatever did happen to that game style 🤔🤔🤷🤷🤷

I miss that 🥴🥴🥴

[Deespicable 2,726]

It's hard not to be fearful of what might happen in this game.

Clearly, based on the Blues recent tales of self-destruction, we win easily. Cripps seems injured (slower than normal), Harry has the yips and Charlie is finding the burden of being the No.1 player in the game (Robbo's view) hard to live up to. Add in the injuries and it's hard not to back us and just about every tipster in the country is.

But those who remember Joe Daniher destroying us on a couple of occasions (and losing the plot in a  couple of others) know that this could be the night when Harry converts his first on Tomlinson and gets on a roll. Given we aren't playing hard tags (Harmes is out of favour) it could also be the night that Cripps gets rolling (unless Sparrow has a blinder on him). And it's not as if their injuries are key omissions - their six out are all depth players replaced by in-form VFL depth players. Their midfield core of Walsh, Cerra and Cripps are all playing so Charlie may have enough supply, while Saad and Docherty are still in to provide run and Weitering, McGovern and Young good enough to quell our key forwards.

What worries me most is that, under Goody, we continue to play four small forwards and with no major height through the middle aside from Trac, we get picked off whenever we try switchbacks from our left-side defensive forays.

I don't understand how we can continue to play four small forwards - we are the only side doing it and aside from a few magic forays from Kozzie and the early form of Chandler, the benefits of the structure are non-existent. And the goals have dried up recently. Chandler has kicked one goal in his past three, ANB one in the past four and Spargo nine for the year.

It's not as if they are smalls that take the odd surprise mark or are that we get benefits from their tackles. Yes they all work their butt off but who would you rather tackle you - Beau McCreery, Sam Powell-Pepper, Zac Bailey or Chandler, Spargo and ANB. Which is not to say that our trio don't work their butts off - it just that at 175c, 172cm, 182cm plus Kozzie at 171cm our small forwards aren't intimidating. And that is one of the major reasons why we have absolutely no chance against Collingwood, although Carlton's current propensity to self-destruct should enable us to get through tonight.   

[Little Goffy 14,581]

2 hours ago, layzie said:

"That boy needs therapy, psychosomatic, that boy needs therapy.."

 

1 hour ago, FireInTheBennelly said:

What does that mean?

Now I'm worried this game is going to umpired by a man with a golden eyeball.