POSTGAME: Rd 09 vs Hawthorn

[Rab D Nesbitt 8,629]

Did well to get out of that one with the 4 points. Hawks were on fire there for three and a half minutes. 
 

If Al-Qaeda were ever to plan anything it would be at half time in Hawthorn’s emergency services game. 
 

 

[Hawny for Gawny 461]

10 minutes ago, leave it to deever said:

Was it a 200% win? Isn't that a 100 point win?

Double their score equates to 200%

[bush demon 2,120]

36 minutes ago, dees189227 said:

Petracca hobbling. Hope he's ok. Didn't look great. I notice he's being interviewed on fox. What's he saying?

Out of Trac's gob: he is ok.

[Straight Sets Simon 23,113]

Hibberd is a top-five most important player for us, needs to be protected at all costs.

[Buzzy 992]

6 minutes ago, Maldonboy38 said:

Very frustrating watching such a great list of players fumble, make poor choices, handball to team mate's feet, and get beaten at the ground ball game. I simply don't get it.

Kayo ought to be flogged for the reliability of their product.

Trac, Oliver and Viney were all immense AND flawed. 

Rivers and ANB were brilliant in the last quarter.

Fritsch looks half-hearted too often. 

If Sparrow and Jordon are fighting for the same place in the 22, tonight's game suggests Jordon gets the chocolates. Sparrow's work rate was good, but his effectiveness and clumsiness were poor. 

Pushing in the back in marking contests is now legal again. Both teams did it all night.

Why do I feel so frustrated after a 10 goal win? It might be time to lower my expectations because the last 3 games have done my head in.

 

It's not like it's unusual for us to play this sloppily.   Our core midfield have always been and will always be messy kicks of the footy, and the last few weeks of handballing has been dire to boot.  

Agree re pushing in the back.  Can't understand why they got rid of the hands in the back rule, I thought it was effective and easy to umpire.

I don't think they will swap Sparrow for Jordan... Jordan isn't dynamic or powerful enough and they like that in the midfield.  The worry is we've had no new young midfielders coming through for a few years now.

[Deemania since 56 6,738]

28 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

God damn Hawthorn. Good for nothing useless football club. Relegate them. 

Hawthorn were dull, but interesting as well. They are obviously a young team lacking experience at the level across the board; however, in the third quarter they came out to put into action what they had learned (against the Dees) from the first half of the game. It proved effective and they did rally but were unable to sustain the effort against the Dees' pressure and inbuilt alternatives across the ground. Nice to get the percentages, nice to get the four points.

[Adam The God 30,542]

18 minutes ago, Gawndy the Great said:

It was evident today we are being out hunted in the contest. Whilst we dominated, a better side would have punished us more. 

Port will give us an honest assessment of where we are and we rate against the top 4-6. 

How do you figure that? We won CP +14.

We've turned ourselves into a team that can win multiple ways. We win on turnover.  Check out the thread on it. 

[GBDee 364]

9 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

He looks injured to me. Kept grabbing his calf. He was off the ground for quite a bit and was in the square more than usual.

Clearly pushing thru something @WalkingCivilWar isn’t he?

With about 3 minutes to go in the 4th Fritta made a half-hearted challenge inside 50 and I was cursing him - they broke away but coughed it straight back and 20 seconds later Fritta pops up with the classy finish from Petracca’s handball. Kinda sums him up.

[leave it to deever 17,564]

7 minutes ago, Hawny for Gawny said:

Double their score equates to 200%

I was thinking we beat them by 100% of their score ie the full 50 points ergo 200% would be a 100 point win. Isn't % a fraction?

[Maldonboy38 6,406]

13 minutes ago, Bang Bang Bang said:

I like your honesty. I’d just say that there will come a time when we are dreadful again. Enjoy it while it lasts.

By the way, the 90 point win did your head in? Didn’t take me long to find Steven May’s alias. 

Happy with 90 points. Happy with 54 points. Happy seeing us win regularly and well.

What does my head in is unpressured sloppiness from a skilful list. Trac Viney Kozzie & Sparrow often fumble at their feet and over run the ball. Now Fritsch is doing it as well. And when we do pick it up our handballing is full of errors. Some are pressured, but many are not.

[binman 44,218]

34 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

An uninspiring game and we move on.

Did we learn much about the forward line

We need another tall. 

From comments by goody it sounds like BB is a ways of being in the right shape.

Probably explains why tmac was an emergency to cover JVR if needed. 

And I'm not convinced tmac is in optimal shape either.

I could imagine them bringing Smith in.

I've always thought playing forward is the best role to best take advantage of his strengths.

His athleticism, speed off the mark and leap means he is well placed to bring the ball to ground in marking contests and win ground balls.

And he has good hands and is a really good set shot, including from distance. 

Playing forward also mitigates his weaknesses, that conversely were exposed down back, in particular his sometimes questionable footy iq and shaky defensive skills.

But down forward he is a bit freer to just go for it and fly for everything.

Maybe they bring Smith in and give tmac and bb another few weeks, inclusive of the bye, to get cherry ripe for the back end of the season.

[Guest]

26 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

He looks injured to me. Kept grabbing his calf. He was off the ground for quite a bit and was in the square more than usual.

Clearly pushing thru something @WalkingCivilWar isn’t he?

He is. I can’t say anything more. 

[Bitter but optimistic 22,289]

1 minute ago, binman said:

We need another tall. 

From comments by goody it sounds like BB is a ways of being in the right shape.

Probably explains why tmac was an emergency to cover JVR if needed. 

And I'm not convinced tmac is in optimal shape either.

I could imagine them bringing Smith in.

I've always thought playing forward is the best role to best take advantage of his strengths.

His athleticism, speed off the mark and leap means he is well placed to bring the ball to ground in marking contests and win ground balls.

And he has good hands and is a really good set shot, including from distance. 

Playing forward also mitigates his weaknesses, that conversely were exposed down back, in particular his sometimes questionable footy iq and shaky defensive skills.

But down forward he is a bit freer to just go for it and fly for everything.

Maybe they bring Smith in and give tmac and bb another few weeks, inclusive of the bye, to get cherry ripe for the back end of the season.

Not sure about this bin.

Petty looked to be finding his feet unit injured.

I thought JVR looked good. Competed well . Move up the ground. Really competed well - is improving.

Gawn or Grundy playing forward.

Can't have another

[binman 44,218]

20 minutes ago, Clint Bizkit said:

Hibberd is a top-five most important player for us, needs to be protected at all costs.

He was awesome today.

[Demonstone 23,125]

11 minutes ago, leave it to deever said:

I was thinking we beat them by 100% of their score ie the full 50 points ergo 200% would be a 100 point win. Isn't % a fraction?

In round figures, our percentage today was 200% and Hawthorn's was 50%.

We doubled their score plus change.

[Dee-monic 620]

I understand the frustration expressed by some posters with aspects of Fritsch's game, but his main job is to open up opposing defences and score goals ---- and he has achieved that consistently. He is excellent at finding space inside 50, has taken some good marks against bigger-bodied defenders and is usually an accurate goal-kicker. We certainly don't have a superior replacement outside our current best 22.

[binman 44,218]

4 minutes ago, Bitter but optimistic said:

Not sure about this bin.

Petty looked to be finding his feet unit injured.

I thought JVR looked good. Competed well . Move up the ground. Really competed well - is improving.

Gawn or Grundy playing forward.

Can't have another

I know goody said that petty will be playing forward for the next few weeks, but I think he'll ultimately go back. 

Edited May 13, 2023 by binman

[Hawny for Gawny 461]

13 minutes ago, leave it to deever said:

I was thinking we beat them by 100% of their score ie the full 50 points ergo 200% would be a 100 point win. Isn't % a fraction?

our score divided by there score. Pts for / pts against

[Hawny for Gawny 461]

1 minute ago, binman said:

I know goody said that petty will be playing forward for the next few weeks, but I think he'll ultimately go back. 

Im fine with petty up forward if they don't think there is a better option but I agree that in the long run Petty has more value to us downback

[Bitter but optimistic 22,289]

2 minutes ago, binman said:

I know goody said that petty will be playing forward for the next few weeks, but I think he'll ultimately go back. 

Seems odd bin. I reckon Petty took more ( I don't know the stats) marks in that half he played than any other forward this year.

[Redlagged 813]

27 minutes ago, Clint Bizkit said:

Hibberd is a top-five most important player for us, needs to be protected at all costs.

Agree. Class player. Skilful. Tough. Smart. Rarely makes mistakes. Very underrated.

[BrisbaneDemon 1,574]

Midfield dominance seems an issue, we can’t seem to get our hands on the ball from two dominant rucks, that was supposed to be our 1 wood.  Maxy seems off after the injury

[layzie 34,151]

33 minutes ago, Demons11 said:

What a bunch of ungrateful supporters.  Of course we are not going to be at our best against the bottom sides, just bank the win and move on.  I love that we can win by 9 goals in 2nd gear.  

Yep, all about taking the wins at this point. Expecting 100 point wins is silly.

[Monbon 1,840]

6 minutes ago, Hawny for Gawny said:

Im fine with petty up forward if they don't think there is a better option but I agree that in the long run Petty has more value to us downback

It's his first contribution for the year...Keep him back, always great there.

[Bitter but optimistic 22,289]

17 minutes ago, WalkingCivilWar said:

He is. I can’t say anything more. 

Seems odd to me

Appeared to be moving ok to me - just out of form.

If he has an injury issue this would have been the perfect game to rest him.