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NON-MFC: Rd 02 2023

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4 hours ago, Lucifers Hero said:

Something is up with Dangerfield.  Last week he played just 62% game time.  Last night he had played just 54% to half time then finished with 70%.  It is too early in the season to be managing his game time, unless they want to [censored] him in the last half like they did last night.

Midfielders usually play around 80-85%.  Dangerfield's numbers are exceptionally low.  Reckon he is injured or extremely unfit. 

While an excellent player he isn't showing much in the way of footy IQ or leadership.  Selwood was such a dominant leader they may have forgotten to groom a successor, altho for a long while it was touted to be Stewart.

With Stewart out and Dangerfield ineffective someone needs to step up and fill the footy IQ and leadership void. but those traits can't really be taught.  Good for the other 17 teams 😀

Cats won't miss the 8 because of the KP advantage but right now it is hard to see them going deep into Sept especially as their losses have been at the G. 

 

Edit:  the censored word is f-l-o-g.  Last time I looked it is a legitimate verb...

I hope it puts 2022 into perspective for us. winning back to back flags is soo hard, the cats from a conditioning stand point look miles away from the teams they've played. i suspect a lot of them are carrying niggles and just don't have the run in their legs yet, they'll get there, but it's really challenging to build the fitness base when the season has started, it's a bit like starting a road trip with 3/4 of a tank. I suspect they'll rotate and manage their players a lot to try to catch up with the pack, which is probably a mistake we made in hindsight, not managing the challenges of that well enough. 

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    As the game gets faster and more and more focused on two way defensive running, the harder it will become to go back to back.
    You need such elite fitness and luck with injuries to be able to sustain premiership winning levels of play for a full season, that having a month less to train makes a huge difference. 
    Not to mention we now have an added round. 

    It takes so much to win a flag, that to do it twice in a row is truly special. You either need a lot of luck or to hit your window at a time where the competition around you is very very mediocre. 
     

     

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    2 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

    As the game gets faster and more and more focused on two way defensive running, the harder it will become to go back to back.
    You need such elite fitness and luck with injuries to be able to sustain premiership winning levels of play for a full season, that having a month less to train makes a huge difference. 
    Not to mention we now have an added round. 

    It takes so much to win a flag, that to do it twice in a row is truly special. You either need a lot of luck or to hit your window at a time where the competition around you is very very mediocre. 
     

     

    Lots of sides do it and will continue so.

    Lions back to back 01 02 and three peat 01 02 03  could easily have gone 4 peat in 04 gainst Port.

    Hawthorn B2B 2013 14 and three peat 13 14 15

    Richmond B2B  2019 20  3 flags in 4 years could have gone 4 peat if Martin hadnt got injured late in 2018.

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    1 minute ago, Deebauched said:

    Lots of sides do it and will continue so.

    Lions back to back 01 02 and three peat 01 02 03  could easily have gone 4 peat in 04 gainst Port.

    Hawthorn B2B 2013 14 and three peat 13 14 15

    Richmond B2B  2019 20  3 flags in 4 years could have gone 4 peat if Martin hadnt got injured late in 2018.

    I did mention that the game is getting more and more about elite fitness and two way running. 
    When Lions and Hawks won their 3 in a row the game was vastly different. It was still an incredible effort, no doubt about it, particularly for the Lions who were an interstate side, but it is certainly more and more difficult these days.  
     

    Richmond did it most recently and had incredible luck with injuries. As you said when they lost Dusty to injury and luck ran out, so did their flag. They were also lucky that there was no other really outstanding team pushing them consistently in those years. 
     

    For me the Lions 3 peat is one of the most remarkable of the modern era. They had a few outstanding competitors in Essendon and Port, and they also had to play away from home to win it. 
     

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    24 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

    I did mention that the game is getting more and more about elite fitness and two way running. 
    When Lions and Hawks won their 3 in a row the game was vastly different. It was still an incredible effort, no doubt about it, particularly for the Lions who were an interstate side, but it is certainly more and more difficult these days.  
     

    Richmond did it most recently and had incredible luck with injuries. As you said when they lost Dusty to injury and luck ran out, so did their flag. They were also lucky that there was no other really outstanding team pushing them consistently in those years. 
     

    For me the Lions 3 peat is one of the most remarkable of the modern era. They had a few outstanding competitors in Essendon and Port, and they also had to play away from home to win it. 
     

    That's right. We're in a time where defensive pressure is the secret sauce, there's no bigger game-changing element in the game right now. Tactics and strategy are up there but rule changes and capped rotations have limited their impact from what they were so this makes elite aerobic and anaerobic running ability even more important.

    Unless something like shortening the games comes in then it's going to stay this way for a while. Because of this I don't think it's ever been harder to go back to back. 

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    On 3/23/2023 at 12:27 PM, titan_uranus said:

    What about Essendon v GC?

    Recency bias would suggest Essendon but they beat a tanking Hawthorn last week and remain pretty shoddy on paper. GC were insipid last week but surely know they have to right the ship pretty quickly to avoid being stuck in their permanent world of irrelevance.

    I have no faith in the GC whatsoever but can easily see them rolling the Dons at Marvel.

    42/43 people in my tipping comp would suggest otherwise.

    GC's lacklustre start to the year praccy game (GWS) and round 1 has largely gone under the radar. Dew can't afford another 6-8 win season.

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    6 hours ago, Demon17 said:

    Missed that but I suspect it was genuine tears of relief. They lose last night and the media drums on Voss'  less than average coaching would have kicked in.

    Credit to Cameron who carried the cats last night. Lucky to have him.

    Last week proved to me the Dees have a defensive system that works (missing May and Salem yet got the job done), whereas Cats rely on actual stars like Stweart and henry.  Too early to write cats off but they look a shadow at the moment, and Blues ?   Not sure yet.  Blues vs Dees and/or Pies will tell.

    Totally, that was absolutely it.

    As for Carlton as a threat, they rely on their two key forwards and Cripps and Walsh.

    Even though we rely heavily on Max, Clarry, Trac, May and Lever, it's the sophistication of our defensive system and organisation in transition that puts us ahead of Carlton.

    As for Collingwood, l'd be interested to see what happens if someone hard tags Daicos. I think they'd struggle to move the ball. We wouldn't tag, we'd just send an ANB or a Harmes to Daicos and try and exploit him/make him accountable the other way.

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    1 hour ago, Deebauched said:

    Lots of sides do it and will continue so.

    Lions back to back 01 02 and three peat 01 02 03  could easily have gone 4 peat in 04 gainst Port.

    Hawthorn B2B 2013 14 and three peat 13 14 15

    Richmond B2B  2019 20  3 flags in 4 years could have gone 4 peat if Martin hadnt got injured late in 2018.

    Don’t agree with this summation at all. Hawks were lucky with the draft and the fact that new teams came in and other teams didn’t have access to draft picks. Richmond was def favoured by early Covid season ..reduced games etc . Brisbane didn’t play in an 18 team comp. Melb has I believe a generational team & is def capable of winning a few but not necessarily back to back . However this is the type of team you have to have to pull off that feat. Geelong were so favoured last year that we were not capable for various reasons to win it. 

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    5 hours ago, Mazer Rackham said:

    I think their team conversion rate last week flattered them and kept them in the game much longer than warranted. They were 16.1 at one point.

    Absolutely. They were ridiculously accurate last week. 
    Delayed the inevitable 

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    1 hour ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

    I have no faith in the GC whatsoever but can easily see them rolling the Dons at Marvel.

    42/43 people in my tipping comp would suggest otherwise.

    GC's lacklustre start to the year praccy game (GWS) and round 1 has largely gone under the radar. Dew can't afford another 6-8 win season.

    I'll think about it.

    As mentioned, I want like anything to tip them but just can't quite do it. 

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    4 minutes ago, Queanbeyan Demon said:

    Anyone more obsessed with the other thread than this one today?

    the other one. hoping some deathriding will improve the mood

    and i'll keep an eye on the other other thread as well

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    3 minutes ago, Queanbeyan Demon said:

    Anyone more obsessed with the other thread than this one today?

    Is there something going on I’ve missed? Maybe something I should be amazingly anxious about?

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    Holding the ball in front of goals is adjudicated very differently depending on the teams. That one to Collingwood was insane.

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    2 minutes ago, The heart beats true said:

    Holding the ball in front of goals is adjudicated very differently depending on the teams. That one to Collingwood was insane.

    Don’t remember seeing us get a free for holding the ball last night. But they missed about 4-5 

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    Just now, DaveyJones'sLocker said:

    Don’t remember seeing us get a free for holding the ball last night. But they missed about 4-5 

    It’s the most frustrating rule. The umpires are so impacted by crowd noise, and far too often the players involved.

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    Pies are a massive umpires favourite.

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    Pies getting a ride in this game.

    Honestly though they have to be favourites for the flag. They are a very good team.

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    2 minutes ago, praha said:

    Pies getting a ride in this game.

    Honestly though they have to be favourites for the flag. They are a very good team.

    Just when you thought the weekend couldn’t get any worse 

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    last 3 pies goals all direct from free kicks 

    port go forward the most blatent front on contact you have ever seen on powell pepper - not given. 

    think i’ll switch off

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