On 22/05/2023 at 22:31, layzie said:

Is there such thing as a 'low grade 1' Webber? I first had this down as hammy tightness because (in my uninformed opinion) if there was even a partial a tear it seems strange to me that he was able to do some running and stretching yesterday. Got no idea now. 

It’s a spectrum of severity obviously layzie, but a tear is a tear. Assuming understanding and compliance from the injured person, any activity that’s pain free, and erring on the side of less stress to the hammy is ok. Regardless of severity however, the healing time, hence time-frame of diminishing risk, remains. None of this is to say that some don’t take the risk, and get through. It’s really about risk management. The Steven May 2021 GF is a great example. They knew that he might make the existing tear worse (whence he’d have 3 months to rehab). He didn’t, as we know, AND played out the game. Was a win, but could’ve been different 

  On 22/05/2023 at 23:45, DeeZone said:

We shouldn’t write off James Jordon or James Harmes or Dunstan from our midfield mix all bigger harder bodies that can rotate with Tracc, Vines, Sparrow, Rivers, Kozzie and Chandler. That would leave Gus half back where he is needed most I am hoping that the coaches mix it up a bit and put a bit of a fire in their belly over the next four weeks. It’s time that the second echelon showed us what they are capable off and give Clarry the necessary time to get his hammy cherry ripe. Opportunity waits for no man.!!!

Agree with Jordon.

In his debut against Fremantle in 2021, he played some minutes inside from memory, played well and kicked a goal. Surprised he only got 15 touches in that game but he's a dependable player that can be assigned a job anywhere.

Will be stunned if he's sub or VFL this week given we have Oliver and Hunter's role to replace.

  On 22/05/2023 at 23:57, Webber said:

It’s a spectrum of severity obviously layzie, but a tear is a tear. Assuming understanding and compliance from the injured person, any activity that’s pain free, and erring on the side of less stress to the hammy is ok. Regardless of severity however, the healing time, hence time-frame of diminishing risk, remains. None of this is to say that some don’t take the risk, and get through. It’s really about risk management. The Steven May 2021 GF is a great example. They knew that he might make the existing tear worse (whence he’d have 3 months to rehab). He didn’t, as we know, AND played out the game. Was a win, but could’ve been different 

Obviously if this weekend was the grand final Oliver would rip out said hamstring off his body and play and win the Norm Smith. But if taking the extra week of the bye off means he’s cherry ripe for the second half of the year leading into finals, then surely the club would do that. 
I know he’s a pain and is probably telling the fitness guy he can play this weekend, but like Viney and Gawn, these guys want to play at any risk to themselves and sometimes it comes back and bites them. 

So the big question is a return for Monday June 12 (Colingwood) or Thursday June 22 (Geelong) - which would be 34 days from the injury. The scheduling means we don't have a traditional type of bye, but three 10 day breaks - (Fri)June 2, (Mon)June 12, (Thu)June 22 and (Sun)July 2.

  On 23/05/2023 at 00:14, Hawk the Demon said:

So the big question is a return for Monday June 12 (Colingwood) or Thursday June 22 (Geelong) - which would be 34 days from the injury. The scheduling means we don't have a traditional type of bye, but three 10 day breaks - (Fri)June 2, (Mon)June 12, (Thu)June 22 and (Sun)July 2.

Those 3 10 day breaks gives us a great opportunity to recover and reset for the back half

  On 22/05/2023 at 23:55, Jaded No More said:

I know he’s our best and most important player, but you’d hate to rush him for the KB game, which is a probable loss  anyway, and have him do a serious injury and miss the rest of the season. Seems not worth it!

If KB is a probable loss, then so is our season. Play the best possible team we have. 

  On 23/05/2023 at 14:32, Mel Bourne said:

If KB is a probable loss, then so is our season. Play the best possible team we have. 

Not so. it’s true that if we lose then top 2 will be over and top 4 way more difficult. But a fit Oliver is THE primary goal here… not just for this year either. when fit and firing we can match it with everyone ( except sadly maybe  not the pies) Oliver fullly healthy should be the only thinking here ….not getting him up fr a game we likely lose anyway. 

  On 23/05/2023 at 14:32, Mel Bourne said:

If KB is a probable loss, then so is our season. Play the best possible team we have. 

If we lose KB we lose nothing. We just need to be at full strength coming into finals. We’ve got a soft draw leading in which works in our favour, as does the 3, 10 day breaks coming up. In fact the fixture is great for us. Just have to get everyone fit for September. 

Edited May 23, 20231 yr by Roost it far

  On 23/05/2023 at 21:32, Wells 11 said:

Not so. it’s true that if we lose then top 2 will be over and top 4 way more difficult. But a fit Oliver is THE primary goal here… not just for this year either. when fit and firing we can match it with everyone ( except sadly maybe  not the pies) Oliver fullly healthy should be the only thinking here ….not getting him up fr a game we likely lose anyway. 

Exactly. Plenty of twists and turns in the back half of the season for all teams, nothing ever goes to script. 

Get Clarry right and we're in with a show.

Don't know why, but the title is doing my head in lol

 

  On 23/05/2023 at 22:25, Dee Zephyr said:

Don't know why, but the title is doing my head in lol

 

Is it because you keep expecting it to be updated? 🙂

  On 23/05/2023 at 22:29, layzie said:

Is it because you keep expecting it to be updated? 🙂

That is it.

The language is really confusing in regards to his hammy.

In Goody's presser today, on the one hand he confirms it's only a minor strain, but then he says "we hope it's not long term but we'll just have to wait and see."

Would be a lot more comforting if he was listed as 3-4 weeks as opposed to indefinite. 

  On 24/05/2023 at 04:25, Bring-Back-Powell said:

The language is really confusing in regards to his hammy.

In Goody's presser today, on the one hand he confirms it's only a minor strain, but then he says "we hope it's not long term but we'll just have to wait and see."

Would be a lot more comforting if he was listed as 3-4 weeks as opposed to indefinite. 

Makes little difference as it is what it is ( or will be) Think  they know how good Clarry  is at getting his body right agsin. 
I have a feeling he will play on the KB game most likely or even Blues on 2 June if all goes well. 

  On 22/05/2023 at 23:55, Jaded No More said:

I know he’s our best and most important player, but you’d hate to rush him for the KB game, which is a probable loss  anyway, and have him do a serious injury and miss the rest of the season. Seems not worth it!

Your now predicting injury Jaded? 
Let us Just let Clarry do his best to get fit and have him back in then when he is ready. 
 

  On 24/05/2023 at 04:38, 58er said:

Makes little difference as it is what it is ( or will be) Think  they know how good Clarry  is at getting his body right agsin. 
I have a feeling he will play on the KB game most likely or even Blues on 2 June if all goes well. 

That's what I'm thinking. Out for Freo then wait and see but likely return for KB. 

Edited May 24, 20231 yr by layzie

My mail (which is a good source) says it will be 4 weeks. 

  On 24/05/2023 at 07:12, Fat Tony said:

My mail (which is a good source) says it will be 4 weeks. 

That would seem logical

  On 24/05/2023 at 07:12, Fat Tony said:

My mail (which is a good source) says it will be 4 weeks. 

Hopefully the 4 weeks includes the bye, and then back for Geelong on 22 June.

I’m actually really looking forward to Sparrow’s next month of footy. Huge opportunity for him to show his wares.

Injury List: Round 12

Clayton Oliver - Hamstring | TBC

Luke Dunstan - Knee | 1 - 2 Weeks

Harry Petty - Foot | 2 - 3 Weeks

Kye Turner - Groin | 3 - 4 Weeks

Will Verrall - Pelvis | 3 - 4 Weeks

Unavailable List: Round 12

Clayton Oliver - Hamstring | TBC

Tom McDonald- Ankle  TBC 

Michael Hibberd - managed TBC

Jake Melksham- VFL Suspension- 1 week

Luke Dunstan - Knee | 1 - 2 Weeks

Harry Petty - Foot | 2 - 3 Weeks

Kye Turner - Groin | 3 - 4 Weeks

Will Verrall - Pelvis | 3 - 4 Weeks

Edited June 1, 20231 yr by spirit of norm smith
Xx

Oh boy

Assume an ankle arthroscopy? 

Looks like a substantial bit of bone. Not nice to have in ones ankle and may explain his lack of mobility.