1 minute ago, WalkingCivilWar said:

Depeche Mode = 🤌 ⭐️ 💛 

I was a huge Rammstein fan back in the day and my fave song was “Stripped” which I later discovered was a Depeche Mode song. Respect. 

I saw Rammstein live at the Big Day Out about 10 years ago. Now that was a show! Iggy Pop and Tool played the same show, unbelievable.

Just now, Dr. Gonzo said:

I saw Rammstein live at the Big Day Out about 10 years ago. Now that was a show! Iggy Pop and Tool played the same show, unbelievable.

I saw them there too! Awesome experience. The Big Day Out had some incredible acts… unforgettable. 

Call me old fashioned but I like both types of music, country & western.

17 minutes ago, doc roet said:

Call me old fashioned but I like both types of music, country & western.

“That ain’t no Hank Williams Toon…!”

1 hour ago, Engorged Onion said:

You can see there is a difference in that statement though

I appreciate that many other people find them super important - including one of my personal favourites and the influence on his career and life Paul Weller, however me personally, The Beatles are tepid, middling and uninteresting ... and I've tried.

Blackbird is bloody cool though...

Prefer Nick  Drake... but maybe cause I'm miserable :)

I don’t want to hijack the metalfest that is this thread, but I feel like I need to point out that The Beatles only appear ‘tepid, middling and uninteresting’ because everything they did has been regurgitated by those with less talent for 60 years.

In the context of what popular music was when they started as a band, and what they helped turn it into, I think it’s hard to fathom their creative growth.

Also Paul Weller is a boss. Moving from The Jam to The Style Council was amazingly brave at the time. He’s a pure artist.

4 minutes ago, The heart beats true said:

I don’t want to hijack the metalfest that is this thread, but I feel like I need to point out that The Beatles only appear ‘tepid, middling and uninteresting’ because everything they did has been regurgitated by those with less talent for 60 years.

In the context of what popular music was when they started as a band, and what they helped turn it into, I think it’s hard to fathom their creative growth.

Also Paul Weller is a boss. Moving from The Jam to The Style Council was amazingly brave at the time. He’s a pure artist.

I produce records for a living and to hear somebody say that The Beatles are "uninteresting" is like a scientist being told that Galileo was a bit "samey".

8 hours ago, The heart beats true said:

I don’t want to hijack the metalfest that is this thread, but I feel like I need to point out that The Beatles only appear ‘tepid, middling and uninteresting’ because everything they did has been regurgitated by those with less talent for 60 years.

In the context of what popular music was when they started as a band, and what they helped turn it into, I think it’s hard to fathom their creative growth.

Also Paul Weller is a boss. Moving from The Jam to The Style Council was amazingly brave at the time. He’s a pure artist.

That's the thing though - seen in the context of their time vs compared to everything that came after. Part of my affection for certain artists (whether musical or otherwise) is valuing them in the context of the time and what they helped inspire. Not everyone sees things that way though, it's just about whether they like what they're viewing/experiencing at that moment and for some The Beatles don't hit that mark.

i must be really ancient

i still enjoy listening to the shadows instrumentals

9 hours ago, Mel Bourne said:

I produce records for a living and to hear somebody say that The Beatles are "uninteresting" is like a scientist being told that Galileo was a bit "samey".

Galileo?

 

Just to divert this thread even more, I miss the old album covers. The artwork in particular (although I also looked forward to detailed information such as who produced which tracks, who played which instruments and especially, when they were provided, the song lyrics). In my memory two of the three most iconic are Beatles' album covers (Sgt Peppers and Abbey Road), with the third being Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon. The Beatles also score bonus points for With the Beatles, their second LP, because it was really the first "artistic" album cover for a rock/pop band, even if it was just head shots of the Fab Four.

Hate the Beatles.

Yes, like Elvis, Queen etc etc they were pioneers but it doesn’t stop me from Wanting to shove skewers in my ears when they come on.

To those ever wanting to explore Rap, especially 80/90s 

I highly recommend Kool G Rap, Erik B and Rakim, Ghetto Boys ontop of the more known artists like Public Enemy, Ice T, NWA, Ice Cube etc

1 hour ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

Just to divert this thread even more, I miss the old album covers. The artwork in particular (although I also looked forward to detailed information such as who produced which tracks, who played which instruments and especially, when they were provided, the song lyrics). In my memory two of the three most iconic are Beatles' album covers (Sgt Peppers and Abbey Road), with the third being Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon. The Beatles also score bonus points for With the Beatles, their second LP, because it was really the first "artistic" album cover for a rock/pop band, even if it was just head shots of the Fab Four.

Still love holding my vinyl covers and admiring the art work, especially the Iron Maiden covers done by Riggs. Amazing.

32 minutes ago, Gorgoroth said:

To those ever wanting to explore Rap, especially 80/90s 

I highly recommend Kool G Rap, Erik B and Rakim, Ghetto Boys ontop of the more known artists like Public Enemy, Ice T, NWA, Ice Cube etc

Horrible brag time. I once worked on a project with Rakim, Ice T, Ice Cube, Wu Tang, and The Beastie Boys. Beasties were super shy. Ice T was really funny and easy to work with. Rakim was really chill, and Wu Tang was like a family reunion - as it was only 18 months after ODB died.

I also worked with Russell Simmons on the same project and to this day he’s the worst human I’ve ever met.

17 minutes ago, The heart beats true said:

Horrible brag time. I once worked on a project with Rakim, Ice T, Ice Cube, Wu Tang, and The Beastie Boys. Beasties were super shy. Ice T was really funny and easy to work with. Rakim was really chill, and Wu Tang was like a family reunion - as it was only 18 months after ODB died.

I also worked with Russell Simmons on the same project and to this day he’s the worst human I’ve ever met.

Quality name dropping.

14 minutes ago, Winners at last said:

Quality name dropping.

You are not wrong.

Add Guru, Eric B, KRS one, Jayz and Chuck D to that list and you pretty much have 80s and 90s hip hop royalty covered

(and of course you have to throw in Tupac and Biggie - i was never a huge fan of either, always thought Tupac was over rated, but perhaps that was more about being a teenager and and being quick to rush to judgment. I have been listening to Biggie a bit lately and revaluating that opinion - i like his pace and flow)

One the modern hip hop front Kendrick Lamer is an out an out genius and has already taken his place in hip hop royalty.

And i love Dave, an English rapper with brilliant flow, and deeply personal affecting lyrics (engorged onion, his break out album is called Psychodrama and is all about issues he explored with a therapist). Takes element of drill (production vibe mainly), some of the aesthetics of trip hop (pace mainly), a really interesting perspective and a brilliant rapping voice and mix them into a fantastic package.

My son is crazy into drill (having been schooled on hip hop from a young age), and whilst i like some of it, it is so relentlessly negative and bleak it is boring to listen to all the time.

Dave, who he put me onto is just about the only modern act we both really like - though i actually also really like Sheff G, another artist he put me onto. 

3 hours ago, daisycutter said:

i must be really ancient

i still enjoy listening to the shadows instrumentals

Well I’m a fan of Mario Lanza - not sure what that will add to the conversation though .

1 hour ago, The heart beats true said:

Horrible brag time. I once worked on a project with Rakim, Ice T, Ice Cube, Wu Tang, and The Beastie Boys. Beasties were super shy. Ice T was really funny and easy to work with. Rakim was really chill, and Wu Tang was like a family reunion - as it was only 18 months after ODB died.

I also worked with Russell Simmons on the same project and to this day he’s the worst human I’ve ever met.

That’s insane!!!

 

16 minutes ago, Bitter but optimistic said:

Well I’m a fan of Mario Lanza - not sure what that will add to the conversation though .

was he hip hop or black metal, uncle?

and remember tommy steele and lonnie donegan?  and nothing today even goes close to surpassing "purple people eater" or "itsy bitsy teeny weeny polka dot bikini".

1 minute ago, daisycutter said:

was he hip hop or black metal, uncle?

and remember tommy steele and lonnie donegan?  and nothing today even goes close to surpassing "purple people eater" or "itsy bitsy teeny weeny polka dot bikini".

"behind the green door" ?

7 minutes ago, Bitter but optimistic said:

"behind the green door" ?

hmmm, maybe......nah.....preferred the movie

1 hour ago, binman said:

You are not wrong.

Add Guru, Eric B, KRS one, Jayz and Chuck D to that list and you pretty much have 80s and 90s hip hop royalty covered

(and of course you have to throw in Tupac and Biggie - i was never a huge fan of either, always thought Tupac was over rated, but perhaps that was more about being a teenager and and being quick to rush to judgment. I have been listening to Biggie a bit lately and revaluating that opinion - i like his pace and flow)

One the modern hip hop front Kendrick Lamer is an out an out genius and has already taken his place in hip hop royalty.

And i love Dave, an English rapper with brilliant flow, and deeply personal affecting lyrics (engorged onion, his break out album is called Psychodrama and is all about issues he explored with a therapist). Takes element of drill (production vibe mainly), some of the aesthetics of trip hop (pace mainly), a really interesting perspective and a brilliant rapping voice and mix them into a fantastic package.

My son is crazy into drill (having been schooled on hip hop from a young age), and whilst i like some of it, it is so relentlessly negative and bleak it is boring to listen to all the time.

Dave, who he put me onto is just about the only modern act we both really like - though i actually also really like Sheff G, another artist he put me onto. 

I hated Tupac when I was younger but really like him now though I prefer his earlier stuff (2Pacalypse Now my favourite album) - he still has some great stuff later on but got too caught up in the East/West gangster rubbish.

Agree on Kendrick, haven't heard of Dave will have to give him a listen.

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58 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

was he hip hop or black metal, uncle?

and remember tommy steele and lonnie donegan?  and nothing today even goes close to surpassing "purple people eater" or "itsy bitsy teeny weeny polka dot bikini".

I think Mario Lanza fans are more likely to be the hip op generation rather than hip hop.

1 minute ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

I think Mario Lanza fans are more likely to be the hip op generation rather than hip hop.

POTT!

3 hours ago, The heart beats true said:

Horrible brag time. I once worked on a project with Rakim, Ice T, Ice Cube, Wu Tang, and The Beastie Boys. Beasties were super shy. Ice T was really funny and easy to work with. Rakim was really chill, and Wu Tang was like a family reunion - as it was only 18 months after ODB died.

I also worked with Russell Simmons on the same project and to this day he’s the worst human I’ve ever met.

Wow! What was the project?