10 minutes ago, old55 said:

Why would he do that? There would have to be extra $s for the extra years.

because if he doesnt do that he'll be out of the system in two years having wasted his time playing vfl 

Just now, Turner said:

because if he doesnt do that he'll be out of the system in two years having wasted his time playing vfl 

That doesn't make sense. Why would we want him for 4 years if that's the case?

22 minutes ago, Turner said:

if bowes is on 800k a year for 2 more years, surely we can say ok make it 400k 4 years and we'll do it. we can definitely fit that into the cap surely

GCS would def thought of that. And it would be the first thought in every club recruiter's mind

I'm wondering if the kid's body is shot or he's just not a best 22. Backended contract, maybe $1.6mill over final two years. Could be a simple as a club paying a lot money to buy pick 7 (which will end up being be at least 8) and have one list spot filled with a NQR Bowes

Edited September 26, 20222 yr by Stiff Arm

some talk that cats are going to get bowes and pick 7

so that'd be...

IN: pick 7, bowes, bruhn, henry
OUT: late first and second round picks

handy!

20 minutes ago, old55 said:

That doesn't make sense. Why would we want him for 4 years if that's the case?

no he'd be stuck at the suns still and whilst he probably plays games next year they clearly prioritise weller/budarick/powell for whatever reasons probably some being the fact they're on less coin and also probably because they havent expressed they wanna play as midfielders like apparently bowes has

17 minutes ago, Stiff Arm said:

GCS would def thought of that. And it would be the first thought in every club recruiter's mind

I'm wondering if the kid's body is shot or he's just not a best 22. Backended contract, maybe $1.6mill over final two years. Could be a simple as a club paying a lot money to buy pick 7 (which will end up being be at least 8) and have one list spot filled with a NQR Bowes

the suns see bowes as an asset they have plenty of and he's a player who will have suitors therefore they're prepared to offer his money out rather than smoothing it while other players who have less to offer other clubs or who they have less similar types to on their list they will smooth out. i think his body is fine he's only 24 he's only had one injury interrupted year and that was this year iirc

4 minutes ago, whatwhat say what said:

some talk that cats are going to get bowes and pick 7

so that'd be...

IN: pick 7, bowes, bruhn, henry
OUT: late first and second round picks

handy!

I’d hope Collingwood and GWS hold out for better picks, threaten to send at least one of those guys to North.
 

I doubt they’re getting pick 7 straight up regardless but somethings really fishy if the Cats find the room needed for Bowes. Might be the move that forces the AFL to finally dig in to that magical salary cap 

1 minute ago, Turner said:

no he'd be stuck at the suns still and whilst he probably plays games next year they clearly prioritise weller/budarick/powell for whatever reasons probably some being the fact they're on less coin and also probably because they havent expressed they wanna play as midfielders like apparently bowes has

the suns see bowes as an asset they have plenty of and he's a player who will have suitors therefore they're prepared to offer his money out rather than smoothing it while other players who have less to offer other clubs or who they have less similar types to on their list they will smooth out. i think his body is fine he's only 24 he's only had one injury interrupted year and that was this year iirc

So these interested clubs will offer him more total money over more years. There's no way he takes the same money over more years.

Just now, old55 said:

So these interested clubs will offer him more total money over more years. There's no way he takes the same money over more years.

same money over 4 years + 2 property portfolios

9 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

I doubt they’re getting pick 7 straight up regardless but somethings really fishy if the Cats find the room needed for Bowes. Might be the move that forces the AFL to finally dig in to that magical salary cap 

For starters, I'd like to know who paid for the hobby farms that Cameron, Hawkins and Stanley own just outside of Geelong city

But does anyone seriously think that the AFL want another SC debacle? They are too busy furiously sweeping the Hawthorn racism disclosure under the carpet. Transparency and accountability are looooooow on the AFLs priority list

Edited September 26, 20222 yr by Stiff Arm

3 minutes ago, Stiff Arm said:

For starters, I'd like to know who paid for the hobby farms that Cameron, Hawkins and Stanley own just outside of Geelong city

But does anyone seriously think that the AFL want another SC debacle? They are too busy furiously sweeping the Hawthorn racism disclosure under the carpet. Transparency and accountability are looooooow on the priority list

SHocking probably investigated his own handy work before setting the cats up with a dream fixture then driving back down the highway 

Ralphy tonight on OTC said Bowes was on about $550k for last 2 years of his contract.

Riewoldt asked if pick 7 was part of the deal and Ralphy said yes. He then said the Saints were not interested and Reiwoldt was furious.

If the deal is basically Bowes with pick 7 , to take over his contract and maybe a late pick back, I will also be furious.

How else, if we are not near the bottom and don't want to trade a star Dee, will we get a pick 7?

It is basically trading 29 year old Tomlinson for 24 year old Bowes and pick 7. Anyone on here against that?

4 hours ago, whatwhat say what said:

some talk that cats are going to get bowes and pick 7

so that'd be...

IN: pick 7, bowes, bruhn, henry
OUT: late first and second round picks

handy!

It’s been so long since Geel has been at the pointy end of the draft that they probably wouldn’t know what to do with pick 7… probably arrive late and miss the call 

5 minutes ago, Redleg said:

Ralphy tonight on OTC said Bowes was on about $550k for last 2 years of his contract.

Riewoldt asked if pick 7 was part of the deal and Ralphy said yes. He then said the Saints were not interested and Reiwoldt was furious.

If the deal is basically Bowes with pick 7 , to take over his contract and maybe a late pick back, I will also be furious.

How else, if we are not near the bottom and don't want to trade a star Dee, will we get a pick 7?

It is basically trading 29 year old Tomlinson for 24 year old Bowes and pick 7. Anyone on here against that?

Seems too good to be true. Perhaps Bowes has his issues?

7 minutes ago, Redleg said:

Ralphy tonight on OTC said Bowes was on about $550k for last 2 years of his contract.

Riewoldt asked if pick 7 was part of the deal and Ralphy said yes. He then said the Saints were not interested and Reiwoldt was furious.

If the deal is basically Bowes with pick 7 , to take over his contract and maybe a late pick back, I will also be furious.

How else, if we are not near the bottom and don't want to trade a star Dee, will we get a pick 7?

It is basically trading 29 year old Tomlinson for 24 year old Bowes and pick 7. Anyone on here against that?

It depends if we have other targets. But taking on a NQR just to get pick 7 is essentially taking on a list clogger and hoping you hit pick 7. It's a brave new world, I guess.

Edited September 26, 20222 yr by A F

13 minutes ago, A F said:

It depends if we have other targets. But taking on a NQR just to get pick 7 is essentially taking on a list clogger and hoping you hit pick 7. It's a brave new world, I guess.

You think Bowes is a list clogger?

Let me suggest this: we let Hibbo at 33 in probably his last year go and replace him with Bowes at 24, plus one of the 7 best young players in the country.

Bowes is younger, taller and a better user of the ball than Hibbo.

If it meant having Bowes for one more year than Hibbo, to have pick 7, who could be a 12 year player for us, would you say no?

If Baker, Tomlinson and maybe even Melk went, you would be a mile ahead on salary cap room and have a player who is ahead of all of them and a possible, young, future good player as a bonus, from the draft.

Edited September 26, 20222 yr by Redleg

I don't know enough about Bowes to say one way or the other. 

But Hibbo for Bowes is not really an apt comparison as they don't play the same position.

The better comparison is Baker though and I'd be happy to get pick 7 and exchange Bowes for Baker without knowing anything about him.

The only question remains is how much salary cap space do we have?

If bringing Bowes in impacted us getting, say, Naughton, I'd be against it.

On 9/23/2022 at 12:15 AM, MadAsHell said:

Jackson to Fremantle.

Fremantle send Pick 13 to Filth and future 2nd Round Pick to Gold Coast.

Collingwood send Grundy to Melbourne.

Gold Coast send Bowes and Pick 7 to Melbourne with Freo picking up a large portion of Bowes contract.

Dees get Bowes, Grundy and Pick 7 for Jackson

Gold Coast get a future 2nd Round Pick and cap relief for Bowes and Pick 7.

Filth get Pick 13 for Grundy.

Freo get Jackson for Pick 13, Future 2nd Rounder and taking on part of Bowes contract?

If the Traloar deal is anything to go by we won’t have to trade much for Grundy 

7 hours ago, whatwhat say what said:

some talk that cats are going to get bowes and pick 7

so that'd be...

IN: pick 7, bowes, bruhn, henry
OUT: late first and second round picks

handy!

They are the type of club to jump on that. Reason why they don’t need to rebuild. 

8 hours ago, Redleg said:

It is basically trading 29 year old Tomlinson for 24 year old Bowes and pick 7. Anyone on here against that?

I’m not against it Red, but how do convince Bowes to come to us when his wish is to play midfield and how do you get Tomo to agree to move interstate again?

Deals like this are done months in advance, we aren’t getting Pick 7 which is all anyone really wants out of this deal.

8 hours ago, Redleg said:

Ralphy tonight on OTC said Bowes was on about $550k for last 2 years of his contract.

Heard yesterday on trade radio that it was around the 850k mark for next year (wasn’t said about final year but assuming it’s similar). Some very intriguing contracts at the suns, but imo to keep players, they did what they had to.  

8 hours ago, Deemac said:

If the Traloar deal is anything to go by we won’t have to trade much for Grundy 

we dont need to trade for Grundy in my view

They will give him away eventually

2 hours ago, grazman said:

I’m not against it Red, but how do convince Bowes to come to us when his wish is to play midfield and how do you get Tomo to agree to move interstate again?

Deals like this are done months in advance, we aren’t getting Pick 7 which is all anyone really wants out of this deal.

No Tomo goes to Dogs. In other words salary is swapped and we get younger player and 7.

I don’t think this deal was done months ago, as he is contracted and Suns just came up with the idea, but yes, you have to convince Bowes to come to you. Well someone is going to.

2 hours ago, The end is nigh said:

Heard yesterday on trade radio that it was around the 850k mark for next year (wasn’t said about final year but assuming it’s similar). Some very intriguing contracts at the suns, but imo to keep players, they did what they had to.  

Well if that’s true it does alter things.

Would it make sense for Freo to go after Bowes and then use pick 7 as part of the Jackson trade?

 

11 hours ago, Redleg said:

Ralphy tonight on OTC said Bowes was on about $550k for last 2 years of his contract.

Riewoldt asked if pick 7 was part of the deal and Ralphy said yes. He then said the Saints were not interested and Reiwoldt was furious.

If the deal is basically Bowes with pick 7 , to take over his contract and maybe a late pick back, I will also be furious.

How else, if we are not near the bottom and don't want to trade a star Dee, will we get a pick 7?

It is basically trading 29 year old Tomlinson for 24 year old Bowes and pick 7. Anyone on here against that?

Heard yesterday on radio he is on around 850K for last 2 years of his contract....Hence why the pick 7 involved....500K they would have every club trying to make it happen!!

*Sorry similar to another post i just saw.

Edited September 26, 20222 yr by NeveroddoreveN