5 minutes ago, Flower Magic said:

Anyone who went to the pre season game and witnessed Cripps absolutely destroy us would have seen that he had got his body right and was in for a huge season.

Yes 

Joel Selwood barely got a vote.

Jeremy Howe no votes.

Bont just got 10.

West coast 15 votes for the whole team. Pathetic 

 

1 minute ago, Glorious Day said:

My impression was the same. However, Neale actually got 29 possessions (2nd most on the field) and the highest AFL Fantasy Points on the ground (whatever that means).

Still, the game was set up in the 1st half and surely with an 11 goal lead at half time, Melbourne players should have been 3/2/1 in that game.

And Brayshaw nullified Neale, by running off him. Just no chance he deserved a vote. 
 

5 minutes ago, dees189227 said:

Doesn't come across as arrogant. Maybe we could have had him to speak to LJ about living in Melbourne and dealing with it

My heart bleeds NOT

3 minutes ago, 1964_2 said:

Agree. How much would it cost for an official investigation? 

Cripps would even acknowledge within himself that he did not deserve that. 

What a stitch-up. They even gave Neale 1 vote in the last game to make it appear closer. can think of 8-9 players that deserved a vote before Neale. 

Joke. 

We should all chip in 

I will say it again. I like Cripps. He’s a gun player and comes across well. I liked him saying that he had to work hard on public speaking. I think it’s admirable to show vulnerability  

I have no issues with him winning a Brownlow. I do have a real issue with him winning one when he very clearly should have been ineligible. 

Really there could have been another 5 who won and you would say fair enough, but effin Cripps should have been gone for 2 weeks, he left his bloody feet and chose to bump. Cripps is a very bloody good footballer, just not a Brownlow Medalist.

9 minutes ago, Flower Magic said:

Anyone who went to the pre season game and witnessed Cripps absolutely destroy us would have seen that he had got his body right and was in for a huge season.

Anyone who watched R21 vs Brisbane would know that he should have been ineligible 

There’s 2 big challenges for Clayton:

1. kick more goals and become more damaging with his disposals so that it’s undeniable he’s the best in the comp

2. get the umps on his side. Less back chat, less diving, less whatever it is he does to annoy them. He gets far fewer free kicks than he deserves and has consistently missed out on Brownlow votes 

AFL have Blood on their hands Disgraceful

Just now, DeeSpencer said:

There’s 2 big challenges for Clayton:

1. kick more goals and become more damaging with his disposals so that it’s undeniable he’s the best in the comp

2. get the umps on his side. Less back chat, less diving, less whatever it is he does to annoy them. He gets far fewer free kicks than he deserves and has consistently missed out on Brownlow votes 

3. The people that don’t know footy as well (umpires) tend to favour Trac over Oliver in games when they both play well. Don’t get me wrong, I love Trac, and know he is a gun. But I feel umpires/media slightly over-value Trac, and slightly under-value Clarry. 
 

I like the Brownlow on a Sunday night 

59 minutes ago, layzie said:

I'm sick of this stupid award. Midfielders and popularity contests all round. Cripps should have been rubbed out, Ah Chee was concussed. WHAT A JOKE 

The AFL/VFL circus commenced many moons ago IMV Layzie when it refused to rotate the Country Zones which they set up in early 1969 using a lottery system.

Even though further 'rotation lotteries' every three years had been agreed to prior.

All downhill and "fixed" in various ways to produce 'preferred' outcomes thereafter.

The rorting has continued on its merry way ever since.

The ability for the best players to somehow find their way to clubs that have played finals and/or won a premiership (or more) in the year/s prior to them coming across just another example of how the system is far from kosher.

Edited September 18, 20222 yr by Demon Dynasty

27 minutes ago, roy11 said:

Was good seeing Jeremy Cameron poll well. Not meaning to be pro-cat just pro-votes for non-midfielders aha

Agree. Him and Shai Bolton are arguably the 2 most dynamic, game changing players that aren’t midfielders.

Well, Oliver is still on target to have the most career Brownlow votes of anyone ever, so that's okay.

15 minutes ago, 1964_2 said:

3. The people that don’t know footy as well (umpires) tend to favour Trac over Oliver in games when they both play well. Don’t get me wrong, I love Trac, and know he is a gun. But I feel umpires/media slightly over-value Trac, and slightly under-value Clarry. 
 

Agreed - Oliver's year this year was miles ahead of Trac's - certainly moreso than their Brownlow polling this year suggests.

19 minutes ago, 1964_2 said:

3. The people that don’t know footy as well (umpires) tend to favour Trac over Oliver in games when they both play well. Don’t get me wrong, I love Trac, and know he is a gun. But I feel umpires/media slightly over-value Trac, and slightly under-value Clarry. 
 

True, but Petracca kicks goals (or points) or set them up directly with his kicking. The umps often like a bit of flash 

22 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

I will say it again. I like Cripps. He’s a gun player and comes across well. I liked him saying that he had to work hard on public speaking. I think it’s admirable to show vulnerability  

I have no issues with him winning a Brownlow. I do have a real issue with him winning one when he very clearly should have been ineligible. 

Exactly, he's a true professional and his career is worthy of a Brownlow but this one doesn't sit 100% right 

3 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

True, but Petracca kicks goals (or points) or set them up directly with his kicking. The umps often like a bit of flash 

Which is why we should care more about the coaches award, and not the umpires award. 
 

26 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

There’s 2 big challenges for Clayton:

1. kick more goals and become more damaging with his disposals so that it’s undeniable he’s the best in the comp

2. get the umps on his side. Less back chat, less diving, less whatever it is he does to annoy them. He gets far fewer free kicks than he deserves and has consistently missed out on Brownlow votes 

He was a couple of votes from winning and played the second half of the year with a broken thumb… cool your jets 

33 minutes ago, 1964_2 said:

And Brayshaw nullified Neale, by running off him. Just no chance he deserved a vote. 
 

Neale got so many of his touches in junk time 

I just don't know if the umpires really know how to run a medal award.

The Brownlow is not given to the best player of the year

its given to the best midfielder in a team that does not have other great midfielders. Eg Cripps, Neale, Wines, Priddis

i really don’t understand the prestige around this award. Coaches award is a way more prestigious award imo

We just need to stop caring about it. Vote with your remote controls

7 minutes ago, 1964_2 said:

Which is why we should care more about the coaches award, and not the umpires award. 
 

I actually think if the coaches votes weren’t disclosed until the end of the year it would easily surpass the Brownlow in terms of interest and creditability. It’s only the suspense that makes it a spectacle.

Who thinks the umpires are the best judge of the game anyway? They aren’t watching it - because of the pace of the game they are always trying to work to the next position to get the best perspective on infringements.

It seems strange we ask them to vote when the AFL goes out of their way to try and make them invisible.